Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) Read OP

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2020 04:19PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just on the UK deaths listen to Dr John's first few minutes, he says the infection rate in your (our) country is 10 to 20 times higher than we are reporting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTFk34nhoI

It's only when countries roll out a vaccine that true mortality rates will begin to emerge. Then people can start to assess whose strategy was most effective.

lainey_d_123 · 13-03-2020 04:19PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

And virus all over the handles of the stool, metal bar running across the front of the bar, all the piss in the toilet on the floor and everywhere contaminated with it, all the taps and handles of toilet crawling with it, and depending on the hygiene of the bar man serving you, the glass he held while filling it from the tap will be contaminated.

People need to really wake up to the reality of whats happening in our neighboring country, your a ****ing pleb and so are the bars that are still open.

Ban accepted without argument.

Don't even know what to think about this.

I mean, yes, this is how I think, as someone with almost lifelong OCD. I have barely ventured outside over the past week, except when I've been forced to work. My mental state is really, incredibly poor, though. I've been invited to have a drink in a beer garden in a quiet pub and am considering it. Would disinfect and/or wash hands after handling the glass and be careful not to touch my face and all that.

It's hard to find a balance between trying to stay safe and not going completely insane.

ThePopehimself · 13-03-2020 04:19PM

BetterWay wrote: »

What exactly do you think that entails?

And where do you think they'll find the people to police it when they can't even police O'Connell Street properly?

The Army.

spookwoman · 13-03-2020 04:19PM

flynnlives wrote: »

is that your spreadsheet?

could you upload to google sheets? id like to make a copy

thanks!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VnTtGtEGyzDr1sAdoFieLpUeUUP0mbzryebHGUbISj4/edit?usp=sharing

WrenBoy · 13-03-2020 04:20PM

I know this isn't an advice thread but I was planning on taking the girlfriend for a night or 2 away down the country somewhere this weekend, ye reckon its safe? and also if places will even be open ??

gmisk · 13-03-2020 04:20PM

gmisk wrote: »

F*ck it I will

Prices medical hall
Aka
Clare street medical

On nassau street

It's pure alcohol pretty much apart from the gouging it would destroy your hands!

People are paying it as well!

Sorry to quote my own post, but is there any legislation in Ireland to do with price gouging? I know they were bringing it in or brought it in in the Uk

otnomart · 13-03-2020 04:21PM

Austria locking down two areas: Paznaun and St.Anton
Also:

stopping visits to hospitals
bars and restaurants to close at 15 pm
only essential shops are open

spookwoman · 13-03-2020 04:21PM

https://twitter.com/BelfastLive/status/1238485296309768193?s=20

Downlinz · 13-03-2020 04:21PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Still, the social media brigade, braying for a lock-down, will be kept happy so the politicians will view it as a good result.

Those most concerned and seeking action are the elderly fearing for their lives, hardly the "social media brigade".

is_that_so · 13-03-2020 04:22PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just on the UK numbers listen to Dr John's first few minutes, he says the infection rate in your (our) country is 10 to 20 times higher than we are reporting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTFk34nhoI

It only really matters if the system has to deal with huge numbers simultaneously. One of the German chief medics made the point that they can't quantify the number who may have had it and recovered. He also suggested this could add to herd immunity.

BTW is it a thing to link to that guy on every version of the thread?

completedit · 13-03-2020 04:22PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

I know this isn't an advice thread but I was planning on taking the girlfriend for a night or 2 away down the country somewhere this weekend, ye reckon its safe? and also if places will even be open ??

I’d go man. Honestly, unless you’re planning on living in bubble wrap for 2 weeks. Just go. You’re young. Help the local economy and be smart about who you come into contact with

BetterWay · 13-03-2020 04:22PM

flynnlives wrote: »

hes not a real doctor.

Who is this guy I keep seeing all over YouTube? So he actually has no qualifications?

Martina1991 · 13-03-2020 04:22PM

spookwoman wrote: »

HSE Briefing
2 cycles in release of latest infections etc. The reports we get in the evening are from the morning cycle and they say tests turnaround is between 4 to 6 hours rather than days

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It's crazy that the test turnaround times are so long. It suggests the HSE really aren't getting to grips with testing at all.

It's not 4 - 6 hours anyway. I know of a case waiting days rather than hours.

4 to 6 hours is how long the actual analysis process takes. You have to take into account specimen transport and reporting. A sample coming from rural Kerry to Dublin isn't going to have a turnaround time of 4 hours.

There are now thousands of samples being sent to the NVRL. That causes a backlog. It's like traffic. You have to wait your turn.

Testing is being ramped up to be available in other hospitals around the country. People are so impatient, even in a crisis.

Do you want fast results or the right results?

facehugger99 · 13-03-2020 04:22PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Those most concerned and seeking action are the elderly fearing for their lives, hardly the "social media brigade".

Plenty of them pottering around the town today - they must be hiding their fear well.

Pseudonym121 · 13-03-2020 04:23PM

Yeah but he isn't wrong. In Ireland I'd be astounded if we had less than 700 infected people today. The criteria for doing a test were very strict. They'll be loosened going forward as more testing kits become available but until we do widespread testing our confirmed numbers will always be much less than the real number of infected.... and then at a certain point we'll move to symptomatic diagnosis ( where we diagnose on the basis of symptoms instead of on the basis of a confirmed test ). When community spread is really ramped up you'll find that community testing will stop and the testing kits will be diverted to hospitals to confirm need for admission and to test staff so we can keep the non-COVID portions of hospitals free from staff with COVID-19.

To be fair though the figures in all of Europe are much higher than are being reported because nowhere has enough testing kits so this isn't a case of government incompetence. This is simply what happens when you get a fast-moving epi/pandemic.

All of this focus on daily confirmed infections is really missing the point. What matters is that there is community spread and that we need to socially distance/isolate, handwash etc. Whether we have 70 cases or 700 we have to take the same steps.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-03-2020 04:23PM

74 new cases in Brazil.

is_that_so · 13-03-2020 04:23PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Those most concerned and seeking action are the elderly fearing for their lives, hardly the "social media brigade".

Out in the streets today saw and met a fair few elderly. They really didn't look that fearful at all.

drunkmonkey · 13-03-2020 04:23PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

I know this isn't an advice thread but I was planning on taking the girlfriend for a night or 2 away down the country somewhere this weekend, ye reckon its safe? and also if places will even be open ??

There open and booked. I'm off before the **** hits the fan. I did ask were there any Italians staying.

Boggles · 13-03-2020 04:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Out in the streets today saw and met a fair few elderly. They really didn't look that fearful at all.

Do you have "look" fearful to be fearful?

They are humans not comics.

Jim_Hodge · 13-03-2020 04:25PM

Ironicname wrote: »

Jesus. From what?

Was 590 yesterday.

facehugger99 · 13-03-2020 04:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Out in the streets today saw and met a fair few elderly. They really didn't look that fearful at all.

In my experience it's the lads in their 20's/30's that are the biggest fear-mongers. The older generation are far too sensible to buy into the hysteria being generated online.

Ardillaun · 13-03-2020 04:25PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I didn’t know Katie Porter until I watched this video but I’m in love. She strong-arms the guy with the authority to agree to start testing Americans for the Coronavirus for free. No bullshit.

She is excellent. Funny, too.

https://www.themarysue.com/katie-porter-bill-maher-meltdown/

Phibsboro · 13-03-2020 04:26PM

Scotty # wrote: »

lol.... he jumped from x10 to x20 there without a second thought.

The 10x and 20x come directly from Boris's press conference yesterday. They had 590 cases yesterday and said during the press conference that the real number was probably between 5,000 and 10,000 - which is 10X-20X current cases.

This lad is actually on the ball, definitely worth a listen.

WrenBoy · 13-03-2020 04:26PM

otnomart wrote: »

Austria locking down two areas: Paznaun and St.Anton
Also:
stopping visits to hospitals

bars and restaurants to close at 15 pm

only essential shops are open

15 PM !! Those are some hard workers

Ardent · 13-03-2020 04:27PM

VinLieger wrote: »

This is part of the reasons why a full lockdown is 100% on its way. I dont believe the Monday rumours but could easily happen by end of next week.

Use the army to lock down adhoc Paddy's Day celebrations I'd say.

Pseudonym121 · 13-03-2020 04:28PM

BetterWay wrote: »

Excellent post. But this part worries me

It shouldn't. There are no big conspiracies here. I just am speaking as an individual who happens to be a doctor and not an HSE or government representative. I started speaking out here a couple of weeks ago because it wasn't being communicated how serious it was and people weren't being given the opportunity to prepare in time. I felt an ethical and moral obligation to speak out on a personal level, informed by my training and clinical experience.

BUT I maintained a separation in roles between me as an individual and my HSE role as a Consultant and even up till now didn't say things which I could only know through my role.

I've always spoken from first principles and my understanding of statistics, epidemiology and pandemics, not from any knowledge of HSE actions.

What I will say is they're now taking it very seriously and I'm much, much more optimistic than I was 2 weeks ago... but no, none of you have the right to know the detailed preparations until they are officially publicly released and I won't break that... but they're all going in very much the right direction and if they were doing this 2 weeks ago I'd never have spoken up.

TDLR: Chill, it is all going in very much the right direction, there are no conspiracies.

Spook_ie · 13-03-2020 04:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

Paywalled. Can you quote the relevant bit?

Sorry no but it's basically the same as

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-millions-of-britons-will-need-to-contract-covid-19-for-herd-immunity-11956793

Kermit.de.frog · 13-03-2020 04:28PM

99 cases on the island of Ireland now.

We'll be well past 100 this evening.

completedit · 13-03-2020 04:28PM

This daily reporting of cases is pure nonsense. The virus is here. We know that.

Injuryprone · 13-03-2020 04:28PM

Where Boris' strategy falls down and something which seems to be missed in the current analysis is that the quoted 1% mortality rate is where the health system manages somewhat.

Looking at the numbers in Italy where the health system has been overrun, out of 15+k cases they've over 1k deaths which is over 6.5% and there's also only 1250 or so recovered so you could say out of the concluded cases, the death rate is near 50%!

I also think that those saying that Boris is just following his advisors advice are just wrong. What I think would more likely have happened is that the advisors would have given the politicians a few options of ways to go and Boris chose to go this way so they all have to roll with it. It's quite obvious that nearly all of the other countries have chosen the other option.

I understand there some sort of teleconference this evening for European leaders. I'd say unless the UK falls into line, travel from the UK should be cut off

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