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Will you download the contact tracing app?

  • 16-03-2020 12:42am
    #1
    jetsonx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭


    I know privacy is very important to people but I fear that drastic times call for drastic measures.

    Let's say the Irish Government introduced a smartphone app tomorrow to prevent the spread of COVID-19. The app would record all your movements and triage the data against the movements of those infected with COVID-19. An app which could save thousands of lives.

    Would you allow this app to be installed on your smartphone?


    (The data would be solely used by health authorities)

    Will you opt-in to new Covid Contact Tracing app when released? 1238 votes

    Yes
    69% 858 votes
    No
    30% 380 votes
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  • #2
    fishy_fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭fishy_fishy


    Yes. It was used very effectively in China, but it seems that the HSE can't be bothered letting us know the COUNTY involved never nind that sort of useful information so unfortunately can't see it happening


  • #3
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    jetsonx wrote: »
    I know privacy is very important to people but I fear that drastic times call for drastic measures.

    Let's say the Irish Government introduced a smartphone app tomorrow to prevent the spread of COVID-19. The app would record all your movements and triage the data against the movements of those infected with COVID-19. An app would could save thousands of lives.

    Would you allow this app to be installed on your smartphone?


    (The data would be solely used by health authorities)

    Its always these draconian measures are brought in with a sugar coating. Its really about monitoring and controlling you. You wonder why so many have depression? Its because of constant observation on either cameras, social media or by smart phones. Edwards Snowdon, Chelsea Manning and others have all exposed this.


  • #4
    jetsonx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its always these draconian measures are brought in with a sugar coating. Its really about monitoring and controlling you. You wonder why so many have depression? Its because of constant observation on either cameras, social media or by smart phones. Edwards Snowdon, Chelsea Manning and others have all exposed this.

    I know about the potential downsides. But this is really a matter of life and death.

    All this talk about Big Data. All the frankly useless and sh1t apps people install on their phones. This is one case where technology could be leveraged directly to save lives. In fact, it seems bizarre that we're not doing something like this. We have enough software developers living here. The telecom infrastructure is already in place.


  • #5
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    jetsonx wrote: »
    All the frankly useless and sh1t apps people install on their phones. This is one case where technology could be leveraged directly to save lives. In fact, it seems bizarre that we're not doing something like this. We have enough software developers living here. The telecom infrastructure is already in place.

    They are monitoring this stuff already, they are doing this without your permission. Most of these free games are collecting data for marketing.


  • #6
    siochain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭siochain


    Absolutely, we need to do what ever is needed to slow this thing down.


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  • #7
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    siochain wrote: »
    Absolutely, we need to do whatever is needed to slow this thing down.

    1984, with a sugar coating.... what about the next crisis? You are giving a civil servant/politician carte blanche to do "whatever" is necessary in a "crisis", like "in the national interest"?.

    You took off all the safety catches that protect your privacy as a private citizen. What if you found yourself an enemy of the state like a rogue journalist? and apply the phrase "in the national interest"?


  • #8
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    If they had only closed the borders before cases started popping up here. They have some neck if they now expect people to welcome some big brother measures into their lives in a futile attempt to lessen impact of their fcuk up


  • #9
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    If they had only closed the borders before cases started popping up here. They have some neck if they now expect people to welcome some big brother measures into their lives in a futile attempt to lessen impact of their fcuk up

    But there is a "crisis" and its "in the national interest"?

    I wonder if they justified all that snooping on Maurice McCabe and the editor of the Irish times Geraldine Kennedy, "in the national interest"? People have such short memories.


  • #10
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    jetsonx wrote: »
    I know privacy is very important to people but I fear that drastic times call for drastic measures.

    Let's say the Irish Government introduced a smartphone app tomorrow to prevent the spread of COVID-19. The app would record all your movements and triage the data against the movements of those infected with COVID-19. An app which could save thousands of lives.

    Would you allow this app to be installed on your smartphone?


    (The data would be solely used by health authorities)
    Oh you sweet innocent summer child. That ship sailed long before you got your first smartphone.

    The government wouldn't need a tracking app. Like the Chinese version it would just be an app where they keep you in the loop.


    All your movements and interactions are recorded because that's what smartphones do. The only difference between the brands and networks is who has access to the information.

    There's two main eco-systems Apple/Google.
    There's only three companies with masts 3/Eir/Vodafone.
    Blackberry rolled over to the Saudis on encryption.
    ( It's a strange world where Microsoft barely register on the Big Brother scale. )


    For near complete tracking a government could use other channels instead.
    And then there's the phone brands and then there's the network equipment. And then there's the likes of facebook and twitter and other apps that are wide spread and on practically every phone already.


  • #11
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its always these draconian measures are brought in with a sugar coating. Its really about monitoring and controlling you. You wonder why so many have depression? Its because of constant observation on either cameras, social media or by smart phones. Edwards Snowdon, Chelsea Manning and others have all exposed this.

    So many have depression because it’s handier than working. It has absolutely **** all to do with the tinfoil hat stuff.

    OP, I’d happily share my location with the HSE 24/7 if it helped.


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  • #12
    Collie D
    Registered Users Posts: 11,295 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    siochain wrote: »
    Absolutely, we need to do what ever is needed to slow this thing down.

    Separate anyone with a temperature and off to the gulags


  • #13
    Rufeo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Rufeo


    Yes i would be allowing it.


  • #14
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,423 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Don't have a smartphone. Would probably spend the time mucking around with leaches instead.


  • #15
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    If they had only closed the borders before cases started popping up here. They have some neck if they now expect people to welcome some big brother measures into their lives in a futile attempt to lessen impact of their fcuk up
    They used to have 27,000 armed troops up north and 40% of the vehicle fuel was still laundered or smuggled. Official fuel imports fell while car ownership was going up.

    It would only work if Northern Ireland blocked ports and airports too.


  • #16
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    They used to have 27,000 armed troops up north and 40% of the vehicle fuel was still laundered or smuggled. Official fuel imports fell while car ownership was going up.

    It would only work if Northern Ireland blocked ports and airports too.

    That is different that was part of the Good Friday agreement. Totally different, price of peace.


  • #17
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    How will it work and what will be the benefits of it?


  • #18
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/app-to-track-and-trace-covid-19-infections-being-developed-991213.html

    It is expected that members of the general public and those who are sick could be asked to use the phone or computer facility in a bid to restrict the spread of the virus and even contain possible clusters


  • #19
    johnfás
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭johnfás


    A pan European app is a much better idea and would get us towards normality a lot quicker.


  • #20
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    The front line healthcare workers are doing a great job, but would I trust the HSE with any of my data? No.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/363-data-protection-breaches-recorded-by-hse-967300.html

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/hse-data-breaches-misplaced-patient-records-discovered-in-pub-lost-medical-files-turned-up-on-bus-38298556.html

    And their response when someone acts responsibly when they find sensitive patient data on the street was deplorable: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/finder-of-patient-details-accused-by-hse-of-data-breach-922004.html


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The front line healthcare workers are doing a great job, but would I trust the HSE with any of my data? No.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/363-data-protection-breaches-recorded-by-hse-967300.html

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/hse-data-breaches-misplaced-patient-records-discovered-in-pub-lost-medical-files-turned-up-on-bus-38298556.html

    And their response when someone acts responsibly when they find sensitive patient data on the street was deplorable: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/finder-of-patient-details-accused-by-hse-of-data-breach-922004.html

    HSE handing of personal data is deplorable and speaks to a lack of training on how to deal with such situations, however in the third case the election candidate who sent the data to the media was showboating for publicity. Came onto possession of the data on a Friday, and attempted to contact data protection officer on the Saturday - knowing well the office would be closed, and when advised to drop to reception in a sealed envelope to be processed after weekend, refused and instead contacted the media. CUH were not given a reasonable opportunity to address the breach.


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  • #22
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I cant see people opting into this in big numbers, many people wouldnt trust the HSE


  • #23
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I cant see people opting into this in big numbers, many people wouldnt trust the HSE

    It should be mandatory


  • #24
    Risteard81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    MattS1 wrote: »
    It should be mandatory
    No it shouldn't.


    I won't be installing any app.


  • #25
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No it shouldn't.


    I won't be installing any app.

    Selfish af. And that's why we are in lockdown for so long.


  • #26
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Selfish af. And that's why we are in lockdown for so long.

    EMBRACE THE MASS SURVEILLANCE OR YOU ARE KILLING GRANNY


  • #27
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    EMBRACE THE MASS SURVEILLANCE OR YOU ARE KILLING GRANNY

    You investigating the 5G towers too?


  • #28
    Mr_Muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Mr_Muffin


    Is it opensource?


  • #29
    Miike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    The tin foil hattery on the forum is insane lately. Much worse than ever before.

    I would make my entire person health record public knowledge if it would save a single life from being endangered. That's just my personal take on it those arbitrary links posted above that has nothing to do with handling of electronic data but instead physical files and documents (bar the MHS related one which was straight up ignorance of one member of staff.)

    I will be using the app, it's working phenomenally in Singapore and Australia.


  • #30
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Here is the website of the company doing it

    http://www.machine.ie


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  • #31
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Here is the website of the company doing it

    http://www.machine.ie

    Tinder.


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