Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) Read OP

completedit · 13-03-2020 07:42PM

Xertz wrote: »

There are closures of movement within countries too. It doesn't mean the end of solitary between EU countries, just a temporary measure to stop spread.

What's the point of infecting the whole EU as a matter of principle?

Big EU fan here. The lack of clear pan communication has been shocking.

amadangomor · 13-03-2020 07:42PM

banie01 wrote: »

The lad asking questions of Dr Holohan at the moment, Paul something or other?

What a fúcking idiot!
Completely misunderstanding what the purpose of flattening the curve is!

It's not to stop people getting infected, it's to slow the rate of infection sufficiently to allow our health service to cope without collapse.

Very poor journalism and honestly I'd sack this twat!

Plus your one who can barely speak/finish a sentence. Nothing against them as people but as journalist we expect informed and fluent questions to be asked.

Tomrota · 13-03-2020 07:43PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Denmark closing borders now. The aul EU solidarity going out the window. The EU as a political entity at least, will find it hard to overcome this. It's every country for themselves.

They closed towns and cities in Italy before the lockdown. And they’re doing the same in Spain. Closing borders is a normal way to slow down the spread of a virus.

What will come out of all this is a more powerful ECDC with powers to harmonise response across the Union. This should’ve been an EU issue but there was no precedence.

is_that_so · 13-03-2020 07:43PM

Xertz wrote: »

There are closures of movement within countries too. It doesn't mean the end of solitary between EU countries, just a temporary measure to stop spread.

What's the point of infecting the whole EU as a matter of principle?

Harris referred today to more focus on some clusters over others. This is much the same thing.

spookwoman · 13-03-2020 07:43PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1238534551502192640?s=20

Zillah · 13-03-2020 07:43PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Denmark closing borders now. The aul EU solidarity going out the window. The EU as a political entity at least, will find it hard to overcome this. It's every country for themselves.

Short term measures to deal with a virus is neither an indication of EU sentiment nor a malus for EU inegrity going forward.

BloodBath · 13-03-2020 07:44PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Two possibilities:

1) You are attention seeking

2) >redacted<

I post a lot less in this thread than most of you and usually only to call out BS and this has been the most active i have been on boards in years but I'm attention seeking?

Bunny Colvin · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Haven't been attending my gym this week for obvious reasons. Have been waiting for the email saying that they're closed until further notice like have gone out to Flyefit and Ben Dunnes.

Got an email with the subject "Important Member Notice" and thought "Ah, no need to feel guilty now, they're closing.." only to read:

Gyms would surely be an excellent breeding ground for CV. No fresh air and people in close contact sweating buckets. Not to mention the amount of people that don't wipe down benches/machines properly or don't bother at all. That advice in the e-mail seems irresponsible at best.

Strazdas · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

completedit wrote: »

Big EU fan here. The lack of clear pan communication has been shocking.

Should be said in their defence that health issues and diseases etc are not an EU competence. It's mostly not covered by EU law.

Humberto Salazar · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

INMO Trolley Watch.

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

64 beds short today... lowest numbers in a long time.

Last few days as low as I've seen it, there has to be lessons learned for the Health Dept. when they analyse this in a few months time. Still shortages but much more manageable.

Phibsboro · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Posters who disagree with your doomsday scenarios are not trolls. Cut that dismissive crap out.

I'll hold you to that figure next week, Nostradamus. After all, we got the very same predictions, if not worse, last week.

Just to chime in that it is pretty certain we will be at 100 new cases a day by next Friday. It is just the way the numbers work. This current lockdown wouldn't have fed through by then so it should increase at around the rate as it has been - which would mean we hit 100 new daily cases on Friday, maybe Saturday.

sonofenoch · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

Would this whole thing have blown up if there wasn't seemingly a link between Wuhan and that Northern region of Italy?

Italy seems to be the source for most of the Western world rather than China itself.........if I remember correctly the Sars virus only seemed to take a hold in China and Canada for some reason

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

statesaver wrote: »

Because they need to keep their economy going. They have far more employees than us, so stand to lose far more money when they have to shut down. They have voiced their view that the elderly are expendable in this and I expect the figure of 3.4m deaths is about accurate.
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3.4 million deaths accurate, where the UK ?? gonna need a source on that

67m population
60% infected = 40m
8% death rate ~ 3.3m

ShooterSF · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Haven't been attending my gym this week for obvious reasons. Have been waiting for the email saying that they're closed until further notice like have gone out to Flyefit and Ben Dunnes.

Got an email with the subject "Important Member Notice" and thought "Ah, no need to feel guilty now, they're closing.." only to read:

Im still deciding myself. No sign of mine closing and I go after work (3am) so it is usually empty or one/two others. Logically I know that is fine as long as I take care of my hygiene. But something in the back of my head is telling me that after giving out about punters in my pub all day that it is a touch hypocritical not to stay the F home.

Xertz · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

completedit wrote: »

Big EU fan here. The lack of clear pan communication has been shocking.

Yeah there's been a bit of a headless chicken approach, but again that is likely down to the fact that the EU has extremely limited roles in health due to various vetos of ever setting anything like that up. We've a few agencies and some degree of cooperation, but do not confuse the EU for an actual federal state. It's still a multilateral body that pools things on an agreed basis.

If anything, this should show the dangers of this half-arsed approach to the EU.

My view is the EU needs to have a conversation now that the UK is gone about whether we want federalism or not. If we do, let's do it right. If we don't, let's not keep adding layers of quasi-federal systems that don't work properly and concentrate on what we can do without them.

People seem to expect the EU to be like the US federal government in a crisis like this. It absolutely is not anything like that. Yet, if it tries to become more like a federal government, there's uproar too.
We seem to want to have it both ways - the bells and whistles of a federal democracy, with none of the structures or real power and resource sharing.

expectationlost · 13-03-2020 07:45PM

20 new cases... might be dangerous for those concerned but does it justify the (education) shutdown?

RandomName2 · 13-03-2020 07:46PM

statesaver wrote: »

3.4 million deaths accurate, where the UK ?? gonna need a source on that

That seems a bit excessive. Worst case scenario you'd be looking at between 1.2 -2.4 million deaths . That's assuming literally everyone in the UK is infected and the death rate is between 2 and 4%.

Cohen Obnoxious Eel wrote: »

8% death rate

I think that that's the death rate in Italy, but that seems to be atypical

Rob A. Bank · 13-03-2020 07:46PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 13 March 2020

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Daily number of cases continues to rise in Europe.

Now a lot higher than the Chinese at the peak of their epidemic.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

:-(

Beanybabog · 13-03-2020 07:46PM

https://beta.courts.ie/news/statements-respect-arrangement-courts-%E2%80%93-13th-march-2020

Huge changes to yesterday’s plans by the courts service this evening

Silverfish · 13-03-2020 07:46PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Haven't been attending my gym this week for obvious reasons. Have been waiting for the email saying that they're closed until further notice like have gone out to Flyefit and Ben Dunnes.

Got an email with the subject "Important Member Notice" and thought "Ah, no need to feel guilty now, they're closing.." only to read:

I'm absolutely still using the gym as normal.

In that, I'm paying and not going.

jamesf85 · 13-03-2020 07:48PM

Hi all,

Just trying to compare Covid19 to the Swine Flu

Been reading a lot about this lately. I remember a bit about the Swine flu at the time but never realise how bad it was.

There were up to 1.2 billion people infected with the Swine Flu outbreak and anywhere between 200,000 and 500,000 deaths. Ireland had 475 deaths.

Obviously twitter, smartphones and instagram have helped bring Covid 19 more into the spotlight, but is it any worse than the Swine Flu? I know the swine flu was devastating but it didn't seem to cause the panic we're now witnessing. I also know that the death rate for C19 is around 3.4% right now but that's because of massive under testing. South Korea is probably the best place to look for the mortality rate as they do the most testing and it's at 0.5% and likely to drop further.

I understand the issue here will be if hospitals get over crowded then deaths will explode, but how did we cope with the Swine Flu? How long can we shut everything down before the economy can't take anymore?

Just for perspective, I agree with the shut down, but I can't see it last more than a month as then not only will it then be a health risk, it'll also probably cause the deepest recession ever seen. There is going to be massive job losses and personal misery brought upon those that don't even suffer symptoms of this disease.

Dial Hard · 13-03-2020 07:48PM

Jesus it's gone even tetchier than normal in here this evening.

CBear1993 · 13-03-2020 07:48PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 13 March 2020

Daily number of cases continues to rise in Europe.

Now a lot higher than the Chinese at the peak of their epidemic.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

:-(

The rotten b*stards have seemingly managed to keep it under control in their own country or possibly on the other side of it. Released it into Italy by sending their own into what is essentially the centre of Europe. And now sit and watch as we struggle. Can’t help but say this has an eerie feeling to it. The Chinese ... you couldn’t put anything past them

a_squirrelman · 13-03-2020 07:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Denmark closing borders now. The aul EU solidarity going out the window. The EU as a political entity at least, will find it hard to overcome this. It's every country for themselves.

What nonsense! Closing the borders to stem the spread is not throwing away solidarity. It's just bloody practical.

ironingbored · 13-03-2020 07:49PM

completedit wrote: »

I’m straight down the middle. I’m responsible, have been keeping a low profile the last week but at same time, I do think it’s a panic born out of a contagion of panic spread by our interconnected world.

Average age of deaths in Italy is 80. I mean it’s not ideal that old people are dying at all and if it was my close relative I’d be sad too, but death comes to us all eventually.

You obviously missed the audio and video of Milanese doctors saying they've stopped intubating the over 60s in order to save the 50-year olds.

is_that_so · 13-03-2020 07:49PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Gyms would surely be an excellent breeding ground for CV. No fresh air and people in close contact sweating buckets. Not to mention the amount of people that don't wipe down benches/machines properly or don't bother at all. That advice in the e-mail seems irresponsible at best.

Actually, I've noticed near obsessive cleaning in my gym by staff and members. They have also put notices everywhere and regularly update their social media with reminders.

bear1 · 13-03-2020 07:50PM

Living out in Warsaw.
Government just locked down the country, Slovakia and Czech Republic shut down their borders too.
All flights in and out banned from Sunday, everything apart from pharmacies and food stores will be closed from tomorrow.
So to be honest, I would imagine it's a matter of time until Ireland decides to follow suit.
I'm just staggered at the UKs stance.

TomSweeney · 13-03-2020 07:50PM

Why are the experts predicting a peak in June, when China's peak pretty much came about 1.5 months after early cases - 1 month after it was acknowledged and crackdowns...

Is it just the severity of the lockdown and the resources China has ?

DOCARCH · 13-03-2020 07:51PM

Phibsboro wrote: »

Just to chime in that it is pretty certain we will be at 100 new cases a day by next Friday. It is just the way the numbers work. This current lockdown wouldn't have fed through by then so it should increase at around the rate as it has been - which would mean we hit 100 new daily cases on Friday, maybe Saturday.

And we will have all the Cheltenham hoo haas back next week!

littlemac1980 · 13-03-2020 07:51PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

Hi all,

Obviously twitter, smartphones and instagram have helped bring Covid 19 more into the spotlight, but is it any worse than the Swine Flu?

Yes it is far worse than swine flu. Just offering one example, Covid infections result in a very large proportion of critical patients that require intensive treatment to keep alive. The issue is it swamps health services very very rapidly.

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