Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

JDD · 09-03-2020 03:37PM

The question regarding kids...

From what I have read online (and I am not medically qualified) seems that kids, because they have no acquired immunity to the multitude of viruses and bacteria out there, have a stronger-than-adult immune system reaction to any would-be invaders. While our bodies start rifling through the filing cabinets to see if we have had this thing before, or sit back relaxing saying "sure its just the flu", kids' bodies are going into Wuhan-style overdrive because this infection could be Ebola for all it knows. Plus, older people just have crappier immune systems, to match the crappy knees and shoulders.

So you might see your kids with a shorter lived infection, perhaps with a short lived high temperature. Unlikely to do more damage than that to them.

Hopefully, that means the schools stay open. As long as there's enough teachers to teach in them of course.

tobefrank321 · 09-03-2020 03:37PM

Strazdas wrote: »

My argument is we are heading into hysterical overreaction territory. Ireland is not Bologna.

I'm sure the Bologna version of you was saying a couple of months ago "this is crazy, we are not Wuhan".

Ficheall · 09-03-2020 03:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

in today's news anyone caught leaving the lock-down zones in Italy will face prison.

My friend (was working as an au pair, with flight booked ages ago for today) is making her way from Italy to London today from one of the lock-down zones; two trains already, currently on a bus, and bound for a flight from Milan. I'm not sure how enforced the advertised restrictions will be.

cnocbui · 09-03-2020 03:38PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Well Holy ****ing ****, they've grown some balls.

No, they are just scared that Cork beating them to it would see calls for Cork to be the seat of power on account of more brains.

cnocbui · 09-03-2020 03:39PM

Ficheall wrote: »

My friend (was working as an au pair, with flight booked ages ago for today) is making her way from Italy to London today from one of the lock-down zones; two trains already, currently on a bus, and bound for a flight from Milan. I'm not sure how enforced the advertised restrictions will be.

Typhoid Mary friend.

recyclebin · 09-03-2020 03:39PM

Cork parade is cancelled

NegativeCreep · 09-03-2020 03:40PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Everyone can have their own take on the reasons. Mine is that debt levels are high and much of that debt will soon be irrecoverable. Debt sparked the 2007/9 GFC. History repeating, if you ask me.

You could be right. I’m not an expert on economics by any stretch of the imagination. I was just repeating what I heard from an economist on RTE Radio this morning. Either way, the figures are scary stuff and possibly more of a concern than the virus.

Strazdas · 09-03-2020 03:40PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm sure the Bologna version of you was saying a couple of months ago "this is crazy, we are not Wuhan".

The point is that Wuhan and Bologna have not been replicated all over the place. People are putting two and two together and coming up with fifty : assuming there will be thousands of fatalities in every country where CV appears.

Cilldara_2000 · 09-03-2020 03:40PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Well Holy ****ing ****, they've grown some balls.

It has been blindingly obvious for more than a week that they would eventually cancel St Patrick's Day.

paleoperson · 09-03-2020 03:41PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Cheltenham is still going ahead.

By your logic, all us Irish were infected by the Italians at the weekend, and anyone going to Cheltenham is equally selfish and idiotic?

No dumbass that isn't the same thing or "by my logic" at all. Italy has hundreds of deaths and thousands of confirmed cases. Italy is the main hub and the vector of it in europe. They are already saying Italy's response is too late. How the hell is confirmed cases the same as people in contact with confirmed cases? The whole point of cancelling the event was to stop the spread.

Irish people may or maybe not shouldn't be travelling to Cheltenham but it's not the same as coming from a place in lockdown like Italy.

Here is how Simon Harris explained away what could effectively be a death sentence for many older people:

Q: Why is Ireland not restricting flights to and from Italy?

A: Health Minister Simon Harris said that the advice from public health experts, both here and in the EU, was that restricting flights wouldn’t be effective. One reason is that someone from an affected region could arrive here on a flight from a third country.

In relation to Italian fans travelling to Ireland, he said they will be dispersed and the risk is not the same as it would have been if they were in the confined space of the Aviva Stadium for the duration of the match.

“We don’t have a travel ban in the European Union. There isn’t a global ban in place. It is a fact of life that people will continue to move from one member state to another. It’s about being proportionate,” said Mr Harris to RTÉ.

citysights · 09-03-2020 03:41PM

JDD wrote: »

The question regarding kids...

From what I have read online (and I am not medically qualified) seems that kids, because they have no acquired immunity to the multitude of viruses and bacteria out there, have a stronger-than-adult immune system reaction to any would-be invaders. While our bodies start rifling through the filing cabinets to see if we have had this thing before, or sit back relaxing saying "sure its just the flu", kids' bodies are going into Wuhan-style overdrive because this infection could be Ebola for all it knows. Plus, older people just have crappier immune systems, to match the crappy knees and shoulders.

So you might see your kids with a shorter lived infection, perhaps with a short lived high temperature. Unlikely to do more damage than that to them.

Hopefully, that means the schools stay open. As long as there's enough teachers to teach in them of course.

Did I read somewhere it was kids under nine who had immunity? Are they sure if this?

thomas 123 · 09-03-2020 03:42PM

JDD wrote: »

The question regarding kids...

From what I have read online (and I am not medically qualified) seems that kids, because they have no acquired immunity to the multitude of viruses and bacteria out there, have a stronger-than-adult immune system reaction to any would-be invaders. While our bodies start rifling through the filing cabinets to see if we have had this thing before, or sit back relaxing saying "sure its just the flu", kids' bodies are going into Wuhan-style overdrive because this infection could be Ebola for all it knows. Plus, older people just have crappier immune systems, to match the crappy knees and shoulders.

So you might see your kids with a shorter lived infection, perhaps with a short lived high temperature. Unlikely to do more damage than that to them.

Hopefully, that means the schools stay open. As long as there's enough teachers to teach in them of course.

Yeah and what happens when they go visit granny and grandad or when the teacher visits granny and grandad. Or what about when they hug mom and dad and mom and dad go visit granny and grandad?

We are lacking serious empathy for our elderly population.

fr336 · 09-03-2020 03:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

The point is that Wuhan and Bologna have not been replicated all over the place. People are putting two and two together and coming up with fifty : assuming there will be thousands of fatalities in every country where CV appears.

Are you not a little worried about Germany and France? A pattern is emerging...maybe it won't be as quick as Italy, but...

Phil.x · 09-03-2020 03:42PM

Just looked at Milan airport on flightradar and it seems Ryanair is singlehandedly trying it's best to spread this virus to every inch of europe, a huge amount of flights.

darjeeling · 09-03-2020 03:42PM

fr336 wrote: »

And Bologna wasn't Bologna until two weeks ago. And Wuhan wasn't Wuhan until three months ago. Have people never heard of prevention better than cure? Clearly not.

Outside China, this is what the global epidemic looks like in terms of confirmed cases and fatalities.
Two weeks ago there were 1,300 cases, today 30,000.

Sir Oxman · 09-03-2020 03:43PM

Parade cancelled. (Dublin)
RTE RAdio 1

grazer · 09-03-2020 03:43PM

Dublin St Patrick's Day parade cancelled
Source - Joe ehhhh Duffy

fritzelly · 09-03-2020 03:43PM

Patrick Day parade officially cancelled

el Fenomeno · 09-03-2020 03:44PM

citysights wrote: »

Did I read somewhere it was kids under nine who had immunity? Are they sure if this?

There are no casualties from those under 9. Doesn't necessarily mean they are immune.

Snow Garden · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Parade cancelled. (Dublin)
RTE RAdio 1

Great. People can stop obsessing about it.

We're saved!

Hector Savage · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

Xertz wrote: »

Cases per capita would make an awful lot more sense than “X country has more than 1000 cases”.

Fairly meaningless stats when people are comparing Iceland and China, as I saw on a US news channel. Reykjavik would register as a village on Chinese scale.

It's interesting, but population density must be a factor too ?

dan786 · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

There you go...

The Cabinet sub-committee dealing with the coronavirus has decided to cancel the St Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin.

Ipso · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

The blue and purple dot are close together.

Strazdas · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

fr336 wrote: »

Are you not a little worried about Germany and France? A pattern is emerging...maybe it won't be as quick as Italy, but...

Overall deaths across the planet are less than 4000. It's way too soon to be making projections of hundreds of thousands or millions of fatalities. The virus could go into decline long before that ever happens.

celt262 · 09-03-2020 03:45PM

Grazer and Fritzelly better luck next time :pac:

Rob A. Bank · 09-03-2020 03:46PM

dan786 wrote: »

There you go...

The Cabinet sub-committee dealing with the coronavirus has decided to cancel the St Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin.

Slow learners ?

Glenbhoy · 09-03-2020 03:46PM

citysights wrote: »

Did I read somewhere it was kids under nine who had immunity? Are they sure if this?

WHO suggested that perhaps they're getting mild strains, or perhaps their lungs aren't well enough developed for the virus to properly take hold, but thusfar they seem relatively unaffected.
They'd still be carriers though, so the reason schools would be closed is to prevent them infecting each other (more likely than adults infecting each other - hygiene and personal space considerations!) and then spreading the virus, particularly to older adults - grandparents who may be looking after them etc...

stockshares · 09-03-2020 03:46PM

To put things in perspective.

From Worldometers website

CLOSED CASES
66,581

Cases which had an outcome:
62,695 (94%) Recovered / Discharged

3,886 (6%)Dead

So up to now there is a 6% chance of death if you catch it.

Hector Savage · 09-03-2020 03:47PM

stockshares wrote: »

To put things in perspective.

CLOSED CASES
66,581

Cases which had an outcome:
62,695 (94%) Recovered / Discharged

3,886 (6%)Dead

And most of those deaths were in Wuhan

Pistachio19 · 09-03-2020 03:47PM

cherryghost wrote: »

Yes, and company has informed me now to self-isolate for 2 weeks if she comes.

Putting my foot down at this stage. Beyond a joke

Definitely put a stop to her staying with you and visiting your family if she does decide to travel. The thougts of a 2-3 week stay in a hotel where she will have to self isolate in her room and pay for room service might be enough to put her off. :mad:

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP