Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Mic 1972 · 10-03-2020 01:17PM

HowardBeale wrote: »

Or you could just go mad with hysteria like many thinking wet wipes is more efficient than booasting the immune system.

good luck with that

wakka12 · 10-03-2020 01:17PM

15 new cases in the UAE: 3 Italians, 2 Emiratis, 2 Sri Lankan, 2 Brits, 2 Indians, 1 from Germany, 1 from South Africa, 1 from Tanzania, and 1 from Iran

5 new cases in Greece, thought to have been infected by a group of pilgrims who recently returned from Israel.

2 people in Kuwait infected after travelling to Egypt. This is at least the 8th or 9th case of an infection occurring in Egypt despite the country claiming about as many recorded cases themselves and would imply there are several thousand unrecorded cases in the country

3 cases in Estonia, Morocco and Mongolia related to Fench nationals/french travel

Each day more cases popping up after people travelling to areas outside the original hotzones

Christy42 · 10-03-2020 01:17PM

megabomberman wrote: »

I'm not sure why posters are so keen to give the virus a big chance to get going before containing it, why not start with proper measures that have been proven to work elsewhere now?

There is no guarantee that the Italy, France or Spain will be able to tame this thing over the next few weeks.

Have they worked. Someone mentioned Wuhan went into lockdown with 500 cases. That is not a success in my books.

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 01:18PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Italy had 3 cases until 2 weeks ago, they went from 3 to 200 within a couple of days. If we don't lock down now we will have to do it later anyway

We cannot use Bologna as a template for anything. It's wise to adopt a 'wait and see' approach for the next week and watch closely how the virus is progressing across the EU. Given that our own numbers are low, we still have time on our side.

joeysoap · 10-03-2020 01:18PM

banie01 wrote: »

I would hope that Ryanair and any other Airlines still routing flights to the quarantined areas are flying "ghost" flights?
Rather than actual passenger service?

If the flights are not operated the airline must lose their slots, so until the EU make a determination on the 80/20 rule many airlines will be flying empty to keep their slot.

Explains why Aer Lingus are still flying from Milan, Verona and Venice with no bookings allowed on their website.

I feel for their staff though.

otnomart · 10-03-2020 01:18PM

Good morning, Europe:

"On 10 March, the members of the European Council will discuss how to coordinate EU efforts to respond to the COVID-19 outbreak.
The meeting will start at 17.00 (CET).
President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and President of the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, will also take part in the discussion."
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/president/news/20200309-euco-videoconference-covid19/

Gods Gift · 10-03-2020 01:18PM

Not one Christmas tree to be found in town.
Man said I’ll have to wait till November.
OMG

bekker · 10-03-2020 01:19PM

gabeeg wrote: »

For what it's worth - 881 new cases in Iran, 54 deaths

And Turkey is still the virgin.

Tomrota · 10-03-2020 01:19PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not enough to justify shutting down a country with 24 cases. If we moved well into three figures, that would be a different matter.

So what you’re suggesting we do is follow the Italian model? Watch the HSE crumble.

Akrasia · 10-03-2020 01:19PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I hate to break it to you, but long before this virus quite the number of dying people in hospitals ended up dying alone, mostly out of practicalities or just pure dumb luck, like passing away in the middle of the night, or when relatives weren't visiting.

That may be true, but there is something heartbreaking about knowing that your elderly parent is locked in hospital for days or weeks, and may never come out or see any of their family ever again.

Usually people who die alone do so because of a sudden illness, or a long term illness that just progresses to death (which can take days)

It's not the final moments, it's the fact that they can be brought to hospital and never be seen alive again.

At least we have technology to communicate remotely, at least we can say goodbye over the phone or on Whatsapp or whatever.

otnomart · 10-03-2020 01:21PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Have they worked. Someone mentioned Wuhan went into lockdown with 500 cases. That is not a success in my books.

23 February: Italy had done 3000 tests and found "only" 132 positive cases
Lockdown starts for the epicentres, population 50000 people, with police and army check points
In those areas the spread has now slowed down. It worked.

Cw85 · 10-03-2020 01:22PM

Anyone else get the feeling that it's coming to an end here? Can see maybe ten more cases max overall and then it just fizzling out. Italy had a massive community spread whereas we had 2/3 and there appears to be no more. I think the 1.9m estimation was a mad calculation not even China had that kind of number

blanch152 · 10-03-2020 01:22PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Solpadine also has codine. It's a better pain killer for the back, but if you take it for a while, you'll get headaches trying to come off it.

Solpadeine:

https://www.medicines.ie/medicines/solpadeine-tablets-33779/patient-info

landofthetree · 10-03-2020 01:23PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Have flights to NYC booked for April. Today is the last day I can cancel my hotel for free, what would Boardsies do?
We're getting a really good deal and I know I won't find a better price but at the rate this virus is escalating I don't think I'll be going regardless. I don't know what to do.

You probably can kick the can down the road.

Go on to bookings.com and look for a place with free cancellation. You may find a place with cancellation up to a couple of days before the trip.

Naggdefy · 10-03-2020 01:23PM

bekker wrote: »

And Turkey is still the virgin.

Have Turkey made any announcement re. tests done?

10-03-2020 01:23PM

Ariah Happy Rooster wrote: »

The sooner some sort of UBI is rolled out, then the less of these type of walk-outs there will be. Companies should offer no risk temporary leave, upto 3mths if desired.

Sorry, should have said he quit smoking, not his job! Interesting point you are raising here all the same. Some people will prob unilaterally quit their jobs in fear/panic etc. If this epidemic takes 12 weeks to peak and then another 12 weeks to drop, people might want more than 3 months. Might be a good thing if the curve is flattened as a result, not good obviously for a functioning economy though......

Christy42 · 10-03-2020 01:23PM

otnomart wrote: »

23 February: Italy had done 3000 tests and found "only" 132 positive cases
Lockdown starts for the epicentres, population 50000 people, with police and army check points
In those areas the spread has now slowed down. It worked.

Wuhan is not in Italy. (Italy is also not a success).

Naggdefy · 10-03-2020 01:23PM

Cw85 wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that it's coming to an end here? Can see maybe ten more cases max overall and then it just fizzling out. Italy had a massive community spread whereas we had 2/3 and there appears to be no more. I think the 1.9m estimation was a mad calculation not even China had that kind of number

No.

Stevieluvsye · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

Cw85 wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that it's coming to an end here? Can see maybe ten more cases max overall and then it just fizzling out. Italy had a massive community spread whereas we had 2/3 and there appears to be no more. I think the 1.9m estimation was a mad calculation not even China had that kind of number

Have you got the virus?

namloc1980 · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

bekker wrote: »

And Turkey is still the virgin.

Fair play to Turkey and Erdogan. No virus getting through the Turkish border.

fits · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

Strazdas wrote: »

We cannot use Bologna as a template for anything. It's wise to adopt a 'wait and see' approach for the next week and watch closely how the virus is progressing across the EU. Given that our own numbers are low, we still have time on our side.

BERGAMO!!!

cnocbui · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

Its particular treatment would be targeted at patients who are experiencing acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) as a result of COVID -19. The mortality rates among those that develop COVID-19-induced ARDS is closer to 50 per cent, according to Mesoblast. Thus its use would be confined to the very sick - generally older people or people with additional health conditions.

Results published last week from an investigator-initiated clinical study in China reported that Mesoblast’s stem cell treatment "cured or significantly improved all functional outcomes in all seven treated patients with severe COVID-19 pneumonia".

"Additionally, in post-hoc analyses of a 60-patient randomised controlled study in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), remestemcel-L infusions were well tolerated, significantly reduced inflammatory biomarkers and significantly improved pulmonary function in those patients with elevated inflammatory biomarkers.

"Since the same inflammatory biomarkers are also elevated in COVID-19, these data suggest that remestemcel-L could be useful in the treatment of patients with ARDS due to COVID-19," Mesoblast said in its statement.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/investors-wildly-excited-by-australian-biotech-minnow-s-shot-at-coronavirus-cure-20200310-p548o5.html

tobefrank321 · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Some still posting in this thread.

And some also still thinking we won't follow the Italian scale of spread, or the increases seen in every other country. Always the way, unless and until it actually infects them, they won't believe it and criticise anyone who says otherwise.

cnbyz · 10-03-2020 01:24PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Have Turkey made any announcement re. tests done?

2000 samples have been tested so far

RandomName2 · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed. Singapore(IIRC) has the right idea. Basic fever screening of ALL visitors to the nation and refuse entry to those showing symptoms, mass free handout of masks* to the population, massively increased cleaning of public and private areas, cancelling all mass gatherings, regular updates and information for the populace, quick testing and if someone was infected into hospital, oh and fines and threats of prison for those price gouging(I'd also restrict the hysterical selfish bastard hoarders). If we actually wanted to stop this thing - and we may still have time - we'd have to implement something similar.

Not going to happen here. Social cohesion is not nearly so strong here, the HSE management, and I use the term broadly, is pathetic and our leaders are made up of gombeen men, half wits and vested interests and the history of this state's leadership has overwhelmingly been that of reactive rather than proactive measures, or just aping our old colonists in what ever they do.

I really thought our government would be proactive.

We stopped foot and mouth disease! That disease can literally just blow in the wind. If a farm in line of sight of you has foot and mouth, you have foot and mouth disease.

People weren't even in danger with foot and mouth disease, but we banded together to stop it, and it worked.

I just can't understand how we have got to the stage we are currently at. I just can't understand it.

Naggdefy · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Cw85 wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling that it's coming to an end here? Can see maybe ten more cases max overall and then it just fizzling out. Italy had a massive community spread whereas we had 2/3 and there appears to be no more. I think the 1.9m estimation was a mad calculation not even China had that kind of number

I presume you're from Carlow. I've a friend 2 miles outside the town in quarantine.

Bob24 · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not enough to justify shutting down a country with 24 cases. If we moved well into three figures, that would be a different matter.

The same could have been said looking at Italian figures 2 weeks ago.

Back to Ireland. When you have an estimated R0 of 3.5, a 15% of patients requiring hospital care (5% intensive care), a lot of untested potential patients due to the restricted case definition, and one of the lowest hospital bed counts per inhabitant in Europe (far below Italy) ... I think it is time to start seriously considering it.

It is a matter of 2-4 weeks before our hospitals have to start massively refusing treatment if we don’t start reducing R0 right now.

Rob A. Bank · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Italy totally out of control now.

Knockeen · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Ive heard rumours that Number of new cases in the mid thirties will be announced tonight?

And schools to close?

Seems a little radical compared to houlihans measured advice last night.

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 01:25PM

Tomrota wrote: »

So what you’re suggesting we do is follow the Italian model? Watch the HSE crumble.

Nobody knows if Bologna was a freak event.

By all means actively 'plan' for a worst case scenario, but actually implementing worst case scenario strategies would be a strange way of conducting risk management.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP