Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course not.

Viruses require hosts and it does not work if it's killing off future victims. Supply and demand I guess.

That's dark man.

sdanseo wrote: »

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.



As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

Private insurance is going to explode cost wise for those that do given the demands that will be made on it.

And even those that do have it, they don't get sick pay for the most part.

sdanseo wrote: »

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.



As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

Some health insurers could go bust over this. Add in billions in travel insurance payouts and lost business/business contingency insurance and this could be the 2008 of the global insurance industry.

Strazdas wrote: »

Effectively a flight ban though. Most European carriers will not fly to the US if they can only carry American passengers.

An interesting side effect is that it makes it virtually impossible for any American to holiday in Europe (will they even get back in?)

There'll be some flights, at least, to cater for US citizens/perm residents who want to make the trip. And of course there'll be flights from non-Schengen countries, so a US person in, say, Paris who couldn't find a seat on a Paris-NY flight could fly or take the train to London, and then travel London-NY.

The worrying thing in the States is that there is NO information locally about where cases are creeping in. I know only a few cases in Chicago and Madison. It has been reported that a family in Iowa were supposed to be in self isolation but went out shopping and the kids mixed with other kids.

People, in general, where I am have NO concept of this virus. I have been preparing for this for a number of weeks. Tomorrow marks things becoming REAL for staff and people who interact with the office.

My own opinion is that the USA has NO idea how many actual cases it has.

It worries the hell out of me that such draconian measures are being taken to ban all travel, this from someone who didn’t seem to take it seriously until this evening. what are they NOT telling people.

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus.

Source?

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus. So if you're healthy and under 70 (and probably over 70 also) you have very little to worry about.

0.9% of detected lab confirmed cases.

Mundane reasoning, and its not verifiable by anything other than instinct, but there are too many people cropping up in the media as confirmed from travel to Italy at a time when Italy only had a few hundred cases. It's almost statistically impossible that with a 2 to 14 day incubation period 30+ people would be detected in Ireland while Italy had less than 10k. For that many to have it, and many of those cases and clusters are seperate, it would have to have been widespread in Italy already.

There are probably many millions already infected worldwide. And that reduces the mortality statistics by at least one, and possibly several, orders of magnitude. In Europe at least, I would say almost all if not all deaths are being accurately recorded.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Some health insurers could go bust over this. Add in billions in travel insurance payouts and lost business/business contingency insurance and this could be the 2008 of the global insurance industry.

Not sure about that - there are no expensive drugs to treat this and it will be public A&E departments that will deal with serious cases. HSE will likely take over private health care facilities if numbers creep up.

pad199207 wrote: »

Oil fallen another 6%. Gas how it never suddenly plunges in the filling stations.

I got diesel today for 1.20 litre

Ficheall wrote: »

Source?

Looks like no peer reviewed documentation will be forthcoming to back up that assertion unfortunately.

Off to bed. I can see the next 100 pages being about trump's 'political' decisions and not about Covid-19. He's an idiot we all know that but hasn't thankfully made any direct decisions in that speech that are going to actually aid the spread of this thing in fact it looks like he's done the opposite! Don't understand the objections ,i was actually begginning to think we were beyond the point of feeling slightly 'inconvenced'. Maybe 2morrow we'll have gotten over it and concentrate on Ireland and Europe again as that ain't going away any time soon.

Ficheall wrote: »

Source?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

bekker wrote: »

Source?

Chinese CDC documented underlying conditions, if any, for fewer than half of the 44,600 confirmed cases it studied.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-they-are-surprisingly-common/?sf231272833=1

See link above.

Pre-existing medical conditions (comorbidities)
Patients who reported no pre-existing ("comorbid") medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.

NSAman wrote: »

The worrying thing in the States is that there is NO information locally about where cases are creeping in. I know only a few cases in Chicago and Madison. It has been reported that a family in Iowa were supposed to be in self isolation but went out shopping and the kids mixed with other kids.

People, in general, where I am have NO concept of this virus. I have been preparing for this for a number of weeks. Tomorrow marks things becoming REAL for staff and people who interact with the office.

My own opinion is that the USA has NO idea how many actual cases it has.

It worries the hell out of me that such draconian measures are being taken to ban all travel, this from someone who didn’t seem to take it seriously until this evening. what are they NOT telling people.

I agree. I was basically laughed at a few weeks ago when I expressed concern about a student from China, which was the epicentre at the time, spending 2 weeks in my daughters classroom. Only one person I know even gives the slightest sh!t about it and still thinks it will just go away when it gets warm in a few weeks. I know frontline medical workers who just don't think it's a big deal. While I'd like to find that reassuring, I'm not sure it is.

Alot of European airlines have suspended flights to Asian destinations, and were redeploying resources onto transatlantic routes to wait it out. This is a disaster for the aviation industry. I can think of at least one airline I would expect to collapse in the next 24 hours. Possible another couple to follow within the 30 days.