Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

dublin99 · 10-03-2020 11:08PM

take everything wrote: »

Can anyone medical (more medical than myself at least) explain to me why the **** wearing face masks do not prevent you picking the virus up. In other words why are they futile if you don't have the infection.

Something about touching your face more?
Surely if you wash hands scrupulously this is irrelevant

I'd love a straight answer to this simple query.

You have to differentiate between surgical mask (one way protection) and respirators without valve (two way protection).

Surgical mask will work if EVERYONE wears one including asymptomatic spreaders, as in the case in Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan. In any event, it will reduce the risk (from droplets) if someone sneezes or cough near you. You are also less likely to touch your mouth and nose with your (contaminated) hands when wearing a mask.

Respirators (ffp2 and 3) can filter out the virus but only if properly fitted and more importantly, put on and taken off with sanitised hands. They are however very uncomfortable to wear over an extended period of time.

Here is a good explanation of the various types/specs:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

The truth is there aren't enough masks/respirators for everyone so they tell us they are useless. The Asian cities where everyone was supplied with masks all did really well after the initial outbreak.

RandomName2 · 10-03-2020 11:08PM

This thread is witnessing massive use. I wouldn't be surprised if the servers are struggling to keep up.

Cilldara_2000 · 10-03-2020 11:08PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Medical advice is divided. Dr Holohan and PHET’s view has been repeatedly challenged by highly qualified and eminent medical people. Medical advice from eminent people in Italy is much stronger that that of PHET on early action.

Of course your post is carefully worded to avoid that:
The professionals employed
The total picture
Full impact.

Let’s be frank, you just mean the economy. I will take part of your advice. I’m going to ignore randomers like you on the inter webs.

Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

And you can follow or ignore whoever's advice you like. Thankfully, you're not making any decisions for the whole country.

Jim_Hodge · 10-03-2020 11:10PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Simon Harris made the important point about right measures at the right time. There's no point in announcing all sorts of curfews and lockdowns if people don't believe there's a big enough risk. Many just won't comply. Whereas all evidence this week is that the government is softening people up for stronger measures..

In addition they say there is the proven matter of Compliance Fatigue. If too many compliance rules come in, before they are seen as absolutely necessary, people get lax and bored with them and circumvent the rules too soon.

Fia11 · 10-03-2020 11:11PM

All masks are not created equal. The only masks that are effective are those that the healthcare professionals treating corona patients are wearing - the masks developed for respiratory precautions. A loose fitting ****ty mask without a decent filter is absolutely useless against something like this coronavirus. Go RIGHT ahead if you just want to draw attention to yourself on the train, but it's doing nothing for you.

bekker · 10-03-2020 11:11PM

Very interesting interview on Prime Time last few minutes re contact tracing, interrupted by host, obviously not headline grabbing enough.

nocoverart · 10-03-2020 11:11PM

A lil tip for those that are investing their spare time in this thread. Watch a good innocent comedy for an interval, it really helps. I’m horsing through my backlog of Parks & Recreation and can feel the stress levels fall off with laughter.

skimpydoo · 10-03-2020 11:13PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Skimpydoo - I never got any messages, boards is f*cked at the mo - send me a PM

For your website. I wrote an article earlier today for Irish Tech News on how businesses can prepare for Covid-19. It can be read here https://irishtechnews.ie/preparing-your-business-for-covid-19/ I also did a podcast about how to prepare for remote working in the face of Covid-19 and it can be heard here https://irishtechnews.ie/lisa-murphy-covid-19-remote-working-podcast/ and also iTunes, Soundcloud, Spotify and Stitcher.

tobefrank321 · 10-03-2020 11:14PM

palmcut wrote: »

I would hope that those returning from Cheltenham would self isolate for 14 days.

If they're self absorbed enough to go to Cheltenham at a time like this you can be sure they'll be in the office Monday boasting about it. Many of them were probably on skiing holidays a few weeks ago.

SeaBreezes · 10-03-2020 11:15PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

In addition they say there is the proven matter of Compliance Fatigue. If too many compliance rules come in, before they are seem as absolutely necessary, people get lax and bored with them and circumvent the rules too soon.

Too little too late.... it should've been short term pain for long term gain but the economy is king. A lot of suffering that could've been avoided if they made the tough decisions sooner and not when they 'felt' it was right.

They moved a lot faster when The disease was foot and mouth and the economy was threatened. This disease only affects people...

all about the mane · 10-03-2020 11:16PM

Philosophical question:

Should people who are still putting themselves in danger of the virus be afforded the same care as those who are not? As in people intentionally going to affected areas against best advice.

Bob24 · 10-03-2020 11:18PM

dublin99 wrote: »

You have to differentiate between surgical mask (one way protection) and respirators without valve (two way protection).

Surgical mask will work if EVERYONE wears one including asymptomatic spreaders, as in the case in Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan. In any event, it will reduce the risk (from droplets) if someone sneezes or cough near you. You are also less likely to touch your mouth and nose with your (contaminated) hands when wearing a mask.

Respirators (ffp2 and 3) can filter out the virus but only if properly fitted and more importantly, put on and taken off with sanitised hands. They are however very uncomfortable to wear over an extended period of time.

Here is a good explanation of the various types/specs:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

The truth is there aren't enough masks/respirators for everyone so they tell us they are useless. The Asian cities where everyone was supplied with masks all did really well after the initial outbreak.

Good post, and just to add to this while respirators significantly reduce the chances of infection if used properly as per above, they can't offer full protection if used on their own. This is simply because your mouth isn't the only way for the virus to infect your body (although I understand it is probably the main one). For exemple it can also enter from your eyes (hence why medical staff are wearing protective goggles). So 100% protection requires a combination of different protective equipments.

igCorcaigh · 10-03-2020 11:19PM

Home working from tomorrow onwards.

Done a decent shop in Aldi tonight. I think I have enough supplies for 2 weeks. Extra washing up liquid.

If I run out of pasta, I have enough toilet paper.

If I run out of toilet paper, the Chinese lady upstairs might be dead by then. I have Char Siu spice ready.

Fann Linn · 10-03-2020 11:20PM

Medical question, could a scenario occur where someone with this virus goes into quarantine, recovers, and catches it again?

wakka12 · 10-03-2020 11:21PM

Is boards crashing because of the coronavirus thread? Lol. Always happens when new cases are announced in Ireland

Nijmegen · 10-03-2020 11:22PM

The impact on certain businesses is really starting to show.

https://twitter.com/onepicodublin/status/1237449588015013888?s=21

Poor_old_gill · 10-03-2020 11:22PM

The amount of people who don’t understand how a government department works or what a minister does is bloody startling.

People seem to think that Harris can make unilateral decisions based on a whim- he’s not a f*ckin dictator.

A government department essentially works like a large project group with the minister as the project manager- he hires specialists in specific fields and makes decisions based on their recommendations.

The HSE is driving, and rightly so, what is goin on here.

The above scenario is the same in most departments and is done to ensure continuity when diff ministers are appointed

ShayNanigan · 10-03-2020 11:22PM

take everything wrote: »

Can anyone medical (more medical than myself at least) explain to me why the **** wearing face masks do not prevent you picking the virus up. In other words why are they futile if you don't have the infection.

Something about touching your face more?
Surely if you wash hands scrupulously this is irrelevant

I'd love a straight answer to this simple query.

Probably because they are afraid regular people will have all the masks while the medical staff has none. Of course we're talking about ffp3 respirator masks here, not the surgical masks.

HSE even lets it slip on their own coronavirus web page: "Using masks is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick. Sick people will be advised by their doctor when to use a mask." And then in the next sentence: "Healthcare workers need masks and other personal protective equipment to protect them from infection during their work." Suddenly the mask protects you if you're a healthcare worker...?

Lashes28 · 10-03-2020 11:22PM

Anyone know where there are masks to buy??

Downlinz · 10-03-2020 11:23PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Medical question, could a scenario occur where someone with this virus goes into quarantine, recovers, and catches it again?

Yes because there's two strains of the virus and you can be infected by both.

NIMAN · 10-03-2020 11:23PM

Never mind the virus, this thread is growing exponentially.

RiseToMe · 10-03-2020 11:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If they're self absorbed enough to go to Cheltenham at a time like this you can be sure they'll be in the office Monday boasting about it. Many of them were probably on skiing holidays a few weeks ago.

Just off a flight with over 30 of them, all talking about the rest of their working week

ChikiChiki · 10-03-2020 11:24PM

The whole thing is kind of surreal... Like this cannot be happening.

But at the same time Cheltenham ****ed me on the betting in day one so in my case that's a bit of normality!

endainoz · 10-03-2020 11:25PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's kinvara I was told today. Hope they are in isolation and doing ok.

Great, North Clare is literally surrounded by it now

ChikiChiki · 10-03-2020 11:25PM

The whole thing is kind of surreal... Like this cannot be happening.

But at the same time Cheltenham ****ed me on the betting in day one so in my case that's a bit of normality!

xzanti · 10-03-2020 11:25PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Yes because there's two strains of the virus and you can be infected by both.

But can you be re-infected by either?

igCorcaigh · 10-03-2020 11:25PM

all about the mane wrote: »

Philosophical question:

Should people who are still putting themselves in danger of the virus be afforded the same care as those who are not? As in people intentionally going to affected areas against best advice.

These ethical questions have already been put to staff on the front line. A terrible dilemma.

take everything · 10-03-2020 11:26PM

dublin99 wrote: »

You have to differentiate between surgical mask (one way protection) and respirators without valve (two way protection).

Surgical mask will work if EVERYONE wears one including asymptomatic spreaders, as in the case in Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan. In any event, it will reduce the risk (from droplets) if someone sneezes or cough near you. You are also less likely to touch your mouth and nose with your (contaminated) hands when wearing a mask.

Respirators (ffp2 and 3) can filter out the virus but only if properly fitted and more importantly, put on and taken off with sanitised hands. They are however very uncomfortable to wear over an extended period of time.

Here is a good explanation of the various types/specs:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

The truth is there aren't enough masks/respirators for everyone so they tell us they are useless. The Asian cities where everyone was supplied with masks all did really well after the initial outbreak.

Cheers.
I knew there was more to it than what was being said.

Downlinz · 10-03-2020 11:27PM

xzanti wrote: »

But can you be re-infected by either?

It's believed not, unless the virus mutates.

tom1ie · 10-03-2020 11:28PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Medical question, could a scenario occur where someone with this virus goes into quarantine, recovers, and catches it again?

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
I’ve asked this question a few times now and I’ve done some reading but it’s hard to get a definitive answer to be honest.
There was an article two days ago about 6 cases in wuhan that were diagnosed with c19, recovered, were discharged, and then ended up with c19 again.
Problem is were they misdiagnosed as being recovered? I’ll try find a link.

First passage from guardian.co.uk:
Q. Can you get coronavirus more than once?

A. One report I read said there was a 14% chance. Then I read another report that said it was actually a recurrence of the original infection that hid up in your body.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP