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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #5312
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    This won't go on for more than 4 weeks.

    Nope it will be significantly longer.

    6-8 weeks from Friday would be an optimistic guess. With increased restrictions over the next 1-2 weeks.


  • #5313
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The coming recession has the potential to kill more people than the virus.

    Don't go thinking about that too much though or you might get dizzy and fall off your high-horse.

    Pure sh**te.
    No infrastructure loss, no buildings destroyed.
    IT companies are booming at the mo trying to facilitate the work from home demand. This will only continue.

    The tourist industry and leisure pursuits will suffer temporarily but even now govs are pledging assistance and recovery packages.

    Yes there will be recession but after the crisis, people will very much appreciate and enjoy the good things in life, with a new appreciation of 'do it now'
    The economic bounce back will be immediate and fast.

    Stop your scaremongering it's simply not true.


  • #5314
    Duggie2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Duggie2012


    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?


  • #5315
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I've posted a few times now about the UKs reaction to this as I live over here.

    Yesterday we had a meeting in work that was basically, "we're working here until the government says otherwise." The government then said, people should work from home where possible yesterday evening before we finished up for the day, we watched the press conference live in work too so nobody missed the news.

    Today, I'm the only person who didn't go into work and worked from home.

    I live directly across the road from a few bars and cafes, I've seen people go in and out of them all day and a lot of people just carrying on like its a regular day.

    I literally don't understand the thought process of a lot of Brits right now.

    I think it's the sort of mentality that was bet into them with regard to terrorism, which was also a threat to them all. They were told to carry on as normal and not let it beat them. Not to let the terrorists win. To continue on doing the things they always did.

    The problem with a virus is you should do the complete opposite and stay away from each other and hide. You can't beat it by showing your not afraid of it and carrying on as normal.


  • #5316
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Nobody has a clue but personally I very much doubt much will of got better by then we can hope though

    We'll still be on the upslope by then, i don't think theres any question of that. 29th of march could become 29th april very quickly.


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  • #5317
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    I must say I was posting on a bit of a rant on earlier threads that the general attitude of the public was not great (putting it mildly), I was very much mistaken.

    The majority of people are actually making a great effort. Shops full of stock again this morning, I'd swear the guys in LIDL live there at this stage. More nods and hellos when out walking. The penny is dropping and hopefully we will get the rewards of it.

    I've said it before but the number of people in ICU is the metric. The numbers will increase because we are testing more.




    Fully Agree.



    I can't understand why people focus on the number of new cases as if it means anything. It just reflects the level of testing. The more new cases we see actually means we are detecting more and isolating them before they infect others.


    The only relevant metrics are - Seriously ill (ICU), and (sadly) deaths.


    The figure for ICU for Ireland (6) has not changed for 5 days so I am not sure how reliable it is.


    In time the recovery rate is also a good indicator.


  • #5318
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Duggie2012 wrote: »
    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #5319
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    threeball wrote: »
    You'll have caught it and gained natural immunity long before then. Thats the reality.

    Do you want to be the small percentage that doesn't make it through?


  • #5320
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    This, honestly, isn't good enough.
    For mortgages it's up to the lenders, what they offer varies, and credit ratings could be screwed.

    Nothing for renters.

    Special Dole for those who suddenly lost their jobs - but after 6 weeks its ordinary dole. Let's look at how much that is : minimum pay @39 hrs week = €393.9 gross, SW = €203 pw.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/what-are-the-options-if-i-can-t-pay-my-mortgage-1.4204063?fbclid=IwAR3Gl_AA_aYnfXYkHqE1Id9TlvbvZgOKwHRKz21NT9zgd4SLpWcfIsVv5rU

    Unless unilateral action on housing costs is taken there is a financial disaster coming quickly down the track for hundreds of thousands of people. Most people could scrape by on the dole, pay utility bills etc, but mortgages/rent - that will break people.


  • #5321
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    scamalert wrote: »
    sounds like you want to have your cake both ways, oh bad people are out, oh no because everything is closed we will be in far more trouble :confused: one either works as usual, or faces extreme reality no work no taxes people will be let go, someone will have to fork out massive payoffs and dole, as people wont have any income, not bad for those who save, but otherwise many will get fcked over, harsh but true, if virus wont do em any harm then economy will finish some harder then anything else.

    I will be honest I am just really starting to take in the reality and far reaching effects this is going to have on the entire world.

    I have been following this Virus since January when China was being hit hard trying to get people to face the reality of what was coming.
    Now that it is here I am shocked I guess part of me was wishing the IT"S ONLY A FLU MOB WAS RIGHT.

    We will have to rebuilt after this and I am guessing tourism hospitality and pubs will be a much smaller part of our economy.


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  • #5322
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I was thinking of how would our great leaders of the past have faced up to this. De Valera or Michael Collins?
    One would of killed the other?


  • #5323
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MipMap wrote: »
    Fully Agree.



    I can't understand why people focus on the number of new cases as if it means anything. It just reflects the level of testing. The more new cases we see actually means we are detecting more and isolating them before they infect others.


    The only relevant metrics are - Seriously ill (ICU), and (sadly) deaths.


    The figure for ICU for Ireland (6) has not changed for 5 days so I am not sure how reliable it is.


    In time the recovery rate is also a good indicator.
    Why would the ICU number be unreliable? It's pretty easy to count 6 people.


  • #5324
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.


  • #5325
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-postal-workers-refuse-to-deliver-without-hand-sanitiser-kj9bwgkv3


    They have been so negligent towards staff,who go door to door to every house in this country shambles, can't get sanitizers they said,but we could still deliver them day to those who ordered online !!! .


  • #5326
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Eh 8200 homes were repossessed.
    Hardly tiny.

    Houses, not homes


  • #5327
    LastFridayNight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    Duggie2012 wrote: »
    Could there be an eventuality where people savings are raided by the state? Is that possible?

    Prob not. But I would be happy to give some of mine now to help fund a ventilator.


  • #5328
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Pure sh**te.
    No infrastructure loss, no buildings destroyed.
    IT companies are booming at the mo trying to facilitate the work from home demand. This will only continue.

    The tourist industry and leisure pursuits will suffer temporarily but even now govs are pledging assistance and recovery packages.

    Yes there will be recession but after the crisis, people will very much appreciate and enjoy the good things in life, with a new appreciation of 'do it now'
    The economic bounce back will be immediate and fast.

    Stop your scaremongering it's simply not true.

    It’s not scaremongering. It’s realism. You have mentioned an immediate bounce back, and tourism will suffer temporarily!!!!!
    What suggests the tourism industry will see any recovery in the next number of years??

    I have no idea where the Mary Poppins model of people will appreciate and enjoy the good things in life??
    And do what now?


  • #5329
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    the pensions will get hit AGAIN, we'll have nothing left

    Pensions are a scam at the best of times. Its time to move to a different system where your nest egg disappears at the first sign of trouble. You'd be better put the money in your account than give it to a pension fund.


  • #5330
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.

    the older folk on defined benefit pensions are dying now too

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #5331
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    10:30am
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    Nsfw


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  • #5332
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    This, honestly, isn't good enough.
    For mortgages it's up to the lenders, what they offer varies, and credit ratings could be screwed.

    Nothing for renters.

    Special Dole for those who suddenly lost their jobs - but after 6 weeks its ordinary dole. Let's look at how much that is : minimum pay @39 hrs week = €393.9 gross, SW = €203 pw.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/what-are-the-options-if-i-can-t-pay-my-mortgage-1.4204063?fbclid=IwAR3Gl_AA_aYnfXYkHqE1Id9TlvbvZgOKwHRKz21NT9zgd4SLpWcfIsVv5rU

    Unless unilateral action on housing costs is taken there is a financial disaster coming quickly down the track for hundreds of thousands of people. Most people could scrape by on the dole, pay utility bills etc, but mortgages/rent - that will break people.

    Based on that, how long before we see property prices drop?


  • #5333
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Seamai wrote: »
    I don't want to start a new thread on this but would like to know how people are dealing with social distancing in the work place? I work for a small supplies company with 10 staff on the premises. For the moment it's business as usual but I think it could be a whole different ball game by this time next week. I know things have moved up a gear since last week but I have a few colleagues who don't seem to be taking things too seriously. We have a small kitchen area with a microwave, fridge, toaster and kettle, last week I put a sign up asking people to wash their hands BEFORE using the area and to wash up afterwards, most of them ignored it.
    Some of them are very laid back about the whole thing, whinging about having the kids at home and not having any sport to watch but not being anyway proactive in the work environment. How do we deal with people like this?
    Exact same problem in my place. I’m considering only using my own stuff from flasks for soup, coffee etc. An maybe bringing my own set of dishes and cutlery from home. I can’t be dealing with people who won’t practice good hygiene and anyway, it’s kind of hard to remember every minute, wash your hands, touch your face two seconds later. Short of living in an actual germ free bubble it’s almost impossible!!


  • #5334
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,501 ✭✭✭✭josip


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I was thinking of how would our great leaders of the past have faced up to this. De Valera or Michael Collins?


    Dev would have left Collins to make the unpalatable decisions and announcements about social restrictions before shooting him in the back in 12 months time.


  • #5335
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭jackboy


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Thats me getting hit again so, and when i started working in a company many years ago now i thought it was brilliant that pension contributions were mandatory.

    Should have stuffed it under the mattress.

    Yep, who is going to pay for this, private sector workers again. It may seem a bit crude to discuss these issues now but in a years time it will be a massive issue.


  • #5336
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Nope it will be significantly longer.

    6-8 weeks from Friday would be an optimistic guess. With increased restrictions over the next 1-2 weeks.
    did you not read the part about economy, these last few weeks tanked markets back past 2008, any further delays will put us into 3rd word country, and funny part in a sick way is, that most will still have to suffer though corona virus eventually. forget the flat curve and all those BS words. this wont help if people will be out on the streets and no one to feed them.


  • #5337
    jamesf85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭jamesf85


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Did you tell this to any Italian? Back to normal after 4 weeks.

    Italy have been in lockdown for a week.

    Lets see what happens if they continue that way for 3 months. Who's going to be in a position to bail them out?

    How will they support their 50-60% unemployed population? How will they run their hospitals? schools? banks?

    Italy will lift measures, they will have no choice not to. Even if they continue this exact stance for 3 months. How do they ever lift the ban and open their borders, do you think India, Africa etc will have it under control?

    The only thing we can do here is all take this incredibly seriously...keep isolated where possible and practise good hygiene to try and slow this down and not overburden our hospitals. Italy got to where they are because their population treated it like a normal flu, we're not doing that now. We also have a massive advantage in that we have a very dispersed population (apart from Dublin)


  • #5338
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You can't compare the world of 100 years ago to the world now.

    Spanish flu had been allowed to spread unchecked and unacknowledged by officialdom as it was deemed bad for moral - that's why it's called the 'Spanish' flu, Spain wasn't involved in WWI so the press there wrote about it.


    They also did not have social media with a bunch of muppets saying



    "lets all catch it together, bury the dead and then get on with it"



    They let "Herd Immunity" do it for because they knew no better.


  • #5339
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Breen608 wrote: »
    Which knock on effects did nobody see coming?

    I did not see the amount of economic damage for a start.


  • #5340
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    kowloon wrote: »
    They're not stupid as another poster suggests, they just don't care about spreading the virus. Some people only behave because there is a penalty for not doing so, rather than just doing what is best for everyone because it's the right thing to do. Show them what you think of their house party, a little shaming often sets a cnut in the right direction.

    People shaming. How very 50s Irish of you. Perhaps we should set up a laundry for them or something.


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  • #5341
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    MipMap wrote: »
    Fully Agree.



    I can't understand why people focus on the number of new cases as if it means anything. It just reflects the level of testing. The more new cases we see actually means we are detecting more and isolating them before they infect others.


    The only relevant metrics are - Seriously ill (ICU), and (sadly) deaths.


    The figure for ICU for Ireland (6) has not changed for 5 days so I am not sure how reliable it is.


    In time the recovery rate is also a good indicator.
    No it dosen't, it reflects the number of reported cases.

    See previous post on 'stealth transmission' and need for statistically valid random population test sampling.


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