Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) Read OP

alastair · 13-03-2020 02:44PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

With the influx on the way up from Turkey?? Close them to **** is right.

What influx is that? The Greek Turkey border is closed.

silver2020 · 13-03-2020 02:44PM

1123heavy wrote: »

Army shutdown of the country from Monday. Taoiseach will make announcement early Monday morning. Everything closed except shops on a restricted basis. No one going to/from work except those with special permission.

Basically Italy. This is the reason the army have been drafted, Garda do not have resources to police such a scenario.

please don't tell me you actually believed that whatsapp message of a recording going around.

Phibsboro · 13-03-2020 02:44PM

Yakult wrote: »

This is way too much of a common misconception. I really think people don't listen or something, crying out that it wont be cured or stopped in a few weeks with shutdowns.

Closing schools etc isn't to cure the virus or to stop it in it's tracks. It's to prevent a higher amount of people contracting it at the same time, putting too much pressure on our already fragile health system. They know people will get it regardless, but at a slower rate that will leviate the pressures on health workers.

Right, but the point is that shutdown will last until we get a solution, we aren't going to develop the healthcare capacity to remove the restrictions.

namloc1980 · 13-03-2020 02:45PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1238459708173881346?s=20

Government don't want to upset the horsey crowd for some reason.

spookwoman · 13-03-2020 02:45PM

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1238459218497277954?s=20

dominatinMC · 13-03-2020 02:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see the Czech Republic and Slovakia have decided to start closing their borders ignoring EU advice to maintain open borders.

Hard to disagree.

Close them, and keep them closed! Bloody EU and their obsession with open borders, free movement of people bull****. This is a crisis, exceptions have to be made, and governments of sovereign nations should be able to act in the best interests of their own people.

Longing · 13-03-2020 02:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see the Czech Republic and Slovakia have decided to start closing their borders ignoring EU advice to maintain open borders.

Hard to disagree.

One thing I have taken from this dreadful virus is all countries for themselves in the EU. No neighbourly help whatsoever. Even China have more of my respect today for helping Italy out in there time of need. European Union there is not much Union at all especially from Germany.

namloc1980 · 13-03-2020 02:46PM

wylo wrote: »

Germany's death rate is on a par with the flu at the moment though.

The German strain seems to be grand....

Mic 1972 · 13-03-2020 02:46PM

Countries not taking action are in for some very hard times ahead
There are horrors stories from Italy, people left dying at home, families left with dead relatives in the house for days
Waiting for herd immunity to build up can't be done without having restrictions

J Mysterio · 13-03-2020 02:47PM

laugh wrote: »

I'm really not understanding the attitude in the UK.

If they allow it to run rampant trying to achieve herd immunity their health service won't cope. People will die in their beds having never seen a health professional.

Their hope is that the impact to the wider economy won't be as bad, but someone is going to have to take care of these people at home?

That will likely take a lot of people out of the workforce and cause further spread of the virus ...

I'm really not getting it.

If they kill all their old people, they will have a stronger economy afterward.

Beanybabog · 13-03-2020 02:48PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Call your GP. If the stats are meaningless because people aren't coming forward, then we will have no idea where we are (baseline) and therefore no idea if any of the protection measures are working.

People still can’t get tested. I know someone at home with flu like symptoms and travelled from an affected area who has been waiting days now for someone to get back to him.

Silverfish · 13-03-2020 02:48PM

Longing wrote: »

One thing I have taken from this dreadful virus is all countries for themselves in the EU. No neighbourly help whatsoever. Even China have more of my respect today for helping Italy out in there time of need. European Union there is not much Union at all especially from Germany.

Its a shame, but what country had resources to give? Most if not all are now facing the same battle Italy is, I doubt they have anything to spare.

DOCARCH · 13-03-2020 02:48PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

If they kill all their old people, they will have a stronger economy afterward.

....but a smaller one!

Sam Quentin · 13-03-2020 02:49PM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Why are people not wearing masks in Ireland? (very very few anyway)

BloodBath wrote: »

Because they are almost useless on their own and our current infection rate is very very low.

I don't believe that and I think a mask is a positive add on.

el Fenomeno · 13-03-2020 02:49PM

I'm still waiting for the right time to open my novelty seal cushions that came from Wuhan last month

Strazdas · 13-03-2020 02:50PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1238459218497277954?s=20

I would imagine the army is merely needed for manpower back up. It's nothing to do with curfews or riots or anything like that.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-03-2020 02:50PM

Iran's militarily to take to the streets of their country in 24 hours on the orders of the government.

Streets will be cleared and everyone's movements monitored to enforce quarantine.

What happens when things are allowed spiral out of control.

Field east · 13-03-2020 02:50PM

It is naive to think that people will not engage in a certain level of stock piling in a situation that currently exists and the uncertainty over the next few weeks at least. min Humphries has just been on radio saying that we should shop as we normally do - as the retail industry is telling her that the supply lines will be capable of keeping supplies up, etc, etc, etc. So she is saying, ‘take a step back and shop as you normally do’ . This specific issue , IMO , has been very badly thought true.. WHY!.
Gov policy is to reduce contact, reduce going out, stick around your home/accomodation and other such actions /non actions as appropriate.
Would it not make perfect sense then for the Government to encourage people to buy , for example, two weeks supplies instead of one week’s supply thereby reducing their exposure in public areas/ mixing with the public.. this would also help supply chains as the chain is not required to deal with big volumes - which would be the case if there was a major run on supplies.

So , it should encourage a certain level of ‘stock piling’ and giving the reason that it contributes to reducing the risk of contacting the virus. It’s a sort of win win situation

amadangomor · 13-03-2020 02:50PM

Longing wrote: »

One thing I have taken from this dreadful virus is all countries for themselves in the EU. No neighbourly help whatsoever. Even China have more of my respect today for helping Italy out in there time of need. European Union there is not much Union at all especially from Germany.

Yeh. The politicians know what's coming for every country though and would be political suicide to give over resources to another country when everyone will be stretched past limit in the next few months.

They are voted in by their own electorate so reality is they will look after them first.

silver2020 · 13-03-2020 02:50PM

jmayo wrote: »

This crisis is going to highlight how cr** our health service is, but also how pi**poor our military, security services are as well.
And that is all down to successive governments, all politicians and indeed the voters who have never really cared.

Like everything else we fooking do in this country we sleepwalk into things before we start trying to get serious.

History has shown that when we do take hard decisions, they tend to have been the correct ones.

As for the health service - I've always said that bed blockers are a huge issue (I have a neighbour as a manager of a large hospital), the other big issue is people presenting themselves to a&e with the most minor of ailments that in most countries wouldn't even require a gp visit.

This crisis has seen utter miraculous recoveries of bed blockers and sudden non requirement for a&e of those who at any other time would be crying about the gubberment and the state of the hospitals.

Check the hospitals yourself - there are available beds in EVERY hospital today. A&Es are practically empty.

The hypocondriacs suddenly are better.

Phibsboro · 13-03-2020 02:51PM

Strazdas wrote: »

It should be stressed though the HSE are by no means anticipating 10k cases, that would be an absolute worst case scenario but which they have to legislate for.

I watched the HSE press conference : they say the aim is to keep it down to around 1000 cases over five weeks (an average of 200 a week). They think without the partial lockdown, it could be at least double this for the first few weeks.

I cannot believe the HSE are saying that. There isn't a chance that we will stay under 200 a week. Based on the rate of spread so far we will hit over 1000 by Paddy's day. EDIT - Sorry, wrong on the 10%, if we get it down to 10% a day it will be 4 weeks before we hit a 1000.

Pacing Mule · 13-03-2020 02:51PM

Food for thought

dublin99 · 13-03-2020 02:51PM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Why are people not wearing masks in Ireland? (very very few anyway)

1. People here don't have the same level of awareness as people who had first hand experience of Sars. Look at places like Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore where the spread has stopped (no new case in Macau for over a month) or is very much under control (through quarantine and contact tracing), everyone wears a mask. This has protected the mass population from invisible or asymptomatic /pre-symptomatic spreaders in the community.

2. People genuinely believe that masks are useless. The fact is that there aren't enough. If they are useless, then why do they say save the masks for those (medical frontliners) who need them most?

Apparently, specialist doctors in local hospitals in other areas eg pediatricians, obstetricians etc have been told if the number of cases increase dramatically, they will be redeployed to general medicine ie look after Covid cases.

expectationlost · 13-03-2020 02:51PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the right time to open my novelty seal cushions that came from Wuhan last month

is it well sealed?

Bob24 · 13-03-2020 02:51PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Countries not taking action are in for some very hard times ahead
There are horrors stories from Italy, people left dying at home, families left with dead relatives in the house for days
Waiting for herd immunity to build up can't be done without having restrictions

This crisis will certainly make or break leaders depending on how they manage the situation.

But besides Xi and China who look like they will come out of this stronger, it is a bit early for me to make calls elsewhere.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-03-2020 02:52PM

Beasty wrote: »

Another point to mention specific to the Irish figures

The only place I have seen 2 deaths noted is in this thread. I have done searches and it appears that some reports of the first death were mistakenly assumed to be a second death. Someone in Naas has also been mentioned. This has not been reported. Please bear in mind that, unfortunately, people die every day and in the current climate people can very easily put 2 and 2 together and get 5.

I have said previously there is almost certainly some delay in the release of figures. Please stick to the "official" figures as posting stuff you think you "know" can only cause confusion when most people do rely on official communications, and indeed helps create inaccurate rumours

The first death was in Naas hospital. Irish Time article:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/public-told-to-limit-social-contacts-following-first-covid-19-death-1.4200305?mode=amp

Poorside · 13-03-2020 02:52PM

Field east wrote: »

It is naive to think that people will not engage in a certain level of stock piling in a situation that currently exists and the uncertainty over the next few weeks at least. min Humphries has just been on radio saying that we should shop as we normally do - as the retail industry is telling her that the supply lines will be capable of keeping supplies up, etc, etc, etc. So she is saying, ‘take a step back and shop as you normally do’ . This specific issue , IMO , has been very badly thought true.. WHY!.
Gov policy is to reduce contact, reduce going out, stick around your home/accomodation and other such actions /non actions as appropriate.
Would it not make perfect sense then for the Government to encourage people to buy , for example, two weeks supplies instead of one week’s supply thereby reducing their exposure in public areas/ mixing with the public.. this would also help supply chains as the chain is not required to deal with big volumes - which would be the case if there was a major run on supplies.

So , it should encourage a certain level of ‘stock piling’ and giving the reason that it contributes to reducing the risk of contacting the virus. It’s a sort of win win situation

If they mention stockpiling people will go absolutely nuts, look what's happening when they tell people not to stock pile.

s7ryf3925pivug · 13-03-2020 02:53PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The German strain seems to be grand....

Apparently they have sophisticated machines to oxygenate the blood, and a well-funded health service.

J Mysterio · 13-03-2020 02:53PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

....but a smaller one!

They are due a smaller economy anyway as they are leaving the single market.

Evil Tory bastards might see the virus as an opportunity to reset the country and remove financial liability.

Measures needed to have been taken already.

spookwoman · 13-03-2020 02:53PM

??? What the... liveline will be fun

https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1238462897774366723?s=20

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