Random EV thoughts.....

KCross · 09-03-2020 11:56AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Anyone with any sort of machinery, cattle milking, anything like that, would generally have 3 phase.

That wouldnt be true of farmers. By their nature most farms are rural and hence connection costs for 3ph are prohibitive. Im sure some have it but it would be a small minority.

The milking machine(and coolers) would generally be the biggest electric draw on a farm and they can run on single phase fine.

Lumen · 09-03-2020 07:40PM

Spotted a LHD Ligier Nova today.

Crazy little thing! Out of town it was being driven in the gutter as if it were a bicycle. :pac:

liamog · 11-03-2020 06:03PM

UK has removed BIK on EV's and removed the luxury >£40k tax. Means there should be strong sales there for the next few years, and hopefully some import bargains in around 2 years.

ELM327 · 12-03-2020 10:02AM

£3.5k grant removed for >50k cars though
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plug-in-vehicle-grants-update-following-todays-budget

Round Cable · 12-03-2020 10:07AM

liamog wrote: »

UK has removed BIK on EV's and removed the luxury >£40k tax. Means there should be strong sales there for the next few years, and hopefully some import bargains in around 2 years.

By that stage though, importing from the UK, will mean importing from outside the EU. So this will see more complications and VAT payment required.

ELM327 · 12-03-2020 10:22AM

Round Cable wrote: »

By that stage though, importing from the UK, will mean importing from outside the EU. So this will see more complications and VAT payment required.

Can I have the lotto numbers for next week?

unkel · 12-03-2020 11:44AM

ELM327 wrote: »

£3.5k grant removed for >50k cars though
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plug-in-vehicle-grants-update-following-todays-budget

That means a lot of SR+ and LR Model 3 will be sold, but not so much the Performance. Still good news for prospective EV buyers.

KCross · 12-03-2020 12:00PM

unkel wrote: »

That means a lot of SR+ and LR Model 3 will be sold, but not so much the Performance. Still good news for prospective EV buyers.

I think it excludes the LR as well. The price in the UK for the LR is £47990 after the £3500 grant, so it is technically above £50k RRP

ELM327 · 12-03-2020 12:07PM

KCross wrote: »

I think it excludes the LR as well. The price in the UK for the LR is £47990 after the £3500 grant, so it is technically above £50k RRP

I'd say there will be a price change by Tesla for that

KCross · 12-03-2020 12:13PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd say there will be a price change by Tesla for that

True, for the sake of £1500 it would open up a few more sales. Having said that, their grant isnt massive anyway (£3500) so its not likely to affect sales that much for someone who is spending £50k... relative to our €10k grant/relief!

Mickeroo · 12-03-2020 12:14PM

KCross wrote: »

True, for the sake of £1500 it would open up a few more sales. Having said that, their grant isnt massive anyway... £3500... relative to our €10k!

Technically our grant is only 5k though aint it as the other 5k is a VRT rebate?

KCross · 12-03-2020 12:16PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Technically our grant is only 5k though aint it as the other 5k is a VRT rebate?

Same difference really.... its €10k off the price to the consumer.

Mickeroo · 12-03-2020 12:30PM

KCross wrote: »

Same difference really.... its €10k off the price to the consumer.

Do we see the benefit in the on the road price here compared to the UK though?

unkel · 12-03-2020 12:47PM

KCross wrote: »

I think it excludes the LR as well. The price in the UK for the LR is £47990 after the £3500 grant, so it is technically above £50k RRP

Good point. Will lead to the same result as in the Netherlands - vast majority of company car Tesla Model 3 will be the SR+

MJohnston · 12-03-2020 01:11PM

Boy am I glad to have an EV right now, how long do you reckon before people are panic buying petrol/diesel?

Mickeroo · 12-03-2020 01:13PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Boy am I glad to have an EV right now, how long do you reckon before people are panic buying petrol/diesel?

I don't think that will be a thing really, people will be travelling less so if anything fuel sales will go down.

MJohnston · 12-03-2020 02:28PM

You’re thinking about that too rationally! There’s no reason for people to be panic buying most of the stuff they are, but they’re doing it anyway. If people knew there was a big snowfall on the way, they’d be filling up, and I think they’re behaving much the same in this case. Let’s see though!

AndyBoBandy · 12-03-2020 03:02PM

Things would have to get fairly biblical for things like food & fuel to go into short supply.

A Farmer out picking his carrots or potatoes is in no danger of being prohibited by the coronavirus. Granted there will be packaging & distribution involved in getting those carrots and potatoes to your local shop, but things like that will not stop. At worst case additional protocol will be put in place to mitigate against the spread, but these sort of things will not stop.

Mickeroo · 12-03-2020 03:03PM

MJohnston wrote: »

You’re thinking about that too rationally! There’s no reason for people to be panic buying most of the stuff they are, but they’re doing it anyway. If people knew there was a big snowfall on the way, they’d be filling up, and I think they’re behaving much the same in this case. Let’s see though!

Fair point, I have a bad habit of giving people too much credit and forget a large portion of the population revert to making rash illogical decisions based on fear like some kind of animal when there's a public holiday much less a genuine crisis facing the country :pac:

MJohnston · 12-03-2020 04:41PM

I mean lookit:
https://twitter.com/brophy/status/1238083760328970240

Round Cable · 12-03-2020 05:18PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Can I have the lotto numbers for next week?

4, 12, 31, 34, 39, 41

Best of luck :P

Idbatterim · 12-03-2020 10:47PM

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/uks-first-electric-forecourt-is-under-construction/ar-BB115BgJ?ocid=spartandhp

12-03-2020 11:10PM

Round Cable wrote: »

4, 12, 31, 34, 39, 41

Best of luck :P

I'd really laugh if they came out and no one picked them!

MJohnston · 13-03-2020 01:30AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/uks-first-electric-forecourt-is-under-construction/ar-BB115BgJ?ocid=spartandhp

Good placement of points there. Should suit pretty much everyone, unlike ESB's positioning.

The Black Oil · 13-03-2020 10:22AM

Heard a Hyundai radio ad. It included a line about self-charging hybrids. A little dig at Toyota?

KCross · 13-03-2020 02:32PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/applegreen-dropping-fuel-prices-by-up-to-10c-per-litre-987726.html

Thats a big drop. I wonder how long that will last... depends on the Saudi's I guess.

Will it change anyone's mind about switching to EV... maybe!

Idbatterim · 13-03-2020 02:37PM

it would have some impact, but people spending tens of thousands to change now, with this extra economic uncertainty, would have a far bigger impact IMO...

13-03-2020 02:38PM

KCross wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/applegreen-dropping-fuel-prices-by-up-to-10c-per-litre-987726.html

Thats a big drop. I wonder how long that will last... depends on the Saudi's I guess.

Will it change anyone's mind about switching to EV... maybe!

And whether Russia decides it wants to kill off the US frackers, they could keep the price low for many months.

The long term low running costs of EVs will probably win out, short term could be different for people who are buying on PCPs or frequently change cars, they may not see the EV running cost benefits.

slave1 · 13-03-2020 05:49PM

For those looking at UK imports, just grabbed some sterling at 0.888 fx rate, best in a while

unkel · 13-03-2020 06:24PM

slave1 wrote: »

For those looking at UK imports, just grabbed some sterling at 0.888 fx rate, best in a while

Tell me about it. I got a very pleasant surprise when I saw how much EUR my GBP payment to Tesla cost me

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