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Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,446 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    trump sounds like hes caught some bug himself in that speech to the nation...was caught for breath a good few times

    That's his usual way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It didnt and wont prevent the spread but it does buy some time, which I think is all that can be done at this stage. I hope its used wisely
    With more than 1,000 diagnosed cases in the US (despite very low rates of testing) and major clusters in California, Washington, Massachussets and New York, I think the US is past the point where stopping some arrivals from Schengenland could make a material difference to the rate at which the disease continues to spread. Internal movement restrictions might buy some time, but I don't know how feasible that would be, politically, practically or legally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Get another way into work?

    Easier said than done for a huge number of people.

    I have a car and could drive in but parking would cost me almost €40 a day. I can’t afford that on an indefinite basis.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    New Home wrote: »
    There's a collection ongoing for Brescia Hospital (from www.giornaledibrescia.it:


    As of 6PM last night they had collected close to €5M!! No mean feat, especially considering there's no minimum wage in Italy.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    On Dublin bus and some lad in his early 20s is constantly sniffing and the odd cough. kicker is he is sitting right beside me. Now he brought out some hand sanitizer.

    ... I'm fuc*ed lads :pac:
    If not this bloke the whole Dublin bus thing. I make a joke but ****ing hell.

    He has a cold... You're fine


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    He has a cold... You're fine

    Hope so :p
    But what about the other 50+ people on this bus :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,446 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    He has a cold... You're fine

    I'm in awe at your remote diagnosis abilities.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    trump sounds like hes caught some bug himself in that speech to the nation...was caught for breath a good few times

    Even if he has would he admit it publicly and make things even worse than they already are? I doubt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    David McCullogh on Prime Time the other night asked Harris about the logic of letting 3Arena concerts go ahead, 13,000 capacity.

    And I see now a Broadway Usher has the virus after working in two theatres over 3 or 4 days. The show must go on says the producers. It’s all a bit mad.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/theater/broadway-show-usher-coronavirus.html?0p19G=3248

    It seems like once this is in the a country lockdown is the only way to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    With more than 1,000 diagnosed cases in the US (despite very low rates of testing) and major clusters in California, Washington, Massachussets and New York, I think the US is past the point where stopping some arrivals from Schengenland could make a material difference to the rate at which the disease continues to spread. Internal movement restrictions might buy some time, but I don't know how feasible that would be, politically, practically or legally.

    It would make sense if it was combined with containment measures within the country. But in isolation yes it is futile.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    Easier said than done for a huge number of people.

    I have a car and could drive in but parking would cost me almost €40 a day. I can’t afford that on an indefinite basis.

    Cycle?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/fallon_donal/status/1233140608912568337


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    It comes down to the fact that Trump's a jingoistic xenophobe and that has played through all of his rhetoric in his presidency.

    He went on TV to blame foreigners for the outbreak. It was a simple as that. He even referred to it as a "foreign virus" then went on a rant about the European Union for some reason.

    Not only that but he made a hash of the statement by implying that it also applied to goods and did not mention the Schengen free travel area, rather just want on a rampage about the European Union and 'seeding' and all sorts of weird stuff.

    He's managed to politicise the COVID19 mess in domestically in the US, provide little or no leadership, just fear of others and blaming the Democrats anytime he can.

    To him this is all about the November election and settling scores.

    He is quite literally the last person you would want to have in charge during a crisis like this. Anyone would be better! Even all of the previous GOP presidents would be leagues ahead of this guy.

    It's been spin and 'make America great' claptrap without any serious help like making testing and hospital treatment available to people who need it.

    I was talking to a friend of mine in the US who isn't all that well off and has dubious insurance cover and he basically reckons he's not going to survive this and is hiding in his house afraid to go outside on the basis that if he catches this he is pretty sure he will have no help at all. He was saying he can't afford to get tested, and even if he did get tested, he'd be potentially left with a huge bill for hospital anyway, so he's not going to even expose himself to that. Instead, like I would suspect many others, he's just going to hide.

    Even if he developed symptoms, it's quite likely he wouldn't go near healthcare as there's a very large risk of an enormous bill.

    So not only is the US not testing, but they will probably have a whole load of people who won't come forward even if they have it and there are even more who will turn up for work regardless of who sick they are, and they already do this with flu and other illnesses.

    There's also huge variation from state to state depending on who's been in charge over the years. Some of the more developed / progressive states have a lot more systems in place than some of the more conservative ones that have either never had or have slashed and burned public programmes.

    All Trump wants to do is create some fantasy nonsense about how the US is different, special, exceptional. When it comes to a virus of this type going pandemic, if it overwhelmed very developed healthcare systems in Europe, it has every ability to do precisely the same in the US, just generating enormous bills along the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    1

    From when the Spanish flu was at large in Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Volthar


    Even if he has would he admit it publicly and make things even worse than they already are? I doubt it.

    Just a couple of days ago Trump said Covid-19 is just like the flu, fake news and hoax to create chaos. Why this sudden change of heart?


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I'm in awe at your remote diagnosis abilities.

    Look up the symptoms of covid 19 and see how easy it was to diagnose from this remote

    Edit :
    Just in case you don't know, see attached


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Absolutely! This is not the apocalypse. If you get it you’ve a 98% chance of recovery ffs!

    The 80% mild to moderate includes people with pneumonia. That's classified as mild when breaking down this disease. I don't class that as mild.

    Of the severe. They require mechanical ventilation. What is that actually? How does it work. A lot of people who go this route subsequently die from additional infection such as fungal and bacterial. Again I've no idea why.

    The very worst get blood pumped out oxygen put in blood then back in.

    Mental.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,872 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Judging by traffic in Dublin, a lot of people have abandoned public transport. They’ve closed the south bore of the tunnel due to traffic.

    My bus was about 50% as full as yesterday. Seriously eerie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Xertz wrote: »
    It comes down to the fact that Trump's a jingoistic xenophobe and that has played through all of his rhetoric in his presidency.

    All Western leaders have let their ideology drive their reaction.

    Trumps starts with international travel restrictions and ignores local measures as that’s what his ideology tells him.

    Most of Western European countries ignored the issue at first and are now (slowly) starting with local measures . But they are still refusing international travel restrictions because of the ideology of their leaders telling them free movement of people is more important than literally anything.

    Reality is: to contain the epidemic you both need to slow contagion within a country AND to avoid importing new cases to that country (which a few Asian countries are doing).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Volthar wrote: »
    Just a couple of days ago Trump said Covid-19 is just like the flu, fake news and hoax to create chaos. Why this sudden change of heart?
    The election in November and a feared risk of losing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    You're my official unofficial head wreck too.
    Please stop with the self important highlighting.


    I read in a medical journal that the use of bold font slows the virus by a factor of 50. (not the suncream)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    He has a cold... You're fine
    I'm sure a fair few Italian commuters thought the same thing!


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    murphaph wrote: »
    I'm sure a fair few Italian commuters thought the same thing!

    If they had a running nose and the odd cough, then chances are they had a cold.

    Educate yourself.

    It could save you a lot of mental anguish in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Xertz wrote: »

    He went on TV to blame foreigners for the outbreak. It was a simple as that. He even referred to it as a "foreign virus" then went on a rant about the European Union for some reason.

    He didn't blame foreigners for the virus. If it wasn't a foreign virus then it would make no sense to ban flights into the country (unless he wanted to protect Europeans from returning with it). It's a bit late now I agree because it came into the US from Europe most likely just like we got it from Italy, not China.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Hubs was slated to go on a stag on the continent this weekend. He was thinking of cancelling today anyway because of my potentially immunocompromised status. We were going to ask my doctor for advice. Just as he was about to whatapps the group, the stag messaged and cancelled. I think the stag left it so late out of guilt for the money people will lose but sure it’s not his fault. I’m relieved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    My bus was about 50% as full as yesterday. Seriously eerie.
    I honestly have noticed zero difference in my bus route rammed as always


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bob24 wrote: »
    All Western leaders have let their ideology drive their reaction.

    Trumps starts with international travel restrictions and ignores local measures as that’s what his ideology tells him.

    Most of Europe ignored the issue first and is not starting local measures but still refusing international travel restrictions become if the ideology of their leaders.

    Reality is: to contain the epidemic you both need to slow contagion within a country AND to avoid importing new cases (which a few Asian countries are doing).
    It will go past containment in pretty much most countries. The general overview of it at this stage, China & S Korea aside, is that it's flattening the curve is where efforts will mostly be focused. As Holohan said yesterday so much is unknown here. A microbiologist on MI made a point that a true number of infected will be very hard to determine as some could have been through it with little to no effect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Bob24 wrote: »
    All Western leaders have let their ideology drive their reaction.

    Trumps starts with international travel restrictions and ignores local measures as that’s what his ideology tells him.

    Most of Western Europe ignored the issue first and is now slowly starting with local measures but still refusing international travel restrictions because of the ideology of their leaders telling them free movement of people is more important than literally anything.

    Reality is: to contain the epidemic you both need to slow contagion within a country AND to avoid importing new cases to that country (which a few Asian countries are doing).

    To be quite honest, I think nobody in Europe really understood the magnitude of what was about to happen. If you had told someone in Italy or anywhere else that there would be a crisis on that scale, you'd have been told you were deluded or paranoid.

    It's an unprecedented disaster and it really has changed thinking a lot over the last few days, not even weeks.

    It's not so much ideology in Europe as just unimaginable scale of impact of a disease. Nobody really has any experience dealing with a pandemic in modern times. We've all lived through some of the healthiest periods in human history, as have most of our parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    AllForIt wrote: »
    He didn't blame foreigners for the virus. If it wasn't a foreign virus then it would make no sense to ban flights into the country (unless he wanted to protect Europeans from returning with it). It's a bit late now I agree because it came into the US from Europe most likely just like we got it from Italy, not China.
    It came into the US from China. We know this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,464 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Look up the symptoms of covid 19 and see how easy it was to diagnose from this remote

    Edit :
    Just in case you don't know, see attached

    Can we get that diagnosis chart stickied! Stat!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Has anyone any decent studies focused on case progression and symptom progression? Also, what home remedies are used to deal with mild symptoms inc " mild pnuemonia" if that is such a thing? or can someone point me to a good study 're same


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