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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #8702
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Mortality rate (as of earlier today)

    China 80,761 3,136 Asia
    Italy 10,149 631 Europe
    Iran 8,042 291 Asia
    South Korea 7,513 58 Asia
    France 1,784 33 Europe
    Spain 1,674 35 Europe
    Germany 1,437 2 Europe
    Japan (+Diamond Princess) 1,277 17 Asia
    United States 787 28 North America
    Switzerland 497 3 Europe
    Netherlands 382 4 Europe
    United Kingdom 373 6 Europe
    Sweden 351 0 Europe
    Norway 304 0 Europe
    Belgium 267 0 Europe
    Denmark 262 0 Europe
    Austria 182 0 Europe
    Singapore 166 0 Asia
    Malaysia 129 0 Asia
    Hong Kong 121 3 Asia
    Bahrain 110 0 Asia
    Australia 103 3 Australia/Oceania
    Greece 89 0 Europe
    Canada 80 1 North America
    United Arab Emirates 74 0 Asia
    Iraq 71 7 Asia
    Iceland 69 0 Europe
    Kuwait 69 0 Asia
    Egypt 59 1 Africa
    Israel 58 0 Asia
    Czech Republic (Czechia) 58 0 Europe
    India 56 0 Asia
    Thailand 53 1 Asia
    Lebanon 52 1 Asia
    San Marino 51 2 Europe
    Taiwan 47 1 Asia
    Portugal 41 0 Europe
    Finland 40 0 Europe
    Ireland 34 0 Europe
    Philippines 33 1 Asia
    Brazil 31 0 South America
    Vietnam 31 0 Asia
    Slovenia 31 0 Europe
    Romania 28 0 Europe
    Indonesia 27 0 Asia
    State of Palestine 26 0 Asia
    Qatar 24 0 Asia
    Georgia 23 0 Asia
    Poland 21 0 Europe
    Russia 20 0 Europe
    Algeria 20 0 Africa
    Saudi Arabia 20 0 Asia
    Pakistan 19 0 Asia
    Oman 18 0 Asia
    Argentina 17 1 South America
    Chile 17 0 South America
    Ecuador 15 0 South America
    Croatia 14 0 Europe
    Estonia 13 0 Europe
    Costa Rica 13 0 North America
    Hungary 12 0 Europe
    Azerbaijan 11 0 Asia
    Peru 11 0 South America
    Macao 10 0 Asia
    Albania 10 0 Europe
    Belarus 9 0 Europe
    Latvia 8 0 Europe
    Mexico 7 0 North America
    North Macedonia 7 0 Europe
    Slovakia 7 0 Europe
    South Africa 7 0 Africa
    Tunisia 6 0 Africa
    Maldives 6 0 Asia
    Brunei 6 0 Asia
    New Zealand 5 0 Australia/Oceania
    Luxembourg 5 0 Europe
    Dominican Republic 5 0 North America
    Afghanistan 5 0 Asia
    French Guiana 5 0 South America
    Malta 5 0 Europe
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 5 0 Europe
    Serbia 5 0 Europe
    Senegal 4 0 Africa
    Bulgaria 4 0 Europe
    Morocco 3 1 Africa
    Cambodia 3 0 Asia
    Colombia 3 0 South America
    Moldova 3 0 Europe
    Bangladesh 3 0 Asia
    Nigeria 2 0 Africa
    Saint Martin 2 0 North America
    Faeroe Islands 2 0 Europe
    Channel Islands 2 0 Europe
    Paraguay 2 0 South America
    Cyprus 2 0 Asia
    Burkina Faso 2 0 Africa
    Martinique 2 0 North America
    Cameroon 2 0 Africa
    Sri Lanka 1 0 Asia
    Armenia 1 0 Asia
    Ukraine 1 0 Europe
    Andorra 1 0 Europe
    Nepal 1 0 Asia
    Lithuania 1 0 Europe
    Jordan 1 0 Asia
    Monaco 1 0 Europe
    Saint Barthelemy 1 0 caribbean
    Liechtenstein 1 0 Europe
    Togo 1 0 Africa
    Mongolia 1 0 Asia
    Holy See 1 0 Europe
    Bhutan 1 0 Asia
    Gibraltar 1 0 Europe
    Panama 1 0 North America


  • #8703
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    This thread would have you paranoid. My job entails calling from house to house and i find people never tell you they are sick ( incase you don’t call). The last few days on and off i feel a little caught at back of throat that i find my self having to clear with coughs every so often. It would have you wondering could it be it, paranoia sets it :-/


  • #8704
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Simon Harris made the important point about right measures at the right time. There's no point in announcing all sorts of curfews and lockdowns if people don't believe there's a big enough risk. Many just won't comply. Whereas all evidence this week is that the government is softening people up for stronger measures..

    Simon Harris has been wrong several times already. The earlier you lockdown the better. We simply do not know who is carrying this right now and because of the refusal to cancel flights to and from Italy there's likely hundreds with it.

    When you fail to take early steps liking banning flights you will always be on the backfoot. Then you end up having to take extreme measures later such as locking down cities because you've lost control of the number of cases.


  • #8705
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1237513541369896961?s=20

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1237514335288725504?s=20


  • #8706
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The US will very soon be the 8th country worldwide to reach 1000 cases after a 30% increase in numbers today, with two major outbreaks in the North West and North East of the country.

    Greece, Canada, Iceland and Israel will soon be the 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th countries to reach 100 cases worldwide


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  • #8707
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Among the many publications that should be banned from quotation or citation in this forum is definitely the New York Post.


  • #8708
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    regarding Farr's law, all it says is epidemics tend to follow a bell curve. that's it. when this thing is over and it will be over at some point, the trends will look like a bell curve. the question is how long will the curve be spread over and how many deaths will it take.


  • #8709
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Poor_old_gill wrote: »
    Simon Harris should be going door to door treating people. The fact that he isn’t makes him a terrible minister for health

    Harris is a great minister of health.


  • #8710
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »
    This is not solely up to Simon Harris and to be honest I would hate to be him right now. This is totally unchartered territory.

    I sure the government are heeding the best possible advice under the circumstances.

    If you lockdown too early people won't listen, if you lockdown now how long do you do it for?

    Start closing schools etc and you have a huge knock of effect to deal with, probably going to lose essential medical staff and front line workers who decide to stay home with their kids (and then all the staff who support that).

    Businesses will have to close up and that will also impact vital services such as GP clinics, supermarkets, distribution, supply and manufacturing across the country.

    They will do it if there's no other choice, they won't do it just to make people feel safer.
    He has wisely been kept away from the cameras a good bit.
    I don't really think someone who didn't manage to finished a degree in journalism and french...is really qualified to manage the situation....


  • #8711
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Poor_old_gill wrote: »
    Simon Harris should be going door to door treating people. The fact that he isn’t makes him a terrible minister for health

    The fact that he's the Health Minister, NOT in anyway experienced in the running of the economy of a country but it's the economy he' seem most concerned about.

    A farrier carrying on like he's a jockey!


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  • #8712
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


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  • #8713
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The US will very soon be the 8th country worldwide to reach 1000 cases after a 30% increase in numbers today

    The US is going to have a big problem.


  • #8714
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    This thread would have you paranoid. My job entails calling from house to house and i find people never tell you they are sick ( incase you don’t call). The last few days on and off i feel a little caught at back of throat that i find my self having to clear with coughs every so often. It would have you wondering could it be it, paranoia sets it :-/

    People have to cough for many reason. Worrying unnecessarily achieves very little Micky. Obviously that's easy for me to say but it's a point that in general holds true.


  • #8715
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Don't know how you read into my post that I was praising Italy.

    I'm not praising Italy.
    Apologies then - there's a lot of posters reacting like Ireland's way behind other countries responses and it's a bit tiring so I'm getting a trigger finger! By all accounts, we should aim to be better than them if we can but we're not really any worse either. The UK seems to be having a more laissez faire view on big crowds for example and it too is in the position of being an island.
    The balance between shutting down shop and maintaining some functioning economy (which is also important too!) is proving difficult for everyone.


  • #8716
    Poor_old_gill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    No need for these sarcastic posts.

    I feel that there is.

    It helps to ridicule the pointless nonsense being spouted by those who don’t seem to understand how gov departments & ministers work.

    The logic being applied is idiotic and deserves to be parodied


  • #8717
    SuperTortoise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    And they must be really hard to breath into.


    I used to have to wear them for 12 hour shifts, most of them can be dissembled, the mask itself, filters, retainer piece, headgear and diaphragm can usually be seperated and washed, we used to wash them at the start of every shift with warm water and then give them a wipe of a disinfectant.


    They are not hard to breathe through really, you get used to it.


  • #8718
    TXPTGR1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭TXPTGR1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why Cheltenham in particular? Why not all people travelling? Why not be triggered by all English football going ahead?

    You’re not the first person to mention it, it’s just baffling why people care so much about that one event.

    Packed crowd, lots of money handling (bad), unhygienic punters on a 4 day bender engaging in all sorts of degenerate behaviour. Way worse than football matches(which of course should be cancelled also)
    And most importantly at least 10000 of them are Irishand will come back here to **** it up here.


  • #8719
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I thought Simon came across well tonight tbh


  • #8720
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,685 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Mortality rate (as of earlier today)

    China 80,761 3,136 Asia
    Italy 10,149 631 Europe
    Iran 8,042 291 Asia
    South Korea 7,513 58 Asia
    France 1,784 33 Europe
    Spain 1,674 35 Europe
    Germany 1,437 2 Europe
    Japan (+Diamond Princess) 1,277 17 Asia
    United States 787 28 North America
    Switzerland 497 3 Europe
    Netherlands 382 4 Europe
    United Kingdom 373 6 Europe
    Sweden 351 0 Europe
    Norway 304 0 Europe
    Belgium 267 0 Europe
    Denmark 262 0 Europe
    Austria 182 0 Europe
    Singapore 166 0 Asia
    Malaysia 129 0 Asia
    Hong Kong 121 3 Asia
    Bahrain 110 0 Asia
    Australia 103 3 Australia/Oceania
    Greece 89 0 Europe
    Canada 80 1 North America
    United Arab Emirates 74 0 Asia
    Iraq 71 7 Asia
    Iceland 69 0 Europe
    Kuwait 69 0 Asia
    Egypt 59 1 Africa
    Israel 58 0 Asia
    Czech Republic (Czechia) 58 0 Europe
    India 56 0 Asia
    Thailand 53 1 Asia
    Lebanon 52 1 Asia
    San Marino 51 2 Europe
    Taiwan 47 1 Asia
    Portugal 41 0 Europe
    Finland 40 0 Europe
    Ireland 34 0 Europe
    Philippines 33 1 Asia
    Brazil 31 0 South America
    Vietnam 31 0 Asia
    Slovenia 31 0 Europe
    Romania 28 0 Europe
    Indonesia 27 0 Asia
    State of Palestine 26 0 Asia
    Qatar 24 0 Asia
    Georgia 23 0 Asia
    Poland 21 0 Europe
    Russia 20 0 Europe
    Algeria 20 0 Africa
    Saudi Arabia 20 0 Asia
    Pakistan 19 0 Asia
    Oman 18 0 Asia
    Argentina 17 1 South America
    Chile 17 0 South America
    Ecuador 15 0 South America
    Croatia 14 0 Europe
    Estonia 13 0 Europe
    Costa Rica 13 0 North America
    Hungary 12 0 Europe
    Azerbaijan 11 0 Asia
    Peru 11 0 South America
    Macao 10 0 Asia
    Albania 10 0 Europe
    Belarus 9 0 Europe
    Latvia 8 0 Europe
    Mexico 7 0 North America
    North Macedonia 7 0 Europe
    Slovakia 7 0 Europe
    South Africa 7 0 Africa
    Tunisia 6 0 Africa
    Maldives 6 0 Asia
    Brunei 6 0 Asia
    New Zealand 5 0 Australia/Oceania
    Luxembourg 5 0 Europe
    Dominican Republic 5 0 North America
    Afghanistan 5 0 Asia
    French Guiana 5 0 South America
    Malta 5 0 Europe
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 5 0 Europe
    Serbia 5 0 Europe
    Senegal 4 0 Africa
    Bulgaria 4 0 Europe
    Morocco 3 1 Africa
    Cambodia 3 0 Asia
    Colombia 3 0 South America
    Moldova 3 0 Europe
    Bangladesh 3 0 Asia
    Nigeria 2 0 Africa
    Saint Martin 2 0 North America
    Faeroe Islands 2 0 Europe
    Channel Islands 2 0 Europe
    Paraguay 2 0 South America
    Cyprus 2 0 Asia
    Burkina Faso 2 0 Africa
    Martinique 2 0 North America
    Cameroon 2 0 Africa
    Sri Lanka 1 0 Asia
    Armenia 1 0 Asia
    Ukraine 1 0 Europe
    Andorra 1 0 Europe
    Nepal 1 0 Asia
    Lithuania 1 0 Europe
    Jordan 1 0 Asia
    Monaco 1 0 Europe
    Saint Barthelemy 1 0 caribbean
    Liechtenstein 1 0 Europe
    Togo 1 0 Africa
    Mongolia 1 0 Asia
    Holy See 1 0 Europe
    Bhutan 1 0 Asia
    Gibraltar 1 0 Europe
    Panama 1 0 North America

    Whats the point in posting all that?


  • #8721
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I can't believe people are saying the gov is making decisions to protect the economy.

    This is going to have a major impact on the economy one way or the other.

    The world will be lucky to avoid another recession.

    First, to make it clear to certain posters, the topic of this post is the economy.

    I think a recession is almost guaranteed tbh no matter what way this plays out.

    One extreme would be no actions taken to prevent a widespread outbreak. There would then be a widespread outbreak along the lines of the worst-case scenarios outlined by the government in recent days. Obviously, there'd a be a huge shock to society in general and the economy if some number of people beyond 120,000 died prematurely. I say beyond because if the health service collapses, which it would, there'd be thousands of otherwise preventable deaths. Part of the shock to society in general would be huge anger at the lack of action which could get very unpleasant.

    The other extreme would be a lockdown before the advice that it's the correct time. We're not communist China. We do not have enough Gardaí to force people into a lockdown they're not prepared for. Possibly there wouldn't even be a legal basis for it. In the midst of an outbreak, you'd a pile of non-compliant people ignoring the "lockdown". You wind up in with the same as above happening.

    The government are between a rock and a hard place. They want to flatten the curve but they don’t want to order a shut down that would be ignored. They can only progress things incrementally or they lose too many people and lose the impact of whatever measure they’re trying to take.

    The tone of the message has changed since Sunday. I suspect this is deliberate and I predict the cancellations of events etc will progress significantly by the end of the week. The much maligned (in this thread) business community will do their bit and comply. How many others do the same remains to be seen.


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  • #8722
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    There are bigger numbers coming tomorrow and the government are aware so expect some “changes”


  • #8723
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Loughc wrote: »
    Great article spot on too. It’s definitely hit it’s peak already.
    Dreadful article. So wrong on several points, it's painful. Written by a leading health professional, a lawyer.


  • #8724
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭paul71


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Simon Harris has been wrong several times already. The earlier you lockdown the better. We simply do not know who is carrying this right now and because of the refusal to cancel flights to and from Italy there's likely hundreds with it.

    When you fail to take early steps liking banning flights you will always be on the backfoot. Then you end up having to take extreme measures later such as locking down cities because you've lost control of the number of cases.


    1 year before a vaccine will become available. I suspect there will be a lockdown at some stage, the real question is not when, but how many and how long.


  • #8725
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
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    I added in the sax solo just to be on the safe side.


  • #8726
    Poor_old_gill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    old_aussie wrote: »
    The fact that he's the Health Minister, NOT in anyway experienced in the running of the economy of a country but it's the economy he' seem most concerned about.

    A farrier carrying on like he's a jockey!

    He acts on advice given to him by the medical professionals in the HSE.
    Also he doesn’t have the authority to make unilateral decisions to enforce shut downs, etc


  • #8727
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The decision not to test for community transmission until they pop up in hospital already ill is bordering on unforgivable at this stage.


  • #8728
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    Confirmed Cases
    27th Jan China 4.4k 27th Feb Outside China 4.3k
    28th Jan China 6k 28th Feb Outside China 5.3k
    29th Jan China 7.7k 29th Feb Outside China 6.8k
    30th Jan China 9.7k 1st March Outside China 8.5k
    31st Jan China 11.2k 2nd March Outside China 10.3k
    1st Feb China 14.3k 3rd March Outside China 12.7k
    2nd Feb China 17.2k 4th March Outside China 14.9k
    3rd Feb China 19.7k 5th March Outside China 17.5k
    4th Feb China 23.7k 6th March Outside China 21.2k
    5th Feb China 27.4k 7th March Outside China 25.2k
    6th Feb China 30.6k 8th March Outside China 29.1k
    7th Feb China 34.1k 9th March Outside China 32.8k
    8th Feb China 36.8k 10th March Outside China 37.5k (so far)


  • #8729
    previous user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Mortality rate (as of earlier today)

    China 80,761 3,136 Asia
    Italy 10,149 631 Europe
    Iran 8,042 291 Asia
    South Korea 7,513 58 Asia
    France 1,784 33 Europe
    Spain 1,674 35 Europe
    Germany 1,437 2 Europe
    Japan (+Diamond Princess) 1,277 17 Asia
    United States 787 28 North America
    Switzerland 497 3 Europe
    Netherlands 382 4 Europe
    United Kingdom 373 6 Europe
    Sweden 351 0 Europe
    Norway 304 0 Europe
    Belgium 267 0 Europe
    Denmark 262 0 Europe
    Austria 182 0 Europe
    Singapore 166 0 Asia
    Malaysia 129 0 Asia
    Hong Kong 121 3 Asia
    Bahrain 110 0 Asia
    Australia 103 3 Australia/Oceania
    Greece 89 0 Europe
    Canada 80 1 North America
    United Arab Emirates 74 0 Asia
    Iraq 71 7 Asia
    Iceland 69 0 Europe
    Kuwait 69 0 Asia
    Egypt 59 1 Africa
    Israel 58 0 Asia
    Czech Republic (Czechia) 58 0 Europe
    India 56 0 Asia
    Thailand 53 1 Asia
    Lebanon 52 1 Asia
    San Marino 51 2 Europe
    Taiwan 47 1 Asia
    Portugal 41 0 Europe
    Finland 40 0 Europe
    Ireland 34 0 Europe
    Philippines 33 1 Asia
    Brazil 31 0 South America
    Vietnam 31 0 Asia
    Slovenia 31 0 Europe
    Romania 28 0 Europe
    Indonesia 27 0 Asia
    State of Palestine 26 0 Asia
    Qatar 24 0 Asia
    Georgia 23 0 Asia
    Poland 21 0 Europe
    Russia 20 0 Europe
    Algeria 20 0 Africa
    Saudi Arabia 20 0 Asia
    Pakistan 19 0 Asia
    Oman 18 0 Asia
    Argentina 17 1 South America
    Chile 17 0 South America
    Ecuador 15 0 South America
    Croatia 14 0 Europe
    Estonia 13 0 Europe
    Costa Rica 13 0 North America
    Hungary 12 0 Europe
    Azerbaijan 11 0 Asia
    Peru 11 0 South America
    Macao 10 0 Asia
    Albania 10 0 Europe
    Belarus 9 0 Europe
    Latvia 8 0 Europe
    Mexico 7 0 North America
    North Macedonia 7 0 Europe
    Slovakia 7 0 Europe
    South Africa 7 0 Africa
    Tunisia 6 0 Africa
    Maldives 6 0 Asia
    Brunei 6 0 Asia
    New Zealand 5 0 Australia/Oceania
    Luxembourg 5 0 Europe
    Dominican Republic 5 0 North America
    Afghanistan 5 0 Asia
    French Guiana 5 0 South America
    Malta 5 0 Europe
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 5 0 Europe
    Serbia 5 0 Europe
    Senegal 4 0 Africa
    Bulgaria 4 0 Europe
    Morocco 3 1 Africa
    Cambodia 3 0 Asia
    Colombia 3 0 South America
    Moldova 3 0 Europe
    Bangladesh 3 0 Asia
    Nigeria 2 0 Africa
    Saint Martin 2 0 North America
    Faeroe Islands 2 0 Europe
    Channel Islands 2 0 Europe
    Paraguay 2 0 South America
    Cyprus 2 0 Asia
    Burkina Faso 2 0 Africa
    Martinique 2 0 North America
    Cameroon 2 0 Africa
    Sri Lanka 1 0 Asia
    Armenia 1 0 Asia
    Ukraine 1 0 Europe
    Andorra 1 0 Europe
    Nepal 1 0 Asia
    Lithuania 1 0 Europe
    Jordan 1 0 Asia
    Monaco 1 0 Europe
    Saint Barthelemy 1 0 caribbean
    Liechtenstein 1 0 Europe
    Togo 1 0 Africa
    Mongolia 1 0 Asia
    Holy See 1 0 Europe
    Bhutan 1 0 Asia
    Gibraltar 1 0 Europe
    Panama 1 0 North America

    Incorrect Ireland is now 50 cases of Corona virus.


  • #8730
    Snowbiee21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Snowbiee21


    Realistically how Long can it last in ireland


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  • #8731
    Daz_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Daz_


    Anyone thinking about going off the grid ? Eg maybe have a holiday home or just their main home - take time off work , kids out of school etc and just proper locking down ?

    It has certainly crossed my mind to do so


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