Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

10-03-2020 01:10PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

She's probably got more of a chance of breaking her leg over there than catching coronavirus, so I presume by your logic nobody should travel to the US ever.

Yeah if the insurance part went over your head not much that I can do about your understanding of logic.

No one should travel to the U.S. without good insurance as their health care costs are already legendary for all the wrong reasons.

Going by reports of the fact most are not being tested due to the costs involved in the U.S. the numbers there may well be higher, also if your going on holiday your going to be out and mixing in crowds more than normal at tourist attractions etc.

Bob24 · 10-03-2020 01:10PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Germany has had 2 deaths and without any government lockdown or ban on outdoor events.

It's way too soon to be talking about shutting entire countries down (Italy is a different case obviously).

For reference China locked down Wuhan and enforced country wide restrictions of movement when they had around 500 cases.

The problem is that growth is exponential and can overwhelm hospitals very quickly.

This is what is causing a spike in death rates in Italy: they waited until hospitals were maxed-out already before enacting serious containment measures. And since it takes some time for these mesures to cause a drop in cases, hospitals get more and more overwhelmed and have to let more and more people die du to lack of available ressources.

So the measures need to be enacted significantly before death rates start to spike.

Also it is an illusion to think waiting an other week or two before enacting them allows normal life to keep going a bit longer. It does in the very short term but it also means containment will have to be for larger areas and last longer, so delaying measure ends up having a larger impact. Had Italy locked down 2 weeks ago, their stict lock down area would probably be smaller and most hospitals probably wouldn’t have to chose who to take care of or not at the moment.

Having said that yes Germany is not the number one priority right now, France probably is. But Germany is not far behind.

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 01:10PM

jackboy wrote: »

No, it’s far better to shut countries down earlier, more chance of success with less carnage. Waiting as long as Italy did is not a good idea.

Bologna and Wuhan city are landlocked and densely populated.

Ireland is an island nation.....sixty miles from the nearest other island. We are nowhere near the stage of saying the island needs to go into lockdown.

gazzer · 10-03-2020 01:10PM

I am due to go to London for 3 nights this Saturday. Am I being over cautious in thinking about not going?

SeaBreezes · 10-03-2020 01:11PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am haunted by the words of that overworked exhausted critical care surgeon in Northern Italy...

when I see the crowds of Irish people descending on Cheltenham and very unlikely to self isolate when they return.

"Try to have mercy on that myriad of older people you could exterminate."

If this was a virus that could affect horses, there would be no racing..
Disgusting how little regard we have for the elderly.

tillyfilly · 10-03-2020 01:11PM

Guys, with the drastic actions being taken in the west now I think we have finally turned a corner with this virus , I expect to be reporting only good news from about two weeks onwards, I no longer believe the scare mongers of a possible 1.9 million cases in Ireland and think it will be more like a few thousand

Stheno · 10-03-2020 01:12PM

What's UBI?

drunkmonkey · 10-03-2020 01:12PM

calgary bound wrote: »

We already had it booked before this kicked off but I reckon with Paddy's Day curtailed, there will be some good offers if you look online or ring a hotel directly. Hope you get to enjoy it!

I'll kill it with whiskey, have a good one:)

Naggdefy · 10-03-2020 01:12PM

I have back pain and usually get Panadol extra in my local pharmacy.

The pharmacist insisted on solpadeine. I didn't ask. Should have.

Are they conserving stocks of paracetamol?

PringleDemon · 10-03-2020 01:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Bologna and Wuhan city are landlocked and densely populated.

Ireland is an island nation.....sixty miles from the nearest other island. We are nowhere near the stage of saying the island needs to go into lockdown.

Its only 22 miles to Scotland from Ireland .

Tacitus Kilgore · 10-03-2020 01:12PM

Stheno wrote: »

What's UBI?

Like IBS but a lot messier

Strazdas · 10-03-2020 01:13PM

Bob24 wrote: »

For reference China locked down Wuhan and enforced country wide restrictions of movement when they had around 500 cases.

The problem is that growth is exponential and can overwhelm hospital very quickly.

This is what is causing a spike in death rates in Italy: they waited until hospitals where maxed-out already before enacting serious containment measure. And since it takes some time for these mesures to cause a drop in cases, hospitals get more and more overwhelmed and have to let more and more people die du to lack of available ressources.

So the measures need to be enacted significantly before death rates start to spike.

Also it is an illusion to thing waiting an other week or two before enacting them allowing normal life to keep going a bit longer. It does in the short term but it also means containment will have to be for larger areas and last longer so delaying ends up having a larger impact.

Having said that yes Germany is not the number one priority right now, France is. But Germany is not far behind.

Not enough to justify shutting down a country with 24 cases. If we moved well into three figures, that would be a different matter.

dinorebel · 10-03-2020 01:13PM

josip wrote: »

Or just give your willy a good shake if you're a bloke

We'll all be wan*king our way through quarantine soon enough.

Mic 1972 · 10-03-2020 01:13PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Bologna and Wuhan city are landlocked and densely populated.

Ireland is an island nation.....sixty miles from the nearest other island. We are nowhere near the stage of saying the island needs to go into lockdown.

Italy had 3 cases until 2 weeks ago, they went from 3 to 200 within a couple of days. If we don't lock down now we will have to do it later anyway

4068ac1elhodqr · 10-03-2020 01:13PM

Strazdas wrote: »

. We are nowhere near the stage of saying the island needs to go into lockdown.

Worth keeping an eye on little old Iceland (65 cases).

banie01 · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I think its shameful that Ryanair, an Irish company, is now leading the spread of coronavirus throughout Europe.

With Italy in lockdown the only way to exit the country is by Ryanair flights elsewhere to Europe. Ryanair have put financial gain above the health and wellbeing of the vast majority of the population, putting countless lives at risk.

If you feel strongly enough about this, contact your local TD or else the following:

fod@iaa.ie

webmaster@taoiseach.gov.ie

https://contactform.ryanair.com/

I would hope that Ryanair and any other Airlines still routing flights to the quarantined areas are flying "ghost" flights?
Rather than actual passenger service?

If the flights are not operated the airline must lose their slots, so until the EU make a determination on the 80/20 rule many airlines will be flying empty to keep their slot.

GooglePlus · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I have back pain and usually get Panadol extra in my local pharmacy.

The pharmacist insisted on solpadeine. I didn't ask. Should have.

Are they conserving stocks of paracetamol?

But sure solpadeine has paracetamol.

Wibbs · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Why is Italy a different case?

Indeed. Singapore(IIRC) has the right idea. Basic fever screening of ALL visitors to the nation and refuse entry to those showing symptoms, mass free handout of masks* to the population, massively increased cleaning of public and private areas, cancelling all mass gatherings, regular updates and information for the populace, quick testing and if someone was infected into hospital, oh and fines and threats of prison for those price gouging(I'd also restrict the hysterical selfish bastard hoarders). If we actually wanted to stop this thing - and we may still have time - we'd have to implement something similar.

Not going to happen here. Social cohesion is not nearly so strong here, the HSE management, and I use the term broadly, is pathetic and our leaders are made up of gombeen men, half wits and vested interests and the history of this state's leadership has overwhelmingly been that of reactive rather than proactive measures, or just aping our old colonists in what ever they do.

*no, masks aren't the answer, but they most certainly and provably mitigate the spread from those already infected if they wear them.

ITman88 · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Part of the reason for that is the initial misleading information, like death rate 2% (lie!), it's only a flue (lie!) only old people with per-existing conditions have trouble (lie!)
People should have been given the full picture right away. There are still idiots around thinking this is nothing more than a flue
A little "healthy fear" would have helped

Not one person has said this is nothing more than a chimney

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Supposed to be going to Munich for the weekend for some boozin'/touristin', thoughts?...

Grab some Paulaner beer in the offy and go on google streetview

Naggdefy · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

But sure solpadeine has paracetamol.

I know!

Mic 1972 · 10-03-2020 01:14PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not enough to justify shutting down a country with 24 cases. If we moved well into three figures, that would be a different matter.

24 detected cases means a lot more people still spreading it around until they also get detected. We will be sorry very soon if we don't stop being naive now

HowardBeale · 10-03-2020 01:15PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Great thing about this thread is we can identify the hard chaws that will go against Government/CDC/WHO/Expert advice.

They are the kind that will break isolation & quarantine, go to the pub when told it's better not to and just generally act the bollocks because "It's no worse than a cold" "You're all crazy! You all want an apocalypse!" and "I am not changing my lifestyle for a couple of weeks."

Or you could just go mad with hysteria like many thinking wet wipes is more efficient than booasting the immune system.

Many will let the paranoia kill them before any virus.

Still waters · 10-03-2020 01:15PM

Steve F wrote: »

Posts that begin with:-
"Just heard....
"Don't quote me on this....
"Someone said....
"Someone told me...
Really?

As bad as people saying "really?" at the end of their sentences

Tomrota · 10-03-2020 01:15PM

joe40 wrote: »

Human nature being what it is, the more drastic social distancing measures will only work on a large scale when people see an actual risk in their locality. That is obviously too late in a way, but I think that is just how many people react. Probably the same myself to be honest.
Just look at the lack of global response over the years to climate change. Until there is evidence people see or feel themselves it is easy to ignore.
Until we see neighbours down with the flu and hospitals turning people away it will be hard to enforce the more extreme measures.

The Italian population may accept the shutdown now but I guarantee the government would not have been able to enforce it 2 weeks ago. No EU country is a police state, draconian measures will require public buy in.

Good point. There were tonnes of Italians that were planning to live life normally and said it was just a flu, stop using scare tactics. And now look at their country, the healthcare system on the verge of collapse, people not getting response to 112 calls, and everyone on lockdown. You make a really good point that seeing is believing, and this is probably why humans will never solve the climate crisis.

megabomberman · 10-03-2020 01:16PM

I'm not sure why posters are so keen to give the virus a big chance to get going before containing it, why not start with proper measures that have been proven to work elsewhere now?

There is no guarantee that the Italy, France or Spain will be able to tame this thing over the next few weeks.

charlietheminxx · 10-03-2020 01:16PM

Interesting to see the query from SusieBlue on NYC in April - I'm supposed to be going as well (on the 22nd). Have a feeling it might not be happening, since I'm going with my sister who would be classed as higher risk

Lord TSC · 10-03-2020 01:16PM

Stheno wrote: »

What's UBI?

Universal Basic Income.

Basically, everyone receives a form of social welfare payment each week, regardless of if they are unemployed or not.

Fr_Dougal · 10-03-2020 01:17PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

That's strange because up until yesterday there was absolutely no rush at all in Dublin, i went shopping in Aldi, Lidl, Supevalue and Dunne's between Sun and Mon. All normal

That program on tv last night must have spooked some people.

RebelButtMunch · 10-03-2020 01:17PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I know!

Solpadine also has codine. It's a better pain killer for the back, but if you take it for a while, you'll get headaches trying to come off it.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP