CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

shesty · 18-03-2020 10:03AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/crash-course-in-critical-thinking-required-in-desperate-times-1.4205194

It would be great if people read and took note.

893bet · 18-03-2020 10:04AM

Nermal wrote: »

Losing 0.6% of the population is preferable to 18 months of economic destruction waiting for a vaccine.

Comparing the US losing 2M people to a war or a holocaust is nonsensical, 2.6M people die every year there in a normal year - do we say there's 'half a holocaust' happening each year?

We are letting emotion rule our decision-making.

It will be a lot more than 0.6 percent if it’s left run it’s “natural” course.

Hospitals full in a month.

If you have a heart attack at that point-tough
A stroke? Sorry hospital full mate.
Cancer- ah your are ****ed aswell.

The economy will bounce back.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 18-03-2020 10:06AM

Ok everyone, so far on this thread I have been just posting my views, I want to inject a little security into peoples minds.

I happen to work at management level for a food company that supplies 40% of chicken on the island, we have robust contingency plans in place and adaptation of our production processes worked out to ensure there will never be a shortage of supply.

Discussions have been had at government level about the security of the supply chain to ensure the business keeps going and I know the same has been had in our competitor companies.

Between a few major indigenous Irish companies we have the ability if the very worst case scenarios play out to supply food onto Irish shelves that will see the population get by albeit it would have to be with government intervention to ensure rationing of product.

stay safe and positive all.

Nermal · 18-03-2020 10:07AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Economic activity will eventually recover.

You can't recover a dead person particularly a dead parent.

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

Rob A. Bank · 18-03-2020 10:07AM

Nermal wrote: »

Losing 0.6% of the population is preferable to 18 months of economic destruction waiting for a vaccine.

Comparing the US losing 2M people to a war or a holocaust is nonsensical, 2.6M people die every year there in a normal year - do we say there's 'half a holocaust' happening each year?

We are letting emotion rule our decision-making.

Is this the new version of “Shure, it’s only the flu” or the “This is all being overblown by panic merchants” from the first Covid-19 thread ?

And did you steal your first sentence from the movie Shreck ?

Rob A. Bank · 18-03-2020 10:09AM

Nermal wrote: »

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

So how much is your life worth, pray tell ?

Cork Boy 53 · 18-03-2020 10:09AM

Nermal wrote: »

Losing 0.6% of the population is preferable to 18 months of economic destruction waiting for a vaccine.

Comparing the US losing 2M people to a war or a holocaust is nonsensical, 2.6M people die every year there in a normal year - do we say there's 'half a holocaust' happening each year?

We are letting emotion rule our decision-making.

Didn`t know you had a boards account Boris.

18-03-2020 10:09AM

There is a lot of fear out there at the moment, which is understandable. But do remember,

1) People saying that 2m or more Irish will get it is just pure speculation at this point. There is just over 200000 cases in the whole world at the moment. New cases have dropped in China and Italy seems to be possibly levelling off now.

2) If 2m Irish do get it, you still have less than 50% chance of getting it.

3) If you do get it, it’s fairly mild for up to 90% of people. Even when it’s serious, you can still make a recovery with hospital treatment.

The numbers are very much on your side.
The best thing to do is try to stay isolated, particularly if you’re elder or have poor health.

Tom Mann Centuria · 18-03-2020 10:09AM

Chelsea letting NHS staff from the area hospitals to stay in their hotel for free.

https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1240216826740695041?s=20

otnomart · 18-03-2020 10:10AM

darjeeling wrote: »

Since that post the Cork sequence has vanished from the nextstrain website - looks like someone may have uploaded the wrong sequence.
The rest of the post still stands, though it's a bit weird to see so many thanks for an attempt at explaining phylogenetic trees. There's no accounting for taste.

Thanks !

Wonder what happened to the Cork - Wuhan sequence !

So the three Irish cases are as follows (please correct me if I am wrong):
-the Dublin one was originated via contact with the Netherlands and/or Bavaria (via Italy)

-one from Limerick was originated via England and/or the Netherlands

-second one from Limerick is 100% from the Netherlands

https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_country=Ireland&f_division=Dublin,Limerick

ironingbored · 18-03-2020 10:11AM

Surely Italy has suffered enough!

'Sing across rooftops': Bono writes coronavirus song dedicated to Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/bono-coronavirus-song-italy-let-your-love-be-known

Syncpolice · 18-03-2020 10:11AM

Cw85 wrote: »

Carlow town is like a ghost town this morning, every shop is closed, apart from Subway. People sitting beside each other in there, madness

Comical

I seen that supermacs offered free food to ES personnel as a stunt

Sure all they're doing is spreading the virus, no sign of them following McDonalds lead at all, business first

Sardonicat · 18-03-2020 10:13AM

No official recommendations from HSE re ppeople for home helps! Tried to fob me off with contacting my public health nurse who 'might know something different.' I pointed out that as there were no official guidelines what could she know? Have contacted my td. Will be call the home help office for the official stance then going public

Official message from the state: Protect our elderly and chronically ill.

Official action: Send in walking petri dishes to them to deliver their care .

jonnny68 · 18-03-2020 10:13AM

Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

dummy_crusher · 18-03-2020 10:13AM

Nermal wrote: »

Losing 0.6% of the population is preferable to 18 months of economic destruction waiting for a vaccine.

Comparing the US losing 2M people to a war or a holocaust is nonsensical, 2.6M people die every year there in a normal year - do we say there's 'half a holocaust' happening each year?

We are letting emotion rule our decision-making.

2.8M deaths in 2017, ~75% of those were attributed to 10 causes.

So, 2M deaths attributed to one cause is quite significant...

I don't necessarily agree with the holocaust comparison either, but it does put it into the perspective of "number of deaths due to a single cause".

Cw85 · 18-03-2020 10:13AM

Syncpolice wrote: »

Comical

I seen that supermacs offered free food to ES personnel as a stunt

Sure all they're doing is spreading the virus, no sign of them following McDonalds lead at all, business first

There will always be the few that want to keep making money for as long as possible.

Antares35 · 18-03-2020 10:14AM

Nermal wrote: »

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

Easy knowing you aren't in an at risk group. I'm in an at risk group, being pregnant. I'm no more likely to get it than a non pregnant woman, but if I do, the consequences for me and my unborn child could be dire, including harm to the baby if I have a fever, and harm or death to me if I contract pneumonia.

tobefrank321 · 18-03-2020 10:15AM

Nermal wrote: »

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

People work hard to provide for their families. So most economic activity is also driven by emotion.

Your attitude is basically "everyman for himself so long as I'm alright that's the main thing". Thankfully the vast majority don't share this point of view.

This is not just about emotion. As others have pointed out it is in no-one's interest to clog up the health service, that affects everyone from someone who suffers a heart attack to a pregnant woman having a baby.

Economies have recovered from the Great Depression, two world wars, etc. and come back stronger than ever.

wadacrack · 18-03-2020 10:15AM

pH wrote: »

Yea, but what does he know
https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1240171876695117824

Expertise of the disease doesn't correlate with contracting it. Disappointing to see too. We don't want experts/healthcare professionals getting sick at this time.

stephenjmcd · 18-03-2020 10:15AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

On hold 12 mins on the HSE helpline. Home help arrived in to my Dad this morning and informed me they will not be issued with any ppe beyond the gloves they always have. No masks, no sanitising hand gel, no disposable apron. The nature of their work means they cannot maintain physical distance and they are going from house to house all day. I am absolutely raging that they, their clients and any vulnerable people in their families are being put are risk in this way. 16 mins on hold now...

No point in contacting the hse covid helpline it's only for people with symptoms as far as I know.

Graham · 18-03-2020 10:15AM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

ok, so layoffs are inevitable in my place, at least temporarily. We are reviewing it week by week but in the meantime we are going to try pay people their €203 euro a week social welfare to get them paid and keep them out of dole offices

What is the procedure for this, I have downloaded the social welfare 1 page form that Regina O Doherty announced but what do we do? I also think this is the wrong form to be honest, is there a special one for when employers are paying the €203 so we can claim it back??

Specific details haven't been announced yet

“Where employers, who have to cease trading because of the impact of social distancing, continue to pay workers they will be able to claim refunds from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. A temporary refund scheme is being established for this purpose. This refund will be for €203 per worker per week. This means that workers retain their link with employers and there is no need for them personally to submit a jobseekers claim.”

The Minister explained that refunds will take some time to process but in the meantime the Banks will provide working capital finance in the form of overdrafts or short-term loans to cover costs.

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/965011-covid-19-introduction-of-simplified-unemployment-payments-for-employ/

jamesf85 · 18-03-2020 10:16AM

How many people are unemployed now?

How does this look for the world economy if it continues for 2-3 months?

Will the EU have funds to bail countries like Ireland out? If so how? If not why?

MOR316 · 18-03-2020 10:16AM

ironingbored wrote: »

Surely Italy has suffered enough!

'Sing across rooftops': Bono writes coronavirus song dedicated to Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/bono-coronavirus-song-italy-let-your-love-be-known

Here, as I said to many others posting similar, leave the Irish begrudgery nonsense aside for once!

It's a song, trying to lift people's spirits, like every other person who has a guitar playing on FB live or something!

It's not a crime!

Mehan2000 · 18-03-2020 10:17AM

Anyone else think it’s bull that the virus won’t spread during the Summer because of the heat yet in Brazil and Egypt and the likes it’s spreading like wildfire.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 18-03-2020 10:17AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

Hey jonny,

We have been posting on the dance music forum for many years now, but he had to say it.

A lot of people are not taking this seriously either because they cant understand how its going to play out or they don’t want to believe it.

He needed to focus people minds to the reality of where we are going to be this time next week.

I have to be honest, my respect for the man has gone up a few notches, I wouldn’t have given him any time before the election, but I think he was pretty decent last night, a little bit wooden, but said what needed to be said.

Respect, peace and stay safe man.

Antares35 · 18-03-2020 10:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a lot of fear out there at the moment, which is understandable. But do remember,

1) People saying that 2m or more Irish will get it is just pure speculation at this point. There is just over 200000 cases in the whole world at the moment. New cases have dropped in China and Italy seems to be possibly levelling off now.

2) If 2m Irish do get it, you still have less than 50% chance of getting it.

3) If you do get it, it’s fairly mild for up to 90% of people. Even when it’s serious, you can still make a recovery with hospital treatment.

The numbers are very much on your side.
The best thing to do is try to stay isolated, particularly if you’re elder or have poor health.

What are you doing in here with your common sense and optimism?! Do you not know this is where dreams come to die

:D

gabeeg · 18-03-2020 10:18AM

Nermal wrote: »

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

I'm not so sure that telling the 1 in 5 people that would have required hospitalisation due to covid to just die at home instead would be good for the economy.

In fact society would almost certainly collapse and it would end up costing us everything.

Back to the drawing board, Nermal

Graham · 18-03-2020 10:19AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Loads of Cheltenham goers showing symptoms in England.

from the 'source' Daily Mirror

A number of punters

solidasarock · 18-03-2020 10:19AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

Leo Varadakar really needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying on national TV, the calm before the storm is he for fcuking real as if many people aren't already panicking and anxiety through the roof that was the single worst thing he could have possibly said live on TV and i see he's getting serious stick for it too, between him and that other parasatic bas**rd Michael Martin who only the other day suggested that a government should be formed ASAP to tackle this crisis, so hungry for power even with something as serious as this will do anything to get in.

Do you want him to pull a Boris/Trump and pretend it isnt a problem and people need to go about their lives like normal and put everyone in danger?

Given that Ireland hasn't been hit hard yet. I think Leo's speech was near perfect.

It had a simple message. "Dont panic, Just take it seriously. Its coming and its going to suuuuck"

Rob A. Bank · 18-03-2020 10:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a lot of fear out there at the moment, which is understandable. But do remember,

1) People saying that 2m or more Irish will get it is just pure speculation at this point. There is just over 200000 cases in the whole world at the moment. New cases have dropped in China and Italy seems to be possibly levelling off now.

2) If 2m Irish do get it, you still have less than 50% chance of getting it.

3) If you do get it, it’s fairly mild for up to 90% 80% of people. Even when it’s serious, you can still make a recovery with hospital treatment.

The numbers are very much on your side.
The best thing to do is try to stay isolated, particularly if you’re elder or have poor health.

Corrected that for you.

CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP