Do not let the **** up

siblers · 06-03-2020 6:59pm #1

Video from Kilcummin Gaa of lads pinning each other to the ground. It's not that I find it offensive but I find it crazy that this is part of training. It's good aerobic training but don't get the impression this is what it's being used for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp9nFSWN9uE

big_drive · 06-03-2020 7:20pm

Again the issue is who films and then puts these things up. That’s where I’ve a problem. It’s probably just a character building exercise which also develops a bit of strength etc.
Probably only a small couple minutes of a training session but when shown in isolation I can see why some wouldn’t be impressed with it. Comes across a bit old school and not really in line with modern thinking

Overall a bit of unwanted embarrassment for the club in question

Realt Dearg Sec · 07-03-2020 12:03am

siblers wrote: »

It's good aerobic training but don't get the impression this is what it's being used for

Am I missing something here? What do you think it's being used for?

Heard about this today but watching the video now I'm not seeing what the problem is.

S.G.M. · 07-03-2020 12:14am

Pathetic exercise.

07-03-2020 12:19am

You'd think the voice was added afterwards, like some kind of parody/joke video.

Don't really follow GAA (wandered in from the main page; howaya!) but I can see the issue with the video in terms of it being so verbally aggressive. At the same time, they're not gonna be playing against a few mates during a big match day, so I can kinda see what they're going for. It's very "old school" though.

EDIT: The more i watch it, the funnier it gets.

Realt Dearg Sec · 07-03-2020 12:20am

S.G.M. wrote: »

Pathetic exercise.

Maybe, arguably. But if there's a team of lads being made run laps for a half hour that's also very old school, boring, and pointless, way more so than this by far. But it wouldn't be a big controversy. So what's the actual problem? Genuinely feel like I've missed something here that everyone else is seeing.

S.G.M. · 07-03-2020 12:24am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote:

Maybe, arguably. But if there's a team of lads being made run laps for a half hour that's also very old school, boring, and pointless, way more so than this by far. But it wouldn't be a big controversy. So what's the actual problem? Genuinely feel like I've missed something here that everyone else is seeing.

'Bury his face into the ground'.
Just say a player suffered from panic attacks or asthma even, this sort of crap could easily trigger an attack if they were to get pinned in an awkward position.
A specific example I know but still a valid point.

I just think it's ridiculous and serves no purpose other than mancho bravado crap.

benjy1000 · 07-03-2020 12:28am

What an absolute of a manager .
No place anymore for all that roaring & jackassing.
Will make no difference at all in the heat of championship , be better focusing on the skills of the game as that will be the winning or losing of the a game.

s8n · 07-03-2020 12:30am

benjy1000 wrote: »

What an absolute ape of a manager .
No place anymore for all that roaring & jackassing.
Will make no difference at all in the heat of championship , be better focusing on the skills of the game as that will be the winning or losing of the a game.

Do we know who he is ??

super_furry · 07-03-2020 12:30am

Clowns rolling around in ****e, listening to some idiot who thinks he's in Full Metal Jacket.

Realt Dearg Sec · 07-03-2020 12:31am

S.G.M. wrote: »

'Bury his face into the ground'.
Just say a player suffered from panic attacks or asthma even, this sort of crap could easily trigger an attack if they were to get pinned in an awkward position.
A specific example I know but still a valid point.

I just think it's ridiculous and serves no purpose other than mancho bravado crap.

If you suffer panic attacks when someone is aggressive to you, then sooner or later football is not going to work out well for you in fairness.

Again, I agree the exercise is pointless, and it's time not spent practicing worthwhile skills relevant to the game, but I don't get why bad training would warrant a video going viral.

I also agree that the macho stuff is pathetic, typical of some coaches in my experience. But that's the way some operate. Hardly worth the response online.

Probably was just a short thing to do as a change of pace, do some strength work and encourage a little bit of fight and aggression. Could do without the coaches histrionics but no big deal.

big_drive · 07-03-2020 8:25am

I’ve seen plenty coaches over the years , good and bad
The good ones certainly wouldn’t be using language like that, there’s different ways of communicating a message
The ones like the guy in video put on the big front, all action and talk. Only a cover for lack of ability

Again as I mentioned earlier it’s the people who decide to put up these videos I’ve an issue with. That’s obviously a club player or mentor who’s recorded it and now basically embarrassed his club online.

S.G.M. · 07-03-2020 9:02am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote:

If you suffer panic attacks when someone is aggressive to you, then sooner or later football is not going to work out well for you in fairness.

It's nothing to do with being aggressive. It's the part about pinning someone down and not letting them up. That isn't a part of GAA.
Mixed martial arts yes but not GAA.

Littlehorny · 07-03-2020 9:07am

If the voice is real then that manager should be ran.

robbiezero · 07-03-2020 9:55am

big_drive wrote: »

I’ve seen plenty coaches over the years , good and bad
The good ones certainly wouldn’t be using language like that, there’s different ways of communicating a message
The ones like the guy in video put on the big front, all action and talk. Only a cover for lack of ability

Again as I mentioned earlier it’s the people who decide to put up these videos I’ve an issue with. That’s obviously a club player or mentor who’s recorded it and now basically embarrassed his club online.

Bit of a generalization there. Some of the biggest bluffers in sport and life are excellent communicators.
Harmless enough stuff in that video. If the trainer is the same lad with whom they won the Intermediate All-Ireland last year, then he must be doing something right.
I always liked to have a trainer with a bit of madness, some of the "Paint by numbers" coaches around now would bore the living ****e out of me if I was still playing.

vicwatson · 07-03-2020 10:00am

“Don’t leave him up”, but but he’s not up

WesternZulu · 07-03-2020 10:30am

I thought that Kerry teams were beyond that sort of stuff. Could you imagine the reaction if it was a Tyrone club team!

Fr Tod Umptious · 07-03-2020 10:45am

Anyone watching Ultimate Hell Week ?

One of the exercises is where a participant picks another to box against, with gloves and headgear of course.

They all batter the heads off each other and really seem to enjoy it, there are no hard feelings afterwards.

This is just an example of the above Inna sports training situation.

stockshares · 07-03-2020 7:15pm

https://www.offtheball.com/football/kerry-club-gaa-whatsapp-video-978621

It's from Kilcummin Gaa in Kerry. Intermediate team training.

It looks like they are deliberately practicing cynical play.
Is this what the Gaa has come to.

Sheep led by Donkeys. The Manager is probably getting a few quid while the players get **** all only abuse roared at them.

Fann Linn · 07-03-2020 7:19pm

Has nothing to do with Gaelic football. Clowns.

robbiezero · 07-03-2020 7:25pm

stockshares wrote: »

https://www.offtheball.com/football/kerry-club-gaa-whatsapp-video-978621

It's from Kilcummin Gaa in Kerry. Intermediate team training.

It looks like they are deliberately practicing cynical play.
Is this what the Gaa has come to.

Sheep led by Donkeys. The Manager is probably getting a few quid while the players get **** all only abuse roared at them.

They aren't practicing cynical play.

They won the All Ireland Intermediate last year, so players hardly getting **** all out of it.

stockshares · 07-03-2020 8:01pm

robbiezero wrote: »

They aren't practicing cynical play.

They won the All Ireland Intermediate last year, so players hardly getting **** all out of it.

They won it in spite of this ****e.

If it's not practicing cynical play what is it? Stamina training.

Maybe it's Psychological training given by an Amateur Psychologist. Macho Neanderthal bull****

dmc17 · 07-03-2020 9:15pm

benjy1000 wrote: »

What an absolute ape of a manager .
No place anymore for all that roaring & jackassing.
Will make no difference at all in the heat of championship , be better focusing on the skills of the game as that will be the winning or losing of the a game.

They'll kick 20 wides in their first game and he'll be scratching his head wondering where it all went wrong

corny · 07-03-2020 10:12pm

The audio has to be added. No one can be that stupid.

Don't know how it can construed as 'practicing cynical play' either. Surely its about enduring the hardship isn't it? Building character and all that.

stockshares · 07-03-2020 10:29pm

corny wrote: »

The audio has to be added. No one can be that stupid.

Don't know how it can construed as 'practicing cynical play' either. Surely its about enduring the hardship isn't it? Building character and all that.

If you look at what they are doing they are deliberately holding a player down for a long period. It's what someone would do in the last few mins to deliberately get a black card or sending off in order to protect a lead or prevent a match winning score.

You see plenty of that in the last few mins of games now.
Last one I remember is John Small preventing Michael Murphy from joining a Donegal attack.

A player needs to make sure the attacker isn't getting back on his feet. If it is being taught this way it's really poisonous and against the spirit of any sport

07-03-2020 10:31pm

If the lads will do it then let them do it. If they don’t want to do it then nobody is making them play against their will.
The people who record and share this on social media are vermin.

stockshares · 07-03-2020 10:36pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If the lads will do it then let them do it. If they don’t want to do it then nobody is making them play against their will.
The people who record and share this on social media are vermin.

The atmosphere in that session was obnoxious and could be construed as abusive. No way is it best practice.

As I said Sheep led by Donkeys. Just cos they won an intermediate Championship doesn't make it ok.

If players are ok with this ****e it's no wonder every game is infested with pulling and dragging and vicious spite.

07-03-2020 10:38pm

stockshares wrote: »

The atmosphere in that session was obnoxious and could be construed as abusive. No way is it best practice.

As I said Sheep led by Donkeys. Just cos they won an intermediate Championship doesn't make it ok.

It's no wonder every game is infested with pulling and dragging and vicious spite.

They don’t have to stay or turn up the next night if they don’t like it.

corny · 07-03-2020 10:55pm

stockshares wrote: »

If you look at what they are doing they are deliberately holding a player down for a long period. It's what someone would do in the last few mins to deliberately get a black card or sending off in order to protect a lead or prevent a match winning score.

You see plenty of that in the last few mins of games now.
Last one I remember is John Small preventing Michael Murphy from joining a Donegal attack.

A player needs to make sure the attacker isn't getting back on his feet. If it is being taught this way it's really poisonous and against the spirit of any sport

I don't see that as being very plausible tbh. If you're happy to take the black card you can easily stop a player joining the attack. Doesn't take practice. Pull, drag, trip, do whatever. Not rocket science. You'd be far better served practicing the sneaky off the ball stuff (which i'm sure they do).

This is just lads rolling around on a filthy night, enduring a hardship to build character. ****e attempt at building character but an attempt nonetheless for me.

Strumms · 07-03-2020 10:57pm

super_furry wrote: »

Clowns rolling around in ****e, listening to some idiot who thinks he's in Full Metal Jacket.

100%, if they had a captain worth his salt with a bit of integrity he’d be messaging the guys to refuse to do it at the next session. There is fûck all sporting, fûck all fitness value that can’t be achieved doing other more traditional and appropriate workouts and fûck all in the way of character building and it certainly won’t help winning matches... that is a bully pure and simple and it sounds like he is getting some kick out of watching a load of lads, rolling around in the mud together... weirdo. Lads just need to stand side by side... “no we won’t be doing that and if you have a problem with it, you might end up face down in the mud yourself.

Imagine too parents now, of children playing underage, seeing what goes on, the premise being at some point that might be awaiting them. Jeeez.

07-03-2020 11:01pm

Strumms wrote: »

100%, if they had a captain worth his salt with a bit of integrity he’d be messaging the guys to refuse to do it at the next session. There is fûck all sporting, fûck all fitness value that can’t be achieved doing other more traditional and appropriate workouts and fûck all in the way of character building and it certainly won’t help winning matches... that arsehole is a bully pure and simple and it sounds like he is getting some kick out of watching a load of lads, rolling around in the mud together... weirdo. Lads just need to stand side by side... “no we won’t be doing that and if you have a problem with it, you might end up face down in the mud yourself.

Imagine too parents now, of children playing underage, seeing what goes on, the premise being at some point that might be awaiting them. Jeeez.

Weed out the weak. Let the captain be the first to go if they don’t like it, rather than sly little group texts.

Strumms · 07-03-2020 11:06pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Weed out the weak. Let the captain be the first to go if they don’t like it, rather than sly little group texts.

It’s a participation sport last time I looked. Weeding out isn’t necessary. You pick a 15 based on ability, that’s to be found by watching play, with a football, not mud wrestling like a 13 year old delinquent kid for the gratification of some

stockshares · 07-03-2020 11:31pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They don’t have to stay or turn up the next night if they don’t like it.

If their ok with it there's something wrong with them. The manager sounded like a bully and seemed to get a kick out of Lads being dominated.

Strumms wrote: »

100%, if they had a captain worth his salt with a bit of integrity he’d be messaging the guys to refuse to do it at the next session. There is fûck all sporting, fûck all fitness value that can’t be achieved doing other more traditional and appropriate workouts and fûck all in the way of character building and it certainly won’t help winning matches... that is a bully pure and simple and it sounds like he is getting some kick out of watching a load of lads, rolling around in the mud together... weirdo. Lads just need to stand side by side... “no we won’t be doing that and if you have a problem with it, you might end up face down in the mud yourself.

Imagine too parents now, of children playing underage, seeing what goes on, the premise being at some point that might be awaiting them. Jeeez.

Gaa lads tend to follow as they are very eager to get somewhere, they rarely question. You must be seen to be the tough guy. That manager would create a bullying culture with his methods if he hasn't already

Good point about the parents. It doesn't look much like a progressive healthy sport in that video.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Weed out the weak. Let the captain be the first to go if they don’t like it, rather than sly little group texts.

Gaa is for all. You suggest weeding out the weak but what your actually doing is weeding out the intelligent and being left with the stupid. Who would put up with that bullying.

robbiezero · 08-03-2020 12:51am

stockshares wrote: »

The atmosphere in that session was obnoxious and could be construed as abusive. No way is it best practice.

As I said Sheep led by Donkeys. Just cos they won an intermediate Championship doesn't make it ok.

If players are ok with this ****e it's no wonder every game is infested with pulling and dragging and vicious spite.

How do you know what the atmosphere in the session was like?
Absolutely no evidence of bullying or abuse that I saw anyway and it's a nasty insinuation to make based on what is shown in the video.

ProudDUB · 08-03-2020 1:36am

robbiezero wrote: »

How do you know what the atmosphere in the session was like?
Absolutely no evidence of bullying or abuse that I saw anyway and it's a nasty insinuation to make based on what is shown in the video.

Are you for real?

Listen to the language out of the on the sideline. Listen to what he is calling the lad being held down. How on earth is that not abusive?

Take the blinkers off.

seligehgit · 08-03-2020 10:45am

Mod Warning

Irrespective of what evidence there may be of verbal abuse/bullying on the video,same does not give posters carte blanche to use abusive terms in relation to the coach/manager.

benjy1000 · 08-03-2020 8:21pm

dmc17 wrote: »

They'll kick 20 wides in their first game and he'll be scratching his head wondering where it all went wrong

Exactly.
With Managers like him it Will be the refs fault or I heard once that there was a hill on the pitch & it wasn’t flat.
It will never be his fault that’s for sure..

grbear · 08-03-2020 10:29pm

Should be thrown out of the GAA for shooting video in portrait. That's my two cents.

LoughNeagh2017 · 08-03-2020 10:34pm

The real question is who could be bothered with that carry on in the evening? There is a lot to be said for watching EastEnders with a cup of hot chocolate.

08-03-2020 10:44pm

I'm aghast at seeing such carry on in the land of the Healy-Raes.

BnB · 09-03-2020 2:29am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Are you for real?

Listen to the language out of the on the sideline. Listen to what he is calling the lad being held down. How on earth is that not abusive?

Take the blinkers off.

Ahh come on. I won't deny tis a fairly scuttery looking exercise, but bullying....

Half the lads are on the ground and the other half are trying to hold them down. So is he bullying half the team..!!!! And then they switch position and the opposite man is on the ground... Is he bullying the other half then ?

Tis a fairly harmless exercise working on a bit of core strength and fitness for a few minutes. Personally I'd say tis actually a bit of craic.

Dyr · 09-03-2020 9:17am

I'm aghast to see a lad trying to escape side control by turning away from their opponent, turn into him ta f**k!!

Do these lads have proper coaches at all?

flasher0030 · 09-03-2020 2:47pm

corny wrote: »

I don't see that as being very plausible tbh. If you're happy to take the black card you can easily stop a player joining the attack. Doesn't take practice. Pull, drag, trip, do whatever. Not rocket science. You'd be far better served practicing the sneaky off the ball stuff (which i'm sure they do).

This is just lads rolling around on a filthy night, enduring a hardship to build character. ****e attempt at building character but an attempt nonetheless for me.

Is it not obvious that with the controversy in the past few weeks about David Clifford and Michael Murphy unjustly getting sent off for second yellow in these type of scuffles i.e. floor wrestle - that this dude decided to play on it and have his team play out similar type situations i.e. pin the player with the 2nd yellow to the floor long enough for the ref/lineman to take notice, dish out the yellows, and then the opponent is sent off as its his second yellow.

Surely no coach in their right mind is thinking to himself when setting out the training schedule - """mmm, I think I'll have the lads do a bit of mud-wrestling tonight".

stockshares · 09-03-2020 3:17pm

flasher0030 wrote: »

Is it not obvious that with the controversy in the past few weeks about David Clifford and Michael Murphy unjustly getting sent off for second yellow in these type of scuffles i.e. floor wrestle - that this dude decided to play on it and have his team play out similar type situations i.e. pin the player with the 2nd yellow to the floor long enough for the ref/lineman to take notice, dish out the yellows, and then the opponent is sent off as its his second yellow.

Surely no coach in their right mind is thinking to himself when setting out the training schedule - """mmm, I think I'll have the lads do a bit of mud-wrestling tonight".

That's what I thought. Practicing cynical play.

Eamonn8448 · 09-03-2020 3:25pm

as a kerryman very disappointed in this, wheres the f***ing football ball ? Fair enough get into a tussle but put the ball into your teams advantage, the coach is missing the entire point of the game footBALL

stockshares · 09-03-2020 3:31pm

That drill is also unhealthy. Rolling around in mud and water with some players heads pushed into the mud/water would more than likely result in flus, infections etc and result in players missing training and matches. It makes no sense.

If it was for grappling/cardio reasons it could have been performed indoors on mats.

Realt Dearg Sec · 09-03-2020 3:43pm

Jesus wept...

sk9 · 09-03-2020 7:11pm

stockshares wrote: »

That drill is also unhealthy. Rolling around in mud and water with some players heads pushed into the mud/water would more than likely result in flus, infections etc and result in players missing training and matches. It makes no sense.

If it was for grappling/cardio reasons it could have been performed indoors on mats.

That is a major, major reach. If you're scared of mud and water, you're in the wrong country.

To be honest I personally don't have a problem with the wrestling itself (plenty of teams do boxing in the preseason, breaks up the monotomy of running constantly) but the way the coach talks about the players is an embarrassment.

The Lost Sheep · 10-03-2020 3:08pm

siblers wrote: »

Video from Kilcummin Gaa of lads pinning each other to the ground. It's not that I find it offensive but I find it crazy that this is part of training. It's good aerobic training but don't get the impression this is what the drill is being used for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp9nFSWN9uE

its a good drill to practice strength/aerobic. Bit much to be saying it's not what the drill is being used for.

S.G.M. wrote: »

'Bury his face into the ground'.
Just say a player suffered from panic attacks or asthma even, this sort of crap could easily trigger an attack if they were to get pinned in an awkward position.
A specific example I know but still a valid point.

I just think it's ridiculous and serves no purpose other than mancho bravado crap.

that is very much ott. And speaking as someone who suffers from panic attacks and have done this type of drill in rugby sessions it wouldnt at all easily trigger a panic attack. It's a physical drill that is good to see how hard players can fight

stockshares wrote: »

https://www.offtheball.com/football/kerry-club-gaa-whatsapp-video-978621

It's from Kilcummin Gaa in Kerry. Intermediate team training.

It looks like they are deliberately practicing cynical play.
Is this what the Gaa has come to.

Sheep led by Donkeys. The Manager is probably getting a few quid while the players get **** all only abuse roared at them.

its not deliberately practicing cynical play. It's a team in pre season mode doing a physical drill.

stockshares wrote: »

The atmosphere in that session was obnoxious and could be construed as abusive. No way is it best practice.

As I said Sheep led by Donkeys. Just cos they won an intermediate Championship doesn't make it ok.

If players are ok with this ****e it's no wonder every game is infested with pulling and dragging and vicious spite.

you cant at all describe the atmosphere as obnoxious and certainly cant say it isnt best practice or abusive.

Strumms wrote: »

100%, if they had a captain worth his salt with a bit of integrity he’d be messaging the guys to refuse to do it at the next session. There is fûck all sporting, fûck all fitness value that can’t be achieved doing other more traditional and appropriate workouts and fûck all in the way of character building and it certainly won’t help winning matches... that is a bully pure and simple and it sounds like he is getting some kick out of watching a load of lads, rolling around in the mud together... weirdo. Lads just need to stand side by side... “no we won’t be doing that and if you have a problem with it, you might end up face down in the mud yourself.

Imagine too parents now, of children playing underage, seeing what goes on, the premise being at some point that might be awaiting them. Jeeez.

I would have done this drill regularly in rugby sessions. Yes it's more valid in rugby with way tackle/ruck etc work but point is still valid. It's good to see how hard players can work. It's a body weight trainingbexercixe

stockshares wrote: »

If their ok with it there's something wrong with them. The manager sounded like a bully and seemed to get a kick out of Lads being dominated.

Gaa lads tend to follow as they are very eager to get somewhere, they rarely question. You must be seen to be the tough guy. That manager would create a bullying culture with his methods if he hasn't already

Good point about the parents. It doesn't look much like a progressive healthy sport in that video.

Gaa is for all. You suggest weeding out the weak but what your actually doing is weeding out the intelligent and being left with the stupid. Who would put up with that bullying.

you are just getting hysterical now. Gaa is for all but this incident isn't weeding out the weak or the creation of a bullying culture.

Marty Xavier · 10-03-2020 6:20pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Has nothing to do with Gaelic football. Clowns.

This is a standard tactic now when the game is nearly up, players wrestle their opponent to the ground to slow the play down, if it happens all over the park the ref struggles with it and it eats into the clock. Dublin invented this move against Mayo a few years back, the thinking is that even if someone gets a card it's worth it.
For me if it is done the team who are behind should be given a free kick immediately from the spot it happens, if it happens again then the free is brought forward etc. if it happens a third time perhaps a penalty kick?

10-03-2020 6:24pm

Marty Xavier wrote: »

This is a standard tactic now when the game is nearly up, players wrestle their opponent to the ground to slow the play down, if it happens all over the park the ref struggles with it and it eats into the clock. Dublin invented this move against Mayo a few years back, the thinking is that even if someone gets a card it's worth it.
For me if it is done the team who are behind should be given a free kick immediately from the spot it happens, if it happens again then the free is brought forward etc. if it happens a third time perhaps a penalty kick?

That whole post was just to say that.

Do not let the **** up

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