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US Presidential Election 2020

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    #3152
    The Phantom Jipper
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Out of interest, if Sanders loses heavily in Michigan and gets blown out again in Mississippi and Missouri, will any of the Sanders supporters here be looking for him to drop out and endorse Biden? Curious what the tipping point is.


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    #3153
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,859 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Biden is home and hosed, the next series of primaries favour him massively. Just a question of picking a running mate and getting on with it.

    A year ago I said Biden/Harris on these pages and I see no reason to change it.


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    #3154
    Rjd2
    Registered Users Posts: 12,023 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Biden is home and hosed, the next series of primaries favour him massively. Just a question of picking a running mate and getting on with it.

    A year ago I said Biden/Harris on these pages and I see no reason to change it.

    Aye its done. Biden is an abomination of a candidate but he is obviously better than Trump and the Dems base have decided beating Trump not policy is more important this term.

    Harris and Amy K seem the obvious choices for VP and both are the betting favs.

    Bernie may as well hang on until the debate is done, doubtful Biden doesn't make a fool of himself in a 1 v 1 , but tbh he will be so far ahead and the corporate media will scream Putin~!!!, BERNIE BRO @! at anyone who points out his failings so if he were to drop out understandable.


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    #3155
    markodaly
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    Biden doing very well, say goodnight Bernie, although if Biden gets taken down with Covid-19 he may still have a chance.

    Attention now to the runnnig mate of Biden and I would be shocked if it was not a woman. Maybe even Warren!


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    #3156
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,859 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It won't be Warren ever. Its got to be someone with a clear path to 2 terms starting in 2024.

    Klobuchar is a lunatic, an irredeemable bully and staff abuser. I just can't see past Harris. Unless Gretchen Whitmer, but she seems a bit of a lightweight.

    I sure would love to still be around to see the first FPOTUS be a black liberal from California and watch the Trumpers lose their tiny minds. Maybe she could convert to judaism in the meantime and make it a full house.


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    #3157
    DreamsBurnDown
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    It's a shame Andrew Yang didn't get a bit more traction, a truly intelligent and accomplished candidate who is tuned in to the realities of the economy of today and tomorrow. Hopefully Biden will appoint him to a senior role.


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    #3158
    Rjd2
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    It won't be Warren ever. Its got to be someone with a clear path to 2 terms starting in 2024.

    Klobuchar is a lunatic, an irredeemable bully and staff abuser. I just can't see past Harris. Unless Gretchen Whitmer, but she seems a bit of a lightweight.

    Kloub isn't my cup of tea, but she is very popular in the rust belt and picking her would make it even harder for Trump to win those states.

    Warren's base is very small, college educated white liberals who love the NYT, what she would add to the ticket is very little.


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    #3159
    manual_man
    Registered Users Posts: 15,263 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Bernie vs Biden isn't a mere difference of opinion among left-wing voters, it's a massive ideological divide

    Expecting Bernie voters to get behind Biden - who is completely antithetical to their goals - is absurd

    Things can't continue as they are. There's a political civil war on the left. One of two things will happen. Either the Bernie Sanders / AOC wing separates and establishes a 3rd Party, or they eventually take over the Democrat Party itself. But something has to give.

    Biden is clearly unfit to be president. But the establishment protects the establishment. And it looks like they've decided that they'd rather lose to Trump with Biden than cede power to Sanders and the socialist progressive wing.


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    #3160
    Midster
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Midster


    I saw Trumps very relaxed tone, and nothing to worry about speech on the Coronavirus earlier. And I thought to myself, they don’t have free healthcare.
    Which means potentially if there is a big breakout of corona for the very first time ever, privately owned hospitals and doctors will have to be forced to take in the poor, as well as the rich.

    And then it hits me that this for him is going to be his D day,

    He swans a lot of stuff, but I don’t think he can afford to have millions of U.S Americans and none U.S Americans effected with corona and growing.

    Never mind his arrogant sexist, racist slurs, and never mind anything else, in all reality, if he gets this wrong, he’s done for. Simple as.

    But if per chance he can work it out, without crashing the economy or upsetting any more by Congress members, some of which might even be in the same political party as he is, do the absolutely impossible, and get all those private hospitals and doctors from all across the America, whatever state, working together to treat everyone as equals, the rich, the poor, the homeless, non us citizens, black and brown, whatever, and manage to get all of that to work together and give everyone equal care.
    If he can do that, then he will be a hero.

    What would you place your money on


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    #3161
    Rjd2
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    manual_man wrote: »
    Bernie vs Biden isn't a mere difference of opinion among left-wing voters, it's a massive ideological divide

    Expecting Bernie voters to get behind Biden - who is completely antithetical to their goals - is absurd

    Things can't continue as they are. There's a political civil war on the left. One of two things will happen. Either the Bernie Sanders / AOC wing separates and establishes a 3rd Party, or they eventually take over the Democrat Party itself. But something has to give.

    Biden is clearly unfit to be president. But the establishment protects the establishment. And it looks like they've decided that they'd rather lose to Trump with Biden than cede power to Sanders and the socialist progressive wing.


    Biden is awful, but the idea that Trump is strong fav against him in November is insane.


    You can see the turnout today and last Tuesday and its very impressive for Biden. The majority of people don't care about how crap Biden is on policies they feel he is the best man to beat Trump. These voters are yearning for the Obama years where supposedly everyone got on.

    Trump sneaked in 2016 by less than a 100 000 votes in the electorial college states so if Biden wins those suburban white voters which he looks like he has done last few weeks then its game over for Trump.

    Trump for all his bluster is far from invincible, he hasn't tried to make peace with the above suburban voters who find him vulgar and instead he has doubled down on his language.

    Their is also likely to be a recession this year and we have the CVirus which Trump is not handling well. Tbh I actually think in the betting Biden should be fav v Trump all said and done.

    Regarding the progressive movement? They need to find a way to get the boomers to vote for them, Bernie and Warren hired people who are able to reach twitter but twitter is not real life. Bernie did better with rural whites especially last time round, what went wrong this time?

    In the meantime the AOC mob can win primaries v the centre and hope demographic changes speed up the takeover.


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    #3162
    duploelabs
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    Rjd2 wrote: »
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    Warren's base is very small, college educated white liberals who love the NYT, what she would add to the ticket is very little.

    Small as it is, it got her to third place in the candidates


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    #3163
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Biden is awful, but the idea that Trump is strong fav against him in November is insane.


    You can see the turnout today and last Tuesday and its very impressive for Biden. The majority of people don't care about how crap Biden is on policies they feel he is the best man to beat Trump. These voters are yearning for the Obama years where supposedly everyone got on.

    Trump sneaked in 2016 by less than a 100 000 votes in the electorial college states so if Biden wins those suburban white voters which he looks like he has done last few weeks then its game over for Trump.

    Trump for all his bluster is far from invincible, he hasn't tried to make peace with the above suburban voters who find him vulgar and instead he has doubled down on his language.

    Their is also likely to be a recession this year and we have the CVirus which Trump is not handling well. Tbh I actually think in the betting Biden should be fav v Trump all said and done.

    Regarding the progressive movement? They need to find a way to get the boomers to vote for them, Bernie and Warren hired people who are able to reach twitter but twitter is not real life. Bernie did better with rural whites especially last time round, what went wrong this time?

    In the meantime the AOC mob can win primaries v the centre and hope demographic changes speed up the takeover.
    The above is bang on.

    It was mentioned by many here when there was talk about Biden running that he was the only one who could get to that demographic that is needed to swing the swing states, older, white, middle income, hard working, patriotic etc, boomers really.

    And his primary results are showing that.


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    #3164
    Dytalus
    Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭Dytalus


    DreamsBurnDown wrote: »
    It's a shame Andrew Yang didn't get a bit more traction, a truly intelligent and accomplished candidate who is tuned in to the realities of the economy of today and tomorrow. Hopefully Biden will appoint him to a senior role.

    Yang is young (comparatively to the rest) and has two organisations promoting progressive causes already set up. He got a fair bit of name recognition from this campaign (again comparatively to before) and if he plays his cards right he could grow substantially. Accepting a Biden position could go one of two ways: alienate his mostly progressive base, or show new supporters that he can get work done and has the ear of moderates.

    He's not done yet. I personally would have prioritised Warren or Sanders over Yang because of M4A and student debt as more immediate concerns, but automation and the UBI question is only going to get more relevant as time ticks on. I don't see Yang staying out of the political light for long.


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    #3165
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    manual_man wrote: »
    Bernie vs Biden isn't a mere difference of opinion among left-wing voters, it's a massive ideological divide

    Expecting Bernie voters to get behind Biden - who is completely antithetical to their goals - is absurd

    Things can't continue as they are. There's a political civil war on the left. One of two things will happen. Either the Bernie Sanders / AOC wing separates and establishes a 3rd Party, or they eventually take over the Democrat Party itself. But something has to give.

    Biden is clearly unfit to be president. But the establishment protects the establishment. And it looks like they've decided that they'd rather lose to Trump with Biden than cede power to Sanders and the socialist progressive wing.

    It's the problem of a hard two party system.

    Realistically there are 3 main groupings in the US.

    There are the hard right , tea-party ultra conservatives , there are moderate centrists (from both parties) and there are the those of the far left (in US terms).

    That centre group is probably the largest and most likely to vote in elections which is why Biden ends up being the candidate..

    There is no chance in hell that any of the right leaning Independents or wavering GOP voters vote for Sanders , they either abstain or vote for Trump.

    The Democrats need to win both sides of the that centre to win and for all his failings , Biden is the only candidate capable of that.


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    #3166
    [Deleted User]
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    I would say Warren was potentially similarly capable but overall agree with that assessment.


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    #3167
    The Nal
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    So what does Biden offer?


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    #3168
    Quin_Dub
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    The Nal wrote: »
    So what does Biden offer?

    The ability to beat Trump..That's it , that's all for now..

    He's not new , he's not different , but he can beat Trump.. The others cannot in the US as it exists today..


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    #3169
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    The ability to beat Trump..That's it , that's all for now..

    He's not new , he's not different , but he can beat Trump.

    Was kind of asking how? How does he beat Trump? He won't beat Trump just because you want him to.


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    #3170
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,740 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.


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    #3171
    everlast75
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.

    Do you think Biden has dementia and Trump does not?


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    #3172
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.

    Oranges of the investigation?

    Covfefe?

    Not able to spell his own name or his wife's?


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    #3173
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Dementia aside, why would they vote him in? What does he offer? When have the US electorate ever voted out a president during full employment?


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    #3174
    spacecoyote
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Dementia aside, why would they vote him in? What does he offer? When have the US electorate ever voted out a president during full employment?

    When has a US electorate ever had an incumbent president sitting on full employment still having a net approval rating of around -10

    Given the way the economy has been for the last couple of years, I'd imagine pretty much any other president would be sitting at least +20 at this point


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    #3175
    Water John
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    Biden has to reach out now to the younger progressive voter. He has to show that they have a seat at the table and their concerns are listened to and addressed.
    He has even last night swung to being Presidential, that is important. Lead the country because the post is vacant ATM. He needs to indicate that he will be more a Chairman of the Board at Cabinet level. That he will appoint really strong people from a whole range of backgrounds.


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    #3176
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,581 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The Nal wrote: »
    Dementia aside, why would they vote him in? What does he offer? When have the US electorate ever voted out a president during full employment?
    Bush Snr was the last sitting POTUS to lose a second term
    And that was entirely of his own doing ("No New Taxes")




    Ain't no way in hell creepy joe is going to beat trump.


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    #3177
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Bush Snr was the last sitting POTUS to lose a second term
    And that was entirely of his own doing ("No New Taxes")

    Ain't no way in hell creepy joe is going to beat trump.

    Agree yeah. Although he presided over a recession. He won a war, a just war, hiked taxes to curb a mini recession and got voted out.

    Again, no one seems to be able to say what Biden offers. Just "I hate Trump".


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    #3178
    Quin_Dub
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.

    Biden is the only one of the 3 Septuagenarians running for President that has released his medical records.


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    #3179
    [Deleted User]
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.

    Ronald Reagan... Also there's absolutely no indication that he's suffering from dementia. It's just a repeat of the stuff that happened with Clinton.


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    #3180
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    When has a US electorate ever had an incumbent president sitting on full employment still having a net approval rating of around -10

    Given the way the economy has been for the last couple of years, I'd imagine pretty much any other president would be sitting at least +20 at this point

    Reagan was on -21 in early 1983 while bringing the country out of recession with falling unemployment and won the 84 election by a landslide.

    This year is going to be a Reagan Mondale type trouncing. Huge parallels between the two elections.


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    #3181
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Bush Snr was the last sitting POTUS to lose a second term
    And that was entirely of his own doing ("No New Taxes")




    Ain't no way in hell creepy joe is going to beat trump.

    Funny you should mention GH Bush as it was him and Jimmy Carter who had similar approval ratings prior to the end of their first term.

    Neither won reelection.

    Trump has the same approval rating.


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