CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

Eric Cartman · 18-03-2020 01:11AM

Ursabear wrote: »

Surely this isn't legal :? Kicking ppl out of accomodation because of coronavirus fears of spread https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coronavirus-trinity-students-criticise-move-to-shut-campus-housing-1.4205145

Student accomodation, sending them back to their aul pair, not making them homeless

Kaisr Sose · 18-03-2020 01:12AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Varadkar’s speech was a bit like someone reading in a leaving cert English class who has been told to use more expression, very strange and not a lot of hard facts.

Addressing the Nation means you make your words suitsble for the widest possible audience, of differing education backgrounds and varied ages. No point in bombarding people with complex data amd scenario's when simple English conveys the message. . In that regard, it was well thought out and scripted, and appealed to a very wide audience, including to use your owb6 post, Leaving Cert English class.

forgodssake · 18-03-2020 01:12AM

Unpopular opinion alert

I think Leo spoke very well tonight . My main concern is for myself but my elderly parents also . I haven't seen my parents since last Friday , when normally I would see them several times a day. Tonight they both rang and said they felt relieved by what Leo had said.

Even if its horse **** .

It made my incredibly worried parents feel at ease for a time . So for that I am thankful.

Syncpolice · 18-03-2020 01:12AM

castletownman wrote: »

Maybe its my overly active brain keeping me awake, but an idea just occurred, although I have no clue whether it would be feasible.

We keep hearing about how stretched the health service (hospitals in particular) will get if the projected figure comes to pass. I was wondering would it feasible if those temporarily out of work, myself included, could be trained up to help out, be it carrying out basic medical treatment to the affected or even adminstering the swab test? Hazmat suits included of course.

Between community nurses, paramedics, army personnel etc. there surely would be enough expertise to carry a one-day course as a matter of urgency. Just doing a quick count of the towns and villages in my area too, it is easy to identify suitable buildings currently out of use that could become temporary wards (sports clubs, community halls, schools). Not every town and village are going to be stretched with confirmed cases.

Maybe I am too influenced by the community shelters that pop up in America after a severe natural disaster, and by the WW2 films with the trauma centres located anywhere they can, including churches, but if this is really going to get as apocalyptic as some fear, its a measure worth considering.

A 1 day medical degree type course?

Bit cynical · 18-03-2020 01:12AM

joeguevara wrote: »

If people followed official guidelines it is clear that only need to present to hospitals if symptoms become unbearable. But people are getting duped by fake WhatsApp and ‘from unknown sources’ and rocking up to hospitals and gps. A lot of the same people are then giving out about Leo speech even though it clearly outlined about social distancing.

At this stage even if you have it, nothing needs to be done unless breathing is restricted.

Though of course you should self-isolate and call your GP if you are experiencing the symptoms as outlined in the link below.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

bekker · 18-03-2020 01:14AM

65535 wrote: »

What an odd statement.
'Professional' TD's is exactly the reason they were voted against and can not form a government.

Unfortunately, the only skill set 'professional' TDs display are those relating to being re-elected.

Individually TDs posses a wide range of skills, and some much applicable life experience, but collectively they have only one skill arising from their 'profession'.

I actively supported the professionalisation of TDs which was an attempt to develop a more national perspective in Leinster House. It has been a total failure. The hoped for professional national interest outlook has degenerated into slicker parish pump politics with a transfer of power from local level to central office patronage, and a consequent disconnect from everyday realities.

Power once centralised is never relinquished

The possibly unconstitutional, party and leaders allowances have only reinforced this trend.

Ursabear · 18-03-2020 01:14AM

A lot of them are international students so not easy, and may not have the money to travel home. If I had a sibling in college I wouldn't want her moving back in with my older parents as they may put my parents in danger . One of the guys is on work placement as part of his studies and his parents are in Malaysia so he will have to extend his studies if this happens , I assume they would give him next year free as international student fees are very expensive

cloudatlas · 18-03-2020 01:15AM

castletownman wrote: »

Maybe its my overly active brain keeping me awake, but an idea just occurred, although I have no clue whether it would be feasible.

We keep hearing about how stretched the health service (hospitals in particular) will get if the projected figure comes to pass. I was wondering would it feasible if those temporarily out of work, myself included, could be trained up to help out, be it carrying out basic medical treatment to the affected or even adminstering the swab test? Hazmat suits included of course.

Between community nurses, paramedics, army personnel etc. there surely would be enough expertise to carry a one-day course as a matter of urgency. Just doing a quick count of the towns and villages in my area too, it is easy to identify suitable buildings currently out of use that could become temporary wards (sports clubs, community halls, schools). Not every town and village are going to be stretched with confirmed cases.

Maybe I am too influenced by the community shelters that pop up in America after a severe natural disaster, and by the WW2 films with the trauma centres located anywhere they can, including churches, but if this is really going to get as apocalyptic as some fear, its a measure worth considering.

University of Liverpool asked student doctors to volunteer as part of their placement. I think there would be legal issues if ransoms started treating and testing.

Ursabear · 18-03-2020 01:15AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Student accomodation, sending them back to their aul pair, not making them homeless

A lot of them are international students so not easy, and may not have the money to travel home. If I had a sibling in college I wouldn't want her moving back in with my older parents as they may put my parents in danger . One of the guys is on work placement as part of his studies and his parents are in Malaysia so he will have to extend his studies if this happens , I assume they would give him next year free as international student fees are very expensive

V8 Interceptor · 18-03-2020 01:15AM

Stheno wrote: »

Do we have direct flights to Iran or China? I dont believe we do

No. But is there a single place on the Planet that we've barred access to incl those?

cj maxx · 18-03-2020 01:16AM

While I understand Leo was speaking to people of different ages and education, to me it was powder puff. I wanted hard facts but we all have different views

murpho999 · 18-03-2020 01:17AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Airport still wide open to flights from all over the World incl France, Italy, Spain, China, Iran etc. No virus screening on entry whatsoever.

Yet Leo gives Paddy a pep talk and tells him to keep washing his hands because soon we'll have 15,000 infected.

Farce.

People coming off flights will not show signs of virus so no point in screening.

Can you explain how to stop Irish citizens from getting these flights home?

Did you not hear Simon Coveney that people from Spain etc need to get home by Thursday as flights will be grounded.

Really, it's about containment amongst the people here who have it not the same ting you're going on an on about and attacking politicians.

Also you sound xenophobic. Trump had the same approach with xednophobia, stopped all flights but the "Chinese virus" is still spreading.

joeguevara · 18-03-2020 01:17AM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Though of course you should call your GP if you are experiencing the symptoms as outlined in the link below.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

But the GP can only say take paracetamol and don’t go out. There is literally nothing else they can do. If symptoms become unbearable go to hospital. If not, stay at home. The big worry is people will arrive on mass to hospitals and even if we’re not infected, get infected there.

Eric Cartman · 18-03-2020 01:17AM

Ursabear wrote: »

A lot of them are international students so not easy, and may not have the money to travel home. If I had a sibling in college I wouldn't want her moving back in with my older parents as they may put my parents in danger . One of the guys is on work placement as part of his studies and his parents are in Malaysia so he will have to extend his studies if this happens , I assume they would give him next year free as international student fees are very expensive

This is an edge case scenario, probably 15-20 people total would be genuinely put out by this for whome im sure arrangements are being made, vast majority will be on the train back to mammy

fritzelly · 18-03-2020 01:18AM

cjmc wrote: »

While I understand Leo was speaking to people of different ages and education, to me it was powder puff. I wanted hard facts but we all have different views

Like what?

15000 confirmed by the end of the month
This is the lull before the storm
...
...

Quantum Erasure · 18-03-2020 01:20AM

perrito caliente wrote: »

In fairness, these threads with their self-pitying fearmongering have probably killed more people in Ireland than the virus has.

...so far

V8 Interceptor · 18-03-2020 01:21AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you explain how to stop Irish citizens from getting these flights home?

Why would you want to do that?

murpho999 wrote: »

Did you not hear Simon Coveney that people from Spain etc need to get home by Thursday as flights will be grounded.

Indeed I did, the moment after he said to expect 15k cases soon.

murpho999 wrote: »

Really, it's about containment amongst the people here who have it not the same ting you're going on an on about and attacking politicians.

What's the point if the whole World can still enter?

holyhead · 18-03-2020 01:22AM

People attacking Leo for not wearing a shamrock. People attacking him for reading a prepared script. Yes we should have been more proactive earlier but we are where we are. This is a national crisis of a scale hitherto unseen since WW2.

Woodsie1 · 18-03-2020 01:22AM

Video from a young Irish trucker from today,chats about the virus.
For a young fella hes got a decent head on his shoulders.

V8 Interceptor · 18-03-2020 01:23AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Also you sound xenophobic. Trump had the same approach with xednophobia, stopped all flights but the "Chinese virus" is still spreading.

What are you talking about? Is trying to protect your citizens xenophobic now?

Trump's actions no doubt has limited and slowed its spread. Good job. Pity our muppets have waited until the Country is riddled before they decide to limit incoming flights.

Maestro85 · 18-03-2020 01:23AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Airport still wide open to flights from all over the World incl France, Italy, Spain, China, Iran etc. No virus screening on entry whatsoever.

Yet Leo gives Paddy a pep talk and tells him to keep washing his hands because soon we'll have 15,000 infected.

Farce.

I work in a popular tourism spot (currently doing back office stuff and repair/upkeep) so keep coming into work for the moment and it is shocking the amount of Spanish, Asian and Americans that are still coming around. The place is closed yet they still visit, in their droves and I have zero contact with them but you can see them on site - even some hiring minibuses to get here (fml). I expect a major slump by the end of the month and it's likely most of my coworkers that aren't permanent will be out of work (let go) as the tourism industry implodes and fails to recover this year. When this "surge" hits I expect the gov will downplay what could have been don but I hope we learn to deal with this stuff better as it might happen again - meaning airport screenings and the like.

V8 Interceptor · 18-03-2020 01:25AM

holyhead wrote: »

People attacking Leo for not wearing a shamrock. People attacking him for reading a prepared script. Yes we should have been more proactive earlier but we are where we are. This is a national crisis of a scale hitherto unseen since WW2.

And the main reason for that?

holyhead · 18-03-2020 01:27AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

And the main reason for that?

It’s called corona virus ☹️

JP Liz V1 · 18-03-2020 01:30AM

Leo's cocooning idea is that what Boris was also proposing for the elderly

V8 Interceptor · 18-03-2020 01:31AM

holyhead wrote: »

It’s called corona virus ☹️

Given a Cead Mile Failte 6 weeks ago and still invited in unhindered!

Raconteuse · 18-03-2020 01:33AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Varadkar’s speech was a bit like someone reading in a leaving cert English class who has been told to use more expression, very strange and not a lot of hard facts.

How in the name of god was it strange? People really are in desperation to find fault with it.

forgodssake wrote: »

Unpopular opinion alert

I think Leo spoke very well tonight . My main concern is for myself but my elderly parents also . I haven't seen my parents since last Friday , when normally I would see them several times a day. Tonight they both rang and said they felt relieved by what Leo had said.

Even if its horse **** .

It made my incredibly worried parents feel at ease for a time . So for that I am thankful.

Don't know how it could be horse sh1t, but anyway, it's not an unpopular opinion. It's just a non "I must find non existent faults in it" opinion.

holyhead · 18-03-2020 01:33AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Given a Cead Mile Failte 6 weeks ago and still invited in unhindered!

Is it Leo’s fault thousands of Irish went to Cheltenham?? We as a people share culpability too not just the Govt.

bekker · 18-03-2020 01:34AM

castletownman wrote: »

Maybe its my overly active brain keeping me awake, but an idea just occurred, although I have no clue whether it would be feasible.

We keep hearing about how stretched the health service (hospitals in particular) will get if the projected figure comes to pass. I was wondering would it feasible if those temporarily out of work, myself included, could be trained up to help out, be it carrying out basic medical treatment to the affected or even adminstering the swab test? Hazmat suits included of course.

Between community nurses, paramedics, army personnel etc. there surely would be enough expertise to carry a one-day course as a matter of urgency. Just doing a quick count of the towns and villages in my area too, it is easy to identify suitable buildings currently out of use that could become temporary wards (sports clubs, community halls, schools). Not every town and village are going to be stretched with confirmed cases.

Maybe I am too influenced by the community shelters that pop up in America after a severe natural disaster, and by the WW2 films with the trauma centres located anywhere they can, including churches, but if this is really going to get as apocalyptic as some fear, its a measure worth considering.

The main constraint on expansion of the health services is trained personnel, not accommodation, or equipment (if willing to pay market prices).

There are very valid arguments, and currently legal constraints against your suggestion, but if the worst case scenarios come to pass, then just like the abandoning vaccine testing standards, all constraints will be out the window.

If doctors have to triage into treat, or leave, then losing 8 out of 10 to inexperience/lncompetence is a bonus over 10 of 10 with no treatment at all. Many suffers might prefer the massive pain-killer dose.

Rjd2 · 18-03-2020 01:34AM

Was working remote for a few days and keeping myself to myself, but back in the office tomorrow.:(
I have those surgical maps from a few years ago,,,a "banter" birthday present.

While I know they don't stop you getting it, in the unlikely event of me having picked it up recently,,would it be worth wearing for everyone's benefit? Its an office,,,I have no symptoms .

Raconteuse · 18-03-2020 01:36AM

The pretending that it wasn't taken seriously is amazing. Doublethink of an Orwellian level.

There was literally a big deal made as soon as it was known people were returning from skiing in Italy.

Was a lockdown really feasible at that stage? Of course it bloody well wasn't.

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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP