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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    You have to remember that this was Mars in the heart of the Federation (Sol). Also with the end of the Dominion war they wouldn't have expected a threat, certainly not from within or on that scale.

    Personally I always thought that the Breen attack on Earth during the latter stages of the war was strange. No cloaking devices but even allowing for the weapon they had, they've presumably managed to cut through multiple layers of significantly increased defences and systems with sufficient strength remaining to attack Earth, and yet they didn't irradiate the planet before they were chased off?

    Hmmm..

    It was probably a suicide run by the Breen. They probably dropped out of Warp just above Earth and started firing before they got destroyed or were chased out.

    You have to remember that this was Mars in the heart of the Federation (Sol). Also with the end of the Dominion war they wouldn't have expected a threat, certainly not from within or on that scale.

    Good point. Still if the starfleet intelligence agencies were doing there job it should not have happened. What were section 31 doing? I just thought how the Synth was hacked and then able to hack all the Mars systems seemed to show a lack of security on Starfleets part.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    AMKC wrote: »
    It was probably a suicide run by the Breen. They probably dropped out of Warp just above Earth and started firing before they got destroyed or were chased out.

    You have to remember that this was Mars in the heart of the Federation (Sol). Also with the end of the Dominion war they wouldn't have expected a threat, certainly not from within or on that scale.

    Good point. Still if the starfleet intelligence agencies were doing there job it should not have happened. What were section 31 doing? I just thought how the Synth was hacked and then able to hack all the Mars systems seemed to show a lack of security on Starfleets part.

    Never know, Section31 could be in on it.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So Robert Picardo might be back to reprises his role as the Doctor in the second season of Star Trek Picard.

    Not sure how true that is. I just seen it on FB.

    What would you think of this?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,354 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Would love to see him back. Himself and seven of nine were the best characters on Voyager. Could easily be worked into the AI storyline as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Depends on how far along his personality is at this point. Can honestly see the earlyEMH getting a rise out of Picard over something small... but it was shown that he progresses a lot into the future.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    AMKC wrote: »
    So Robert Picardo might be back to reprises his role as the Doctor in the second season of Star Trek Picard.

    Not sure how true that is. I just seen it on FB.

    What would you think of this?

    I want Miles O'Brien back!

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,807 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I want Miles O'Brien back!

    I actually don't want any more of the previous characters or cast back unless it's as a regular member of the show.

    Having these cameos is just frustrating as to what could have been, but then they're killing off half of them for no reason anyway (
    Icheb, Hugh
    ).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Greyjoy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Having these cameos is just frustrating as to what could have been, but then they're killing off half of them for no reason anyway (Icheb, Hugh).

    Yeah the Picard series has become a revolving door for bringing back TNG characters then killing them off for "shock" value. If they're not going to do anything substantial with the old characters don't bring them back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Guys.

    "Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** NO SPOILERS **]"

    Maybe we should just kill this thread 'cos this keeps happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I want Miles O'Brien back!

    Colm Meaney was on ''The Tommy Tiernan Show'' just saying in case you did not see my tread about it lol.
    pixelburp wrote: »
    Guys.

    "Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** NO SPOILERS **]"

    Maybe we should just kill this thread 'cos this keeps happening.

    No I don't think we should. People just need to not put any spoilers in there post.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I enjoyed seeing Riker and Troi again. It was pure nostalgia. Didnt really advance the plot much but it warmed my heart.
    Though I'm partly inclined to think Stewart is just too damn old for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I enjoyed seeing Riker and Troi again. It was pure nostalgia. Didnt really advance the plot much but it warmed my heart.
    Though I'm partly inclined to think Stewart is just too damn old for this.

    The bolded bit has been the problem with the whole show for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I want Miles O'Brien back!

    I don't think there is any chance of that happening unfortunately as he has let himself go and forgotten most of what he said and done on Star Trek. I suppose do if you not doing it you are going to forget it or just not be good at it anymore. He did however say the writing and stories were always very good. The one episode he did remember ''Past Tense'' is obviously his favorite or close to it s it was the one in brought up in his conversation with Tommy Tiernan.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I enjoyed seeing Riker and Troi again. It was pure nostalgia. Didnt really advance the plot much but it warmed my heart.
    Though I'm partly inclined to think Stewart is just too damn old for this.

    The bolded bit has been the problem with the whole show for me.

    It reminded me of "Family". I don't know if that episode advanced the arc of season 4 (such as it was), but maybe not every episode needs to do that, even in the age of serialised shows and binge-watching?

    Maybe if it warmed our hearts, that's worthwhile too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    I think one major problem ST:Picard has is it's a three hour story spread across eight hours. It reminds me of the CW DC Universe stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Evade wrote: »
    I think one major problem ST:Picard has is it's a three hour story spread across eight hours. It reminds me of the CW DC Universe stuff.

    I find the pace perfectly fine- it allows for a lot of character moments. If you don't like the characters, which I think we've established you do not, then I guess that won't be a pro.

    Plenty of the harsher critics of the show think it's too fast-paced, so it seems like the writers really can't win on that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    Plenty of the harsher critics of the show think it's too fast-paced, so it seems like the writers really can't win on that point.
    Could you post a few links? I'd love to know the arguments for it being fast paced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Greyjoy


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Though I'm partly inclined to think Stewart is just too damn old for this.

    As much as I'm enjoying this show I can't shake that feeling either. Given Stewart's age it really limits what the writers can do with his character. I think they missed the window for this show maybe 10 years ago. I also think the idea that people could criticise they show for being *too* fast paced ridiculous. Just because there's a lot happening in each episode doesn't mean the actual story has made any progress. We've only got a few episodes left in the season and the story has barely progressed from the pilot episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Evade wrote: »
    Could you post a few links? I'd love to know the arguments for it being fast paced.

    You can dismiss my claim as baseless, if you like. Burden of evidence or no, I don't have time to go hunting for citations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    You can dismiss my claim as baseless, if you like. Burden of evidence or no, I don't have time to go hunting for citations.
    I actually wanted to know what the arguments for it being too fast paced are and didn't think that a link was too much to ask for since there are many examples you've read/watched. Also, I didn't think your claim was baseless but I kind of do now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Greyjoy wrote: »
    As much as I'm enjoying this show I can't shake that feeling either. Given Stewart's age it really limits what the writers can do with his character. I think they missed the window for this show maybe 10 years ago. I also think the idea that people could criticise they show for being *too* fast paced ridiculous. Just because there's a lot happening in each episode doesn't mean the actual story has made any progress. We've only got a few episodes left in the season and the story has barely progressed from the pilot episode.

    They could assimilate him again. Awake the Borg ship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Evade wrote: »
    I actually wanted to know what the arguments for it being too fast paced are and didn't think that a link was too much to ask for since there are many examples you've read/watched. Also, I didn't think your claim was baseless but I kind of do now.

    That's ok, I don't mind you thinking that. I'm not trying to be dismissive of you either. Honestly, it's more about me not letting myself get dragged into, for example what "plenty" means, what sources are valid and invalid and all of that. It never stops at a link or two, is my point.

    Which is fine, sometimes. But I'm a compulsive internet arguer and genuinely don't have the time to indulge that impulse at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    I find the pace perfectly fine- it allows for a lot of character moments. If you don't like the characters, which I think we've established you do not, then I guess that won't be a pro.

    Plenty of the harsher critics of the show think it's too fast-paced, so it seems like the writers really can't win on that point.
    I get the disparity of opinion, it's paced very unevenly in my opinion. Like all modern Trek it's edited very quickly and can give the impression you've missed important plot details (wait, who was flying that old school Romulan Bird of Prey and where did Seven come from?) But then more often then not these details don't matter and then the plot will come to a complete standstill for more overwrought melodrama (Raffi's backstory for example...) I understand if you like the characters you might get more from these moments but it's all very shallow and inconsequential in my opinion.

    But overall the plot has barely progressed at all with a lot still seemingly to wrap up in just a couple of episodes, even allowing for a season 2. Nothing I've seen so far would fill me with optimism for how they will achieve this.


  • Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AMKC wrote: »
    I don't think there is any chance of that happening unfortunately as he has let himself go and forgotten most of what he said and done on Star Trek. I suppose do if you not doing it you are going to forget it or just not be good at it anymore. He did however say the writing and stories were always very good. The one episode he did remember ''Past Tense'' is obviously his favorite or close to it s it was the one in brought up in his conversation with Tommy Tiernan.

    Let himself go? Did you see Frakes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Let himself go? Did you see Frakes?

    I mean he has put on weight just like William Shatner has. Also did you see Colm Meaney's latest add. Its terrible. Don't get me wrong I would love to see him back in Star Trek as Myles O' Brian again. I think he is a good actor and should really have done better after DS9.
    If your on about Frakes in ''Picard'' I would say the was the look thy wanted him to have and thought he looked good.
    No idea what he looks like away from the camera now do.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭fixXxer


    Frakes has always been a big guy, I thought he looked well considering he's settled down outside of Star fleet. He looked worse in Enterprise where he was squeezed back in to uniform for the holodeck episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,354 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Nice interview with Jonathan Del Arco https://www.queerty.com/star-treks-jonathan-del-arco-fate-hugh-borg-life-actor-showbiz-peril-20200312

    Some of the more interesting bits: Looked like if Patrick Stewart had said no, they would have gone with Seven of Nine as the lead character. (which would have been awesome, here's hoping that might still happen after season 2).

    Apparently gay guys had a crush on Hugh? :confused: No accounting for taste though I do remember having a weird attraction to Gul Dukat on Deep Space Nine so can't really comment :)

    As an aside, he looks fantastic at 54 when he's out of the Borg make-up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭368100


    Stark wrote: »
    No accounting for taste though I do remember having a weird attraction to Gul Dukat on Deep Space Nine so can't really comment :)
    .

    :-S He was very skinny but youve reminded ne i had a big thing for Vedek Bareil.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭FGR


    Greyjoy wrote: »
    As much as I'm enjoying this show I can't shake that feeling either. Given Stewart's age it really limits what the writers can do with his character. I think they missed the window for this show maybe 10 years ago. I also think the idea that people could criticise they show for being *too* fast paced ridiculous. Just because there's a lot happening in each episode doesn't mean the actual story has made any progress. We've only got a few episodes left in the season and the story has barely progressed from the pilot episode.

    I think they could have gotten away with the age difficulties if the story had Stewart playing in service Admiral Picard as opposed to rebel on a great big adventure Picard.

    Had it been a small federation crew on a small fed ship like a nova class as opposed to this outlaw shuttle it would have mitigated the age disparity. Stewart as old style Picard wouldnt require as much suspension of belief as Captain Picard in TNG days was on the bridge, in the ready room or in his quarters 90% of the time.

    The other 10% in cardassian custody or being a borg of course.

    Plus it would have allowed for old school serious in charge Picard from TNG

    But all that said I'm still enjoying this show !

    Note: out of character movie Picard not included in this appraisal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 268 ✭✭tromtipp


    Stark wrote: »
    Nice interview with Jonathan Del Arco https://www.queerty.com/star-treks-jonathan-del-arco-fate-hugh-borg-life-actor-showbiz-peril-20200312

    Some of the more interesting bits: Looked like if Patrick Stewart had said no, they would have gone with Seven of Nine as the lead character. (which would have been awesome, here's hoping that might still happen after season 2).

    Apparently gay guys had a crush on Hugh? :confused: No accounting for taste though I do remember having a weird attraction to Gul Dukat on Deep Space Nine so can't really comment :)

    As an aside, he looks fantastic at 54 when he's out of the Borg make-up.
    In I, Borg, although the script and the other actors gave us a story of a borg being humanised by friendship, Del Arco totally played it as his being humanised/transformed by falling in love with Geordie (the way he says his name, that sidelong look at the end). He makes a sacrifice for the man he loves, and I can well imagine the episode and his part in it being important to gay guys, particularly at a time when many of them were closeted and when there were few unstereotyped gay characters on TV.


    His performance was brilliant and has aged well (as has he). I keep hoping there'll be some way of bringing him back.

    368100 wrote: »
    :-S He was very skinny but youve reminded ne i had a big thing for Vedek Bareil.....


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