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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #3002
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    1641 wrote: »
    Using GDP in ireland to measure or compare tax takes is highly distorting. It is well recognised that our GDP figure is highly distorted by large multinationals having their accounting headquarters here for european or worldwide business here, while conducting little if the business here. It is why the CSO, the ESRI and other bodies prefer GNI : https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-nie/nie2017/mgni/


    A more realistic comparative measure regarding health expenditure is per capita spend. On this, Ireland's €4,706 per head of population is 1/3 above the OECD average and the 7th highest in the 36 nation OECD (2018 figures). Even adjusting this to reflect differences in purchasing power/cost of living, we were still well above average. And this is in the context of us not having one of the oldest demographics, which would normally increase health costs.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-among-highest-spenders-on-health-per-person-in-oecd-1.3547256
    rubbish 4706 X4.9 million is € 23.06 billion :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Actually our public health spend is only slightly above the average and we have some of the best outcomes
    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/ireland-country-health-profile-2019_2393fd0a-en#page9


  • #3003
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    I wonder do the 'there are only 22 cases in Ireland' people just assume that the virus waits for permission from the HSE to go infecting people?

    I'd imagine they are people who value facts and evidence over just making up your own numbers if the real numbers don't suitably satisfy your lust for disaster.


  • #3004
    venusdoom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭venusdoom


    callaway92 wrote:
    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.

    It's surprising how different companies are taking different approaches to this. My OH's company are sending him to the UK training this week. Email came out about non essential travel to China, Italy etc. But not the U.K. I think your gfs workplace may be a bit overboard there but then again, maybe they're right. Hard to call.


  • #3005
    industry accountant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭industry accountant


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    If you think there are only 22 can I have your credit card details?


  • #3006
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The HSE haven't given possible numbers over the next three months, that was done by an outside source. Look at the numbers 22 out of 4.9 million, says it all.

    But the outside source was quoting from an internal HSE report, and the HSE publicly said they could not dispute the figures.

    You're repeating the same fallacy as the Italians a month ago, we only have X cases. It's absolutely not the metric to use for infectious diseases.

    22 cases today says nothing about the risk this virus represents, especially as community transmission has started.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #3007
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    They're going to announce more tonight obviously so its clear there's more than 22 the question is how many.


  • #3008
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Which is worse?

    2 weeks no pay and being cooked up for it or taking the hit of not going?

    That's a bit of an unfair response. I'm looking for a factual answer if possible.


  • #3009
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Probably similar questions been asked a million times, but Girlfiend and her Sister had a personal trip over to London booked (before the Coronavirus became a thing) for first weekend of April.

    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.

    Are they within their remit to do this? Bearing in mind if she cancels now she'll be out for pocket for flights, accommodation and theater tickets.

    Small crux in it is that she's currently on her notice period at the moment (finishing up the end of April)

    Thank you

    No, they can’t do that to her.


  • #3010
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes and without any of the crazy Chinese measures as far as I'm aware which is encouraging

    They've set up drive thru test centres. They have Soldiers spraying disinfectant in the streets etc. Ok they haven't locked people in their homes but they are doing substantially more than any European country is doing. There's no stomach for that sort of approach over here. You only need to look at the health unions yesterday saying they won't accept various emergency proposals to deal with this crisis.


  • #3011
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    You don't seem to understand the concept of community transmission.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #3012
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    I am afraid you will be proven wrong. There is community transmission taking place - that means that some of those 22 caught it from people who have not been identified yet and therefore there are more people carrying the virus.

    I don't mean to be alarmist, but the reality is that those that have been infected by unknown sources have caught the virus outside of the other officially numbered cases.


  • #3013
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I've just checked the Aer Lingus website and all flights from Milan to Dublin are Sold Out for several months to come. Does this mean the flights are effectively cancelled from Milan to Dublin?

    Either that or there is some bargains being snapped up!!


  • #3014
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    MadYaker wrote: »
    They're going to announce more tonight obviously so its clear there's more than 22 the question is how many.

    I thought it was 21 confirmed?
    Is there another case ?


  • #3015
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    2 of the cases yesterday were from community transmission i.e. not related to travel from a hot zone or contact with a known case. By definition that means there are more infections out there beyond the 22 known cases. Fact.


  • #3016
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Boggles wrote: »
    He isn't.

    Schools will definitely be closed.

    When is the only question, next week wouldn't be a bad guess.

    if they can hold school closures for another week... we'd roll nicely into a 2 week Easter break


  • #3017
    evil_seed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    Our office has put in place a work-from-home-for-the-next-2-weeks-if-you-want strategy. Not sure it'll do any good though


  • #3018
    sammyjo90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,236 ✭✭✭✭sammyjo90


    venusdoom wrote: »
    It's surprising how different companies are taking different approaches to this. My OH's company are sending him to the UK training this week. Email came out about non essential travel to China, Italy etc. But not the U.K. I think your gfs workplace may be a bit overboard there but then again, maybe they're right. Hard to call.

    Mine will being conducting a risk assessment if anyone travels anywhere abroad. If you travel you will be working from home/ paid leave until told to come back


  • #3019
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    Wait until computer science guys comes along later with some real numbers


  • #3020
    catrat12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭catrat12


    Just a quick one about the school I work in I reckon at least 100 kids are going away over the weekend and paddies yet no advice or letter will be sent to parents
    places include Disney land skiing in France and Austria I’m appalled and quite afraid really but what can I do I need to work


  • #3021
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Cw85 wrote: »
    That's Bull. 22 is the actual number as reported by the HSE. This is the scare mongering I'm talking about, saying numbers are higher when you have no proof to back it up. there's factual proof 22 people have it, end of.

    End of :D Take your head out of the sand, there is now community spread and the way this virus works with a lag of symptoms showing/people being asymptomatic and our very narrow testing criteria we have many more cases out there


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  • #3022
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Overall critical/serious cases just hovering over 13% now.

    Down from 18% not that long ago.


  • #3023
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    callaway92 wrote: »
    That's a bit of an unfair response. I'm looking for a factual answer if possible.

    Its a bit blunt Ill admit but so is the boss.


  • #3024
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    catrat12 wrote: »
    Just a quick one about the school I work in I reckon at least 100 kids are going away over the weekend and paddies yet no advice or letter will be sent to parents
    places include Disney land skiing in France and Austria I’m appalled and quite afraid really but what can I do I need to work

    Bonkers, hopefully the trips will be cancelled shortly


  • #3025
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world


  • #3026
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Xertz wrote: »
    That’s €3625 per capita based on pop of 4.8 million.

    Compares with 2017 figures in the U.K. of £2,989 / €3423 per capita in the UK for the NHS.

    It’s not wildly out of line, although we have another chunk of private spending too.

    I would speculate that our population went up too, if the housing crisis is anything to go by and we’ve serious legacy issues from long term lack of investment that tends to push our costs up due to short term, stop gap setups like agency staff, outsourcing to private sector where there is lack of supply of certain long waiting list procedures etc etc etc

    That’s also drastically impacted by the aftermath of 2008 and the troika period.

    I certainly wouldn’t look at Irish health spending as % GDP though as our GDP is absolutely bonkers. That being said, some of those distortions also apply to the U.K. due to size of financial sector and odd businesses like movement of gold etc.

    € or $ per capita spends in similar income economies is often a far more realistic comparison.


    Correct me if I am wrong, Xertz, but is that figure of €3625 the one as adjusted by the OECD to reflect differences in purchasing power?

    "Health spending per capita in Ireland is above the EU average


    In 2017, health spending per capita in Ireland stood at EUR 3,406 (adjusted for differences in purchasing power), around one-fifth above the EU average".


  • #3027
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    2 of the cases yesterday we from community transmission i.e. not related to travel from a hot zone or contact with a known case. By definition that means there are more infections out there beyond the 22 known cases. Fact.

    It looks like we have 3 cases of community transmission in the ICU. Going by rates of critical cases probably about 100 people infected this time last week when they would have been infected.

    I'd estimate 2-300 cases now + whatever we've imported from abroad.


  • #3028
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    Id be of the stance there's a lot of fear mongering.

    I'd also be of the stance that you're being very, very naive if you think there's only 22 cases.

    Given how they are testing, etc, there's 100% more that haven't been diagnosed yet.


  • #3029
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Wait until computer science guys comes along later with some real numbers

    Computer science guys can diagnose, now?


  • #3030
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    There are more than the confirmed number unless you can explain where the community transmission cases got their infection from? Divine intervention perhaps.


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  • #3031
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Advising people of regular hand washing techniques is well and good but people don't know when to do it.

    So many examples:
    Going in and out from buildings - work, restaurants, whatever. Wash hands
    Coming home from coming in from public - the first thing people should do is wash hands.



    This virus is never going to be contained any more. Theres community transmissions. Some people will do their part with the guidelines but others will be reckless and careless.


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