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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #5312
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotshots85 wrote: »
    What happens after social distancing? Do we get a jump in the curve again? If everyone’s tries to go back to normal are we back to square one?

    What have China done?
    Nothing. Social distancing is it. Complete lockdown is just a draconian version of it.


  • #5313
    Tuesday_Girl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Tuesday_Girl


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Are Netherlands still going with the herd immunity approach even after the UK pulled out?

    No, they closed all schools and colleges, creches, cafes, bars and restaurants since yesterday and until April 6 at least.


  • #5314
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I've posted a few times now about the UKs reaction to this as I live over here.

    Yesterday we had a meeting in work that was basically, "we're working here until the government says otherwise." The government then said, people should work from home where possible yesterday evening before we finished up for the day, we watched the press conference live in work too so nobody missed the news.

    Today, I'm the only person who didn't go into work and worked from home.

    I live directly across the road from a few bars and cafes, I've seen people go in and out of them all day and a lot of people just carrying on like its a regular day.

    I literally don't understand the thought process of a lot of Brits right now.

    Yeah, one of my best friends live in the UK. Her sister-in-law has CYSTIC FIBROSIS and took a trip to an English city this past weekend, going out to busy bars and restaurants. I could not believe it when I heard it. If she gets covid-19, she’d be in a bad way.


  • #5315
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    otnomart wrote: »
    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2020/03/17/lung-scans-covid-19-thirtysomethings-show-scary-picture/
    from Belgium
    Yes and people that have recovered show 20 and more percent less lung capacity.
    It's unknown if their capacity will improve in time through exercise, but it's presumed it will.
    They also show CT scans of 'frosted glass' throughout the lungs.


  • #5316
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    28 threads later :pac:

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • #5317
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    This won't go on for more than 4 weeks.

    Nope it will be significantly longer.

    6-8 weeks from Friday would be an optimistic guess. With increased restrictions over the next 1-2 weeks.


  • #5318
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The coming recession has the potential to kill more people than the virus.

    Don't go thinking about that too much though or you might get dizzy and fall off your high-horse.

    Pure sh**te.
    No infrastructure loss, no buildings destroyed.
    IT companies are booming at the mo trying to facilitate the work from home demand. This will only continue.

    The tourist industry and leisure pursuits will suffer temporarily but even now govs are pledging assistance and recovery packages.

    Yes there will be recession but after the crisis, people will very much appreciate and enjoy the good things in life, with a new appreciation of 'do it now'
    The economic bounce back will be immediate and fast.

    Stop your scaremongering it's simply not true.


  • #5319
    Duggie2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Duggie2012


    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?


  • #5320
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I've posted a few times now about the UKs reaction to this as I live over here.

    Yesterday we had a meeting in work that was basically, "we're working here until the government says otherwise." The government then said, people should work from home where possible yesterday evening before we finished up for the day, we watched the press conference live in work too so nobody missed the news.

    Today, I'm the only person who didn't go into work and worked from home.

    I live directly across the road from a few bars and cafes, I've seen people go in and out of them all day and a lot of people just carrying on like its a regular day.

    I literally don't understand the thought process of a lot of Brits right now.

    I think it's the sort of mentality that was bet into them with regard to terrorism, which was also a threat to them all. They were told to carry on as normal and not let it beat them. Not to let the terrorists win. To continue on doing the things they always did.

    The problem with a virus is you should do the complete opposite and stay away from each other and hide. You can't beat it by showing your not afraid of it and carrying on as normal.


  • #5321
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭threeball


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Nobody has a clue but personally I very much doubt much will of got better by then we can hope though

    We'll still be on the upslope by then, i don't think theres any question of that. 29th of march could become 29th april very quickly.


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  • #5322
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    I must say I was posting on a bit of a rant on earlier threads that the general attitude of the public was not great (putting it mildly), I was very much mistaken.

    The majority of people are actually making a great effort. Shops full of stock again this morning, I'd swear the guys in LIDL live there at this stage. More nods and hellos when out walking. The penny is dropping and hopefully we will get the rewards of it.

    I've said it before but the number of people in ICU is the metric. The numbers will increase because we are testing more.




    Fully Agree.



    I can't understand why people focus on the number of new cases as if it means anything. It just reflects the level of testing. The more new cases we see actually means we are detecting more and isolating them before they infect others.


    The only relevant metrics are - Seriously ill (ICU), and (sadly) deaths.


    The figure for ICU for Ireland (6) has not changed for 5 days so I am not sure how reliable it is.


    In time the recovery rate is also a good indicator.


  • #5323
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Duggie2012 wrote: »
    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #5324
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    threeball wrote: »
    You'll have caught it and gained natural immunity long before then. Thats the reality.

    Do you want to be the small percentage that doesn't make it through?


  • #5325
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    This, honestly, isn't good enough.
    For mortgages it's up to the lenders, what they offer varies, and credit ratings could be screwed.

    Nothing for renters.

    Special Dole for those who suddenly lost their jobs - but after 6 weeks its ordinary dole. Let's look at how much that is : minimum pay @39 hrs week = €393.9 gross, SW = €203 pw.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/what-are-the-options-if-i-can-t-pay-my-mortgage-1.4204063?fbclid=IwAR3Gl_AA_aYnfXYkHqE1Id9TlvbvZgOKwHRKz21NT9zgd4SLpWcfIsVv5rU

    Unless unilateral action on housing costs is taken there is a financial disaster coming quickly down the track for hundreds of thousands of people. Most people could scrape by on the dole, pay utility bills etc, but mortgages/rent - that will break people.


  • #5326
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    scamalert wrote: »
    sounds like you want to have your cake both ways, oh bad people are out, oh no because everything is closed we will be in far more trouble :confused: one either works as usual, or faces extreme reality no work no taxes people will be let go, someone will have to fork out massive payoffs and dole, as people wont have any income, not bad for those who save, but otherwise many will get fcked over, harsh but true, if virus wont do em any harm then economy will finish some harder then anything else.

    I will be honest I am just really starting to take in the reality and far reaching effects this is going to have on the entire world.

    I have been following this Virus since January when China was being hit hard trying to get people to face the reality of what was coming.
    Now that it is here I am shocked I guess part of me was wishing the IT"S ONLY A FLU MOB WAS RIGHT.

    We will have to rebuilt after this and I am guessing tourism hospitality and pubs will be a much smaller part of our economy.


  • #5327
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I was thinking of how would our great leaders of the past have faced up to this. De Valera or Michael Collins?
    One would of killed the other?


  • #5328
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MipMap wrote: »
    Fully Agree.



    I can't understand why people focus on the number of new cases as if it means anything. It just reflects the level of testing. The more new cases we see actually means we are detecting more and isolating them before they infect others.


    The only relevant metrics are - Seriously ill (ICU), and (sadly) deaths.


    The figure for ICU for Ireland (6) has not changed for 5 days so I am not sure how reliable it is.


    In time the recovery rate is also a good indicator.
    Why would the ICU number be unreliable? It's pretty easy to count 6 people.


  • #5329
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.


  • #5330
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-postal-workers-refuse-to-deliver-without-hand-sanitiser-kj9bwgkv3


    They have been so negligent towards staff,who go door to door to every house in this country shambles, can't get sanitizers they said,but we could still deliver them day to those who ordered online !!! .


  • #5331
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Eh 8200 homes were repossessed.
    Hardly tiny.

    Houses, not homes


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  • #5332
    LastFridayNight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    Duggie2012 wrote: »
    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?

    Prob not. But I would be happy to give some of mine now to help fund a ventilator.


  • #5333
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Pure sh**te.
    No infrastructure loss, no buildings destroyed.
    IT companies are booming at the mo trying to facilitate the work from home demand. This will only continue.

    The tourist industry and leisure pursuits will suffer temporarily but even now govs are pledging assistance and recovery packages.

    Yes there will be recession but after the crisis, people will very much appreciate and enjoy the good things in life, with a new appreciation of 'do it now'
    The economic bounce back will be immediate and fast.

    Stop your scaremongering it's simply not true.

    It’s not scaremongering. It’s realism. You have mentioned an immediate bounce back, and tourism will suffer temporarily!!!!!
    What suggests the tourism industry will see any recovery in the next number of years??

    I have no idea where the Mary Poppins model of people will appreciate and enjoy the good things in life??
    And do what now?


  • #5334
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭threeball


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Pensions are a scam at the best of times. Its time to move to a different system where your nest egg disappears at the first sign of trouble. You'd be better put the money in your account than give it to a pension fund.


  • #5335
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.

    the older folk on defined benefit pensions are dying now too

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #5336
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    10:30am
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    Nsfw


  • #5337
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    This, honestly, isn't good enough.
    For mortgages it's up to the lenders, what they offer varies, and credit ratings could be screwed.

    Nothing for renters.

    Special Dole for those who suddenly lost their jobs - but after 6 weeks its ordinary dole. Let's look at how much that is : minimum pay @39 hrs week = €393.9 gross, SW = €203 pw.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/what-are-the-options-if-i-can-t-pay-my-mortgage-1.4204063?fbclid=IwAR3Gl_AA_aYnfXYkHqE1Id9TlvbvZgOKwHRKz21NT9zgd4SLpWcfIsVv5rU

    Unless unilateral action on housing costs is taken there is a financial disaster coming quickly down the track for hundreds of thousands of people. Most people could scrape by on the dole, pay utility bills etc, but mortgages/rent - that will break people.

    Based on that, how long before we see property prices drop?


  • #5338
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Seamai wrote: »
    I don't want to start a new thread on this but would like to know how people are dealing with social distancing in the work place? I work for a small supplies company with 10 staff on the premises. For the moment it's business as usual but I think it could be a whole different ball game by this time next week. I know things have moved up a gear since last week but I have a few colleagues who don't seem to be taking things too seriously. We have a small kitchen area with a microwave, fridge, toaster and kettle, last week I put a sign up asking people to wash their hands BEFORE using the area and to wash up afterwards, most of them ignored it.
    Some of them are very laid back about the whole thing, whinging about having the kids at home and not having any sport to watch but not being anyway proactive in the work environment. How do we deal with people like this?
    Exact same problem in my place. I’m considering only using my own stuff from flasks for soup, coffee etc. An maybe bringing my own set of dishes and cutlery from home. I can’t be dealing with people who won’t practice good hygiene and anyway, it’s kind of hard to remember every minute, wash your hands, touch your face two seconds later. Short of living in an actual germ free bubble it’s almost impossible!!


  • #5339
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭josip


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I was thinking of how would our great leaders of the past have faced up to this. De Valera or Michael Collins?


    Dev would have left Collins to make the unpalatable decisions and announcements about social restrictions before shooting him in the back in 12 months time.


  • #5340
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭jackboy


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.

    Yep, who is going to pay for this, private sector workers again. It may seem a bit crude to discuss these issues now but in a years time it will be a massive issue.


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  • #5341
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Nope it will be significantly longer.

    6-8 weeks from Friday would be an optimistic guess. With increased restrictions over the next 1-2 weeks.
    did you not read the part about economy, these last few weeks tanked markets back past 2008, any further delays will put us into 3rd word country, and funny part in a sick way is, that most will still have to suffer though corona virus eventually. forget the flat curve and all those BS words. this wont help if people will be out on the streets and no one to feed them.


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