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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8462
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Nermal wrote: »
    Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

    Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

    Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

    Easy knowing you aren't in an at risk group. I'm in an at risk group, being pregnant. I'm no more likely to get it than a non pregnant woman, but if I do, the consequences for me and my unborn child could be dire, including harm to the baby if I have a fever, and harm or death to me if I contract pneumonia.


  • #8463
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Nermal wrote: »
    Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

    Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

    Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

    People work hard to provide for their families. So most economic activity is also driven by emotion.

    Your attitude is basically "everyman for himself so long as I'm alright that's the main thing". Thankfully the vast majority don't share this point of view.

    This is not just about emotion. As others have pointed out it is in no-one's interest to clog up the health service, that affects everyone from someone who suffers a heart attack to a pregnant woman having a baby.

    Economies have recovered from the Great Depression, two world wars, etc. and come back stronger than ever.


  • #8464
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    pH wrote: »
    Yea, but what does he know ;)
    https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1240171876695117824

    Expertise of the disease doesn't correlate with contracting it. Disappointing to see too. We don't want experts/healthcare professionals getting sick at this time.


  • #8465
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    On hold 12 mins on the HSE helpline. Home help arrived in to my Dad this morning and informed me they will not be issued with any ppe beyond the gloves they always have. No masks, no sanitising hand gel, no disposable apron. The nature of their work means they cannot maintain physical distance and they are going from house to house all day. I am absolutely raging that they, their clients and any vulnerable people in their families are being put are risk in this way. 16 mins on hold now...

    No point in contacting the hse covid helpline it's only for people with symptoms as far as I know.


  • #8466
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    ok, so layoffs are inevitable in my place, at least temporarily. We are reviewing it week by week but in the meantime we are going to try pay people their €203 euro a week social welfare to get them paid and keep them out of dole offices

    What is the procedure for this, I have downloaded the social welfare 1 page form that Regina O Doherty announced but what do we do? I also think this is the wrong form to be honest, is there a special one for when employers are paying the €203 so we can claim it back??

    Specific details haven't been announced yet
    “Where employers, who have to cease trading because of the impact of social distancing, continue to pay workers they will be able to claim refunds from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. A temporary refund scheme is being established for this purpose. This refund will be for €203 per worker per week. This means that workers retain their link with employers and there is no need for them personally to submit a jobseekers claim.”

    The Minister explained that refunds will take some time to process but in the meantime the Banks will provide working capital finance in the form of overdrafts or short-term loans to cover costs.
    https://www.gov.ie/en/news/965011-covid-19-introduction-of-simplified-unemployment-payments-for-employ/


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  • #8467
    jamesf85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭jamesf85


    How many people are unemployed now?

    How does this look for the world economy if it continues for 2-3 months?

    Will the EU have funds to bail countries like Ireland out? If so how? If not why?


  • #8468
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ironingbored wrote: »
    Surely Italy has suffered enough!

    'Sing across rooftops': Bono writes coronavirus song dedicated to Italy

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/bono-coronavirus-song-italy-let-your-love-be-known

    Here, as I said to many others posting similar, leave the Irish begrudgery nonsense aside for once!

    It's a song, trying to lift people's spirits, like every other person who has a guitar playing on FB live or something!

    It's not a crime!


  • #8469
    Mehan2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 ✭Mehan2000


    Anyone else think it’s bull that the virus won’t spread during the Summer because of the heat yet in Brazil and Egypt and the likes it’s spreading like wildfire.


  • #8470
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

    Hey jonny,

    We have been posting on the dance music forum for many years now, but he had to say it.

    A lot of people are not taking this seriously either because they cant understand how its going to play out or they don’t want to believe it.

    He needed to focus people minds to the reality of where we are going to be this time next week.

    I have to be honest, my respect for the man has gone up a few notches, I wouldn’t have given him any time before the election, but I think he was pretty decent last night, a little bit wooden, but said what needed to be said.

    Respect, peace and stay safe man.


  • #8471
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is a lot of fear out there at the moment, which is understandable. But do remember,

    1) People saying that 2m or more Irish will get it is just pure speculation at this point. There is just over 200000 cases in the whole world at the moment. New cases have dropped in China and Italy seems to be possibly levelling off now.

    2) If 2m Irish do get it, you still have less than 50% chance of getting it.

    3) If you do get it, it’s fairly mild for up to 90% of people. Even when it’s serious, you can still make a recovery with hospital treatment.

    The numbers are very much on your side.
    The best thing to do is try to stay isolated, particularly if you’re elder or have poor health.

    What are you doing in here with your common sense and optimism?! Do you not know this is where dreams come to die :D:D


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  • #8472
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Nermal wrote: »
    Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

    Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

    Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

    I'm not so sure that telling the 1 in 5 people that would have required hospitalisation due to covid to just die at home instead would be good for the economy.

    In fact society would almost certainly collapse and it would end up costing us everything.

    Back to the drawing board, Nermal


  • #8473
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Loads of Cheltenham goers showing symptoms in England.

    from the 'source' Daily Mirror
    A number of punters


  • #8474
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

    Do you want him to pull a Boris/Trump and pretend it isnt a problem and people need to go about their lives like normal and put everyone in danger?

    Given that Ireland hasn't been hit hard yet. I think Leo's speech was near perfect.

    It had a simple message. "Dont panic, Just take it seriously. Its coming and its going to suuuuck"


  • #8475
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is a lot of fear out there at the moment, which is understandable. But do remember,

    1) People saying that 2m or more Irish will get it is just pure speculation at this point. There is just over 200000 cases in the whole world at the moment. New cases have dropped in China and Italy seems to be possibly levelling off now.

    2) If 2m Irish do get it, you still have less than 50% chance of getting it.

    3) If you do get it, it’s fairly mild for up to 90% 80% of people. Even when it’s serious, you can still make a recovery with hospital treatment.

    The numbers are very much on your side.
    The best thing to do is try to stay isolated, particularly if you’re elder or have poor health.

    Corrected that for you.


  • #8476
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Hey jonny,

    We have been posting on the dance music forum for many years now, but he had to say it.

    A lot of people are not taking this seriously either because they cant understand how its going to play out or they don’t want to believe it.

    He needed to focus people minds to the reality of where we are going to be this time next week.

    I have to be honest, my respect for the man has gone up a few notches, I wouldn’t have given him any time before the election, but I think he was pretty decent last night, a little bit wooden, but said what needed to be said.

    Respect, peace and stay safe man.

    hey mate i dont be on here much anymore.

    no my opinion of him has got even worse, he might fool some but most cant see through his crocodile tears, imagine saying the calm before the storm peoples anxiety going into overdrive hearing that instead of reassuring them.


  • #8477
    BigMo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭BigMo1


    Mehan2000 wrote: »
    Anyone else think it’s bull that the virus won’t spread during the Summer because of the heat yet in Brazil and Egypt and the likes it’s spreading like wildfire.

    The rates of spreading seem to be slower in warmer climates.


  • #8478
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mehan2000 wrote: »
    Anyone else think it’s bull that the virus won’t spread during the Summer because of the heat yet in Brazil and Egypt and the likes it’s spreading like wildfire.

    This article discusses that https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-australia-summer-warm-weather-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

    New viruses don’t seem to be affected by hot temperatures.


  • #8479
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Graham wrote: »
    from the 'source' Daily Mirror

    Article is twaddle


  • #8480
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    solidasarock wrote: »
    Do you want him to pull a Boris/Trump and pretend it isnt a problem and people need to go about their lives like normal and put everyone in danger?

    Given that Ireland hasn't been hit hard yet. I think Leo's speech was near perfect.

    It had a simple message. "Dont panic, Just take it seriously. Its coming and its going to suuuuck"

    Exactly people need a kick in the ass
    A good Wake up call really needed


  • #8481
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Whatever anyone says regarding lives v economy - a shutdown for 18 months just won't be sustainable ...


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  • #8482
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ironingbored wrote: »
    Surely Italy has suffered enough!

    'Sing across rooftops': Bono writes coronavirus song dedicated to Italy

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/bono-coronavirus-song-italy-let-your-love-be-known

    Is he also going to write a songs for Ireland, Spain, Germany, France, USA, Iran....????


  • #8483
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    hey mate i dont be on here much anymore.

    no my opinion of him has got even worse, he might fool some but most cant see through his crocodile tears, imagine saying the calm before the storm peoples anxiety going into overdrive hearing that instead of reassuring them.

    stay safe man and try and not let your anxiety rise to much, see my post from couple pages back.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112870935&postcount=8475


  • #8484
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

    I think the point he was trying to make is that the numbers will rise drastically in the next week or so...which they will and we already know will be the case.
    What did you think he meant?
    He said what had to be said, delivered it well and is doing a very good impression of someone who sees this as a major medical issue, instead of a political or border or popularity issue...which as a doctor, he is first and foremost trained to do.
    If he hadn't said it as it is, people would be here in a few days saying he lied to us.There is no winning in this, it's not a point scoring game.
    And it is not forever either.


  • #8485
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    hey mate i dont be on here much anymore.

    no my opinion of him has got even worse, he might fool some but most cant see through his crocodile tears, imagine saying the calm before the storm peoples anxiety going into overdrive hearing that instead of reassuring them.

    He'd be mostly concerned with his own image in all of this

    That snake MM yapping on about covid19 yesterday, I'd say he's spending 90% of his time concerned about FF in all this


  • #8486
    Tomrota
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Tomrota


    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/derry-school-with-suspected-case-of-covid-19-not-allowed-to-close-1.4205388%3fmode=amp

    Do people really think it’s wise to keep the border open with the UK? I mean, they’re literally still deciding policy for us. They decided not to take part in the EU travel ban so we’re not. It’s disgraceful.


  • #8487
    dummy_crusher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭dummy_crusher


    Syncpolice wrote: »
    Article is twaddle

    "From our 5 minutes looking at Twitter, we have deduced that..."


  • #8488
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is he also going to write a songs for Ireland, Spain, Germany, France, USA, Iran....????

    Please dont give him ideas


  • #8489
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    How many people are unemployed now?

    How does this look for the world economy if it continues for 2-3 months?

    Will the EU have funds to bail countries like Ireland out? If so how? If not why?

    Answers :

    Lots.
    Really bad
    Who the Fcuk knows?

    This is an hour to hour reactionary situation - try and continue with the lives of yourself and your loved ones through the next few days, before worrying about the long term future .... like next week.


  • #8490
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whatever anyone says regarding lives v economy - a shutdown for 18 months just won't be sustainable ...

    The Chinese lockdown is being lifted after 1 month and 3 weeks.
    The Italians have only been locked down for about 10 days.
    The rolling 24 hour news coverage, social media et al, is amplifying the entire thing making it seem like forever.
    The country will not be shut down for 18 months.


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  • #8491
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

    Go away you f**king snowflake. People have to realise what we are all dealing with, now and for the foreseeable. No point in sugar-coating it. Suck it up, & abide by the recommendations.


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