CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

mikel97 wrote: »

Yeays

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Requires refresh maybe every day.

Sorry, i meany in the Irish (HSE) updates. I only recall them giving figures for positive cases, but no info on recovered cases.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You can't compare the world of 100 years ago to the world now.

Spanish flu had been allowed to spread unchecked and unacknowledged by officialdom as it was deemed bad for moral - that's why it's called the 'Spanish' flu, Spain wasn't involved in WWI so the press there wrote about it.

It occured during a time when the continent of Europe was literally devastated by war, the countries who had been involved in that war were economically on their knees (bar the USA), and given the medical knowledge at the time treating casualties of a mechanised war was beyond the skill set of most medics - never mind combatting a virus.

Large groups of people were moved around the globe en mass - and untested. We are talking cruise ship amounts not plane full amounts as troops were sent home. Literally whole armies returning from infected areas then spreading across their home country.

If we had the same 'world' now as then Covid 19 would be running unchecked too.

We are far more globalised now. The amount of people Ryanair moves in a day is probably more than were moved in the whole of WW1.

Discodog wrote: »

I don't see the Ibuprofen question as ****housery. From what I read the French report was based on a genuine study & it made sense to me. If you are fine with Paracetamol then why use Ibuprofen ?

The criticism of the posts seems to forget that they weren't internet rumours or gossip. There is genuine research behind them.

“I would advise against that,” said Prof Ian Jones, a virologist at the University of Reading. “There’s good scientific evidence for ibuprofen aggravating the condition or prolonging it. That recommendation needs to be updated.”

Paul Little, a professor of primary care research at the University of Southampton, said: “The general feeling is that the French advice is fairly sensible. There is now a sizeable literature from case control studies in several countries that prolonged illness or the complications of respiratory infections may be more common when non-steroidal anti-inflammatories [NSAIDs] are used.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6041

Original French source for NSAID/ibuprofen/Nurofen effects on severity (Le Figaro; use Google translate).

https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/coronavirus-alerte-sur-l-ibuprofene-et-autres-anti-inflammatoires-20200314

Real-time observational evidence takes a while to meet 'proper' evidence threshold and make it into official guidance. This virus was only discovered in December.

Self-medicating with the over-the-counter drugs that people have been stockpiling will do nothing to 'cure' them of the virus or improve their survival chances (in the unlikely event that an individual has severe infection).

Self-medicating, based on this French evidence, may cause harm to infected people.

Fever is a symptom, not a disease. Any self-medicating advice from health professionals such as 'take paracetamol' is purely to relieve discomfort. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/fever-in-adults2

careless sherpa wrote: »

I think contact tracing is only a token gesture. Take the cases in cootehill where 30 fellas decided it was a good idea to go to Newcastle on a stag the weekend before last. They came back and drank for another few days in different pubs. How could they trace everyone they were in contact with. The main pub they were drinking in got a deep clean but that's about it. Someone who lives there was telling me the town virtually shut itself down as noone wanted to go near it

Mobile phones ping the cell towers regularly. Using this data it's possible to triangulate the location of an individual and also identify the other mobile devices which were in the vicinity at the time. The President of University of Limerick was volunteering the services of their institution to perform such analysis last week.

Ace2007 wrote: »

The virus also has the potential to kill more people than WWII

But you don't care.

The coming recession has the potential to kill more people than the virus.

Don't go thinking about that too much though or you might get dizzy and fall off your high-horse.

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

One thing IV noticed is how quiet sinn Fein are gone. It's almost like they don't want to be making any decisions . I Wonder why. Could it possibly be that they won't be popular decisions.

They're not in government???

Wibbs wrote: »

Sounds sensible alright D, especially if paracetamol is right there as an alternative.

Though a question I'd have - and it may be a daft one - if you're feverish that's your body's built in response evolved over millions of years to kill pathogens, so why seek to reduce that? Obviously if it gets to dangerous temps yeah, but otherwise is it not better to let the fever do the job it evolved to do?

This confuses me also. I asked a medical friend and they said anti pyretics make patient more comfortable while body fights infection. I’m not convinced though.

Xertz wrote: »

Well it’s a point. Nobody walked to Italy from China. Effectively any major or even minor airport connects us to a vast global network and humans travel - a lot. Being an island might help if you’re being invaded by an army, but nobody intentionally infected anyone. This happened entirely by accident. Those carrying it were unaware.

Know we now (from genomic data) that the virus was introduced early in Europe, with early cases in the Netherlands and Germany which appear to have been the main gateways thanks to the busy airport hubs.
There was also a death in Valencia on the 13 February.
The cases in Italy originated from the Bavaria outbreak at the end of January.

See for NL
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/2020-03-...ry=Netherlands

and for Germany
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/2020-03-...ountry=Germany

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

They're not in government???

Has never stopped them before.

FG must be gutted an election is'nt coming up, think they'd do well (well better than they did) based on how they have dealt with this to date.

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

One thing IV noticed is how quiet sinn Fein are gone. It's almost like they don't want to be making any decisions . I Wonder why. Could it possibly be that they won't be popular decisions.

Deleted User wrote: »

Petty point-scoring doesn't enter into the equation during a national crisis. Leave aside trivial differences and work together for the common good.

One thing that annoys me is people talking about the government right now - it doesn't matter what they did in the past, it doesn't matter who is in charge, ultimately what we have seen is that Dr. Tony and the crew are making the decisions, and it's really good to see them taking the questions etc - because I feel this removes the political side of things.

It's not the time to talking about funding cuts to hospital and that's why we don't have beds, or that nurses/doctors should get paid more. that's a distraction and just not worth reporting about right now.

This is a time for everyone in society to pull together and help everyone get out of this current situation.

It's actually really great to see so many people helping out in different ways - whether it's sports clubs bringing food for the elderly, or people offering to help mind children of front line service people. As a society we are in this together - everyone of us' actions can impact how bad this gets.

We are lucky as a nation that we are a small country - people will look out for each other, and make sure we are ok.

I also feel that the media should start focusing more on the positives - for mental health and anxiety reasons - doom and gloom day in day out won't help people - talk about the people who make the recoveries, talk about the good that is happening in society - highlight for instance the people helping the front line staff etc.