Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

09-03-2020 10:37AM

Steve F wrote: »

Anyone notice if you watch/listen to RTE and BBC coverage RTE only report cases.BBC report cases,deaths AND recoveries?
Just a thought.......

I don’t think there could be any recovery figure yet as first case was about 10 days ago.

Babooshka · 09-03-2020 10:38AM

NIMAN wrote: »

They love a good row, the Aussies.
They'd fight with their grannies.

Well a lot of them are of Irish descent so that makes sense really, have you seen the bickering on this thread?

LuckyLloyd · 09-03-2020 10:38AM

JDD wrote: »

Lads, does it feel like things are getting more positive?

I was expecting a lot more confirmed cases over the weekend. Now, you can say we’re not testing enough, but it’s been two full weeks since the Italian outbreak (and probably three or four weeks in reality). I would have expected a lot more of “the 15%” serious cases showing up by now - testing or no testing.

SK seems to have gotten a handle on their outbreak, new cases are down today. I know that could be because they’ve finished their mass testing of that cult, but still, it’s positive news. I know Italy hasn’t gotten to grips with theirs yet, but with the semi-sorta-lockdown you’d hope new cases would start to come down over the next week.

And I keep coming back to the trickle of cases here. It’s not so unbelievable when you compare infections per capita with our closest neighbours, the U.K.

The unknown is, of course, the US. But until we actually know that they have an extensive outbreak I don’t think we should worry about it to much.

All in all, a fairly good news day.

NVRL not open Sundays. Cases reported yesterday were confirmed before yesterday. Backlog of tests today and tomorrow will show a spike. If they don’t you’ll then have your good news story.

Tootsie_1 · 09-03-2020 10:39AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If this is going to happen it needs to be announced now today. Although knowing our authorities it will be a last minute thing as per usual.

Needs to be announced in advanced to hopefully stop a lot of travellers that would be coming to Ireland for it . Government taking way to long to make these decisions.

Rob A. Bank · 09-03-2020 10:39AM

We have blown the chance of using our greatest asset…we are an island.

Our politicians could learn a lot from them !

Taiwan (pop 24 million) is an island 81 miles (128km) from the Chinese coast less than half the size of Ireland, with some 850,000 Taiwanese living and working in China.

Taiwan should and could have been one of the hardest hit.

It has so far managed to keep confirmed cases to 45 with one death, 15 recovered and none in a serious condition.

Meanwhile infection rates in China have topped 80,000 and the virus has mushroomed in places like South Korea, Japan, Iran and Italy.

They started their preventive measures on 31 December 2019 when there were just 27 cases in Wohan. They had their first case on 21 January.

How they did it...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-outbreak-taipei-taiwan-china

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Taiwan#Preventive_measures_before_the_first_confirmed_case

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/taiwan-reins-spread-coronavirus-countries-stumble-200307034353325.html

CrankyHaus · 09-03-2020 10:40AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If this is going to happen it needs to be announced now today. Although knowing our authorities it will be a last minute thing as per usual.

Minimal risk control benefit for the same amount of disruption they'd get if they just cancelled it early. Sounds fairly representative of the official response here.

Nijmegen · 09-03-2020 10:40AM

Water John wrote: »

The worry is about the 3 community spread infections. If these can be localised it would be a real boost.

The first community spread infection was identified days ago. Considering the incubation period for the virus (4-5 days up to 14 days) it's highly likely the genie is out of the bottle. There was a graph on here last night showing every country post-50 cases and how quickly it goes. That's typically because the community transmission has kicked off.

We've seen this predictable pattern now in a number of countries.

patnor1011 · 09-03-2020 10:40AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

That is not evidence about the current epidemic... it is just speculation.

Sure. What is happening in Korea, Iran and Italy put it in perspective. When you see how virus work in other countries you can be pretty sure that chinese are not reporting real data.
Our own numbers should be pretty good example too. Not a case week ago and now 33. Lets revisit that number in a week. And then in 3 months from now.
Then you will see yourself how real data looks like.

ThePopehimself · 09-03-2020 10:41AM

lafors wrote: »

So going on the HSE recommendations if you have the symptoms you're fine unless you've been to an infected area or have been in direct contact with someone who has it.
Am I paranoid but both my kids have temperatures, coughs, sore throat, one has a croup cough he gets when he's stuck like this and he has an inhaler for.
So according to the HSE (or other health executives elsewhere) they're fine because they've not been to anywhere with it or (knowingly) being in contact with someone with it.

Paranoia level high :o

Phone the helpline anyway.

We already have three cases of community transmission. Keep them out of school and away from friends/relatives. Especially elderly relatives.

caveat emptor · 09-03-2020 10:41AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are a perfect example of,if you have to go to work,WEAR a MASK

There are idiots who wear masks thinking that they wont get other people's bugs
But the very idea of the mask is to prevent your bugs hitting others or droplets landing on surfaces
Please also keep 4 to 5 feet from everyone and make sure they are washing hands before putting food in their mouth

There is a difference between a respirator and a surgical mask.

Develop some critical thinking skills.

https://theprepared.com/gear/reviews/best-gas-mask-respirator-survival/

So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/coronavirus-face-mask-facts-spreading-covid-19

KilOit · 09-03-2020 10:41AM

Stock market crash yesterday and corona virus! We're ****ed. Hello recession

Utter Consternation · 09-03-2020 10:42AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Poor lad probably has bad Alzheimer's or something:(

I was thinking it could be something like that. It was just after raining and there was a good coat of water on it.

odyssey06 · 09-03-2020 10:42AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Anyone else think it was totally irresponsible of that weekend headline that said 1.9 million of us could catch the virus?
Considering the country of origin with 1.4billion inhabitants had 100,000 cases, why would do a small country in comparison have nearly 20 times the number of cases?
Media gonna hype I suppose.

The HSE have draft models showing that up to 1.9 million people could be infected:
https://www.businesspost.ie/health/irish-health-authorities-predict-19m-people-will-fall-ill-with-coronavirus-701e4838

The head of the HSE does not dispute those figures:
https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-chief-...37746-Mar2020/

You could say the media are jumping the gun and leading with the worst case scenario but they didn't invent the numbers out of thin air.

Cork Boy 53 · 09-03-2020 10:44AM

Don't know if it has been mentioned already but what is going to happen to all the hordes that are or will soon be in Cheltenham for the festival this week. The organisers claim to have put public health measures in place but there must be a high chance of some infected people spreading the virus over the next few days. Given the huge numbers that travel to there from Ireland every year can we expect to see a sudden upsurge in cases here among returning racegoers. I think there is a high chance we will.

Funsterdelux · 09-03-2020 10:45AM

Utter Consternation wrote: »

I was thinking it could be something like that. It was just after raining and there was a good coat of water on it.

He could have just had an almighty salty fry up and was parched

tobefrank321 · 09-03-2020 10:47AM

amadangomor wrote: »

It's been posted on here many times that the Chinese brought the full force of the state to bear in locking down the city where the outbreak started. They enforced people staying in their homes under strict penalty and can make up their own rules to do what it takes.

We are a Western democracy and do not have the legal right or indeed the will to take these drastic measures. Look at Italy as a better example of what we are more likely to be like in a few weeks

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people in the vulnerable category here would gladly sacrifice their legal rights for a year or two to get on top of this situation.

Sometimes life is more important than legal rights in the short to medium term.

Once coronavirus is under control, we can go back to discussing our legal rights.

The Chinese got this spot on, act fast, worry about legal rights later. Better to save lives than hold philosophical discussions about legal rights which seems to be the approach in the west.

caveat emptor · 09-03-2020 10:47AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Minimal risk control benefit for the same amount of disruption they'd get if they just cancelled it early. Sounds fairly representative of the official response here.

https://twitter.com/sineadgleeson/status/1236938018805690370?s=20

Nijmegen · 09-03-2020 10:47AM

Utter Consternation wrote: »

I was thinking it could be something like that. It was just after raining and there was a good coat of water on it.

It's rare but known to see some folks with perhaps intellectual disabilities licking things. Kids, too. In the former case it's a problem as they often will have other problems. Please God their carers can be vigilant to this.

Humberto Salazar · 09-03-2020 10:48AM

Cheaper petrol and home heating oil incoming, it's not all bad. Oil prices collapsing to about 32 dollars a barrel.

is_that_so · 09-03-2020 10:48AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The HSE have draft models showing that up to 1.9 million people could be infected:
https://www.businesspost.ie/health/irish-health-authorities-predict-19m-people-will-fall-ill-with-coronavirus-701e4838

The head of the HSE does not dispute those figures:
https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-chief-...37746-Mar2020/

You could say the media are jumping the gun and leading with the worst case scenario but they didn't invent the numbers out of thin air.

It's not the headline per se, it's the nature of it. It's a whole lot more attention-grabbing than just two more cases since Friday. Did the article even mention the utter improbability of it or point out the importance of having such contingency plans?

ThePopehimself · 09-03-2020 10:49AM

SheepInFields wrote: »

Someone in our office flew off to Italy for the weekend against all "non-essential" travel advice and in complete disregard for their colleagues' health.

Now over the weekend we find out that any staff returning from Italy will be told to stay at home for 14 days. We dont have remote working access.

This absolute ****ing idiot now gets 2 weeks off work and their colleagues workload increases substantially (its a small team) because they were a selfish idiot.

I'm fuming.

I wouldn't blame you.

So is this what "We are asking people to take personal responsibility" looks like? What a joke! He should be held to account.

Rob A. Bank · 09-03-2020 10:49AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sure. What is happening in Korea, Iran and Italy put it in perspective. When you see how virus work in other countries you can be pretty sure that chinese are not reporting real data.
Our own numbers should be pretty good example too. Not a case week ago and now 33. Lets revisit that number in a week. And then in 3 months from now.
Then you will see yourself how real data looks like.

And what about Taiwan ?

81 miles (128km) from the Chinese coast.

45 cases with one death, 15 recovered and none in a serious condition.

And a government who actually cares about it's people, particularly their elderly and infirm, Unlike the neo-liberal governments like ours who care more about 'business interests' !

09-03-2020 10:49AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Chinese cant be trusted in this. Period.

But Mike Pompeo can be?

patnor1011 · 09-03-2020 10:50AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

We have blown the chance of using our greatest asset…we are an island.

Our politicians could learn a lot from them !

Taiwan (pop 24 million) is an island 81 miles (128km) from the Chinese coast less than half the size of Ireland, with some 850,000 Taiwanese living and working in China.

Taiwan should and could have been one of the hardest hit.

It has so far managed to keep confirmed cases to 45 with one death, 15 recovered and none in a serious condition.

Meanwhile infection rates in China have topped 80,000 and the virus has mushroomed in places like South Korea, Japan, Iran and Italy.

They started their preventive measures on 31 December 2019 when there were just 27 cases in Wohan. They had their first case on 21 January.

How they did it...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-outbreak-taipei-taiwan-china

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Taiwan#Preventive_measures_before_the_first_confirmed_case

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/taiwan-reins-spread-coronavirus-countries-stumble-200307034353325.html

A lot of people do not realize simple thing. That China was a ground zero and Singapore or Taiwan next in line - meaning they most likely could get it from china only.

We are right in the middle of it all as virus spread to most of the countries so we are, and will be getting it from all sides.

MarkY91 · 09-03-2020 10:50AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If this is going to happen it needs to be announced now today. Although knowing our authorities it will be a last minute thing as per usual.

Doesn't even matter. Majority of people will still fly in for the week and obviously flock to temple bar along with the Irish who are in the "just a flu" mindframe.

We're ****ed.

Nijmegen · 09-03-2020 10:51AM

Interesting from Vietnam. They went 22 days without reporting any new infections, then got 14; of which 7 are British citizens linked to a single flight from London.

Vietnam has suspended its visa-waiver programme for citizens from Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain, in an effort to prevent the spread of coronavirus within its borders.

Guardian Southeast Asia correspondent Rebecca Ratcliffe reports that the announcement follows confirmation of several new cases linked to a flight that arrived in Hanoi from London on 2 March. The country had gone 22 days without reporting any new infections, before the new cluster of cases emerged.

Seven British citizens are among the 14 new patients to test positive over recent days. Officials have since quarantined tens of passengers from the flight as well as their contacts.

The British foreign office said that it is in contact with authorities in Vietnam over the issue, but did not state how many British citizens are in isolation. As of Sunday, Vietnam reported that it had recorded a total of 30 infections.

is_that_so · 09-03-2020 10:51AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

And what about Taiwan ?

81 miles (128km) from the Chinese coast.

45 cases with one death, 15 recovered and none in a serious condition.

And a government who actually cares about it's people, particularly their elderly and infirm, Unlike the neo-liberal governments like ours who care more about 'business interests' !

"Business interests" employ people so that they can feed their families and look after the elderly and infirm.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2020 10:52AM

Are the normal numbers of people really going to come here for St Patrick's Day even if it goes ahead?

I doubt it.

Drumpot · 09-03-2020 10:52AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not the headline per se, it's the nature of it. It's a whole lot more attention-grabbing than just two more cases since Friday. Did the article even mention the utter improbability of it or point out the importance of having such contingency plans?

Have you looked into the logic behind the statistics or are you dismissing it because you don’t like the sound of it?

I don’t mind people questioning the figures but if they don’t have any reasonable rebuttal other then “papers hype” (which we all know) , then I’d suggest maybe they read up a bit more on why these figures could potentially play out.

Seems like maybe a bit of fear wouldn’t be necessarily a bad thing for people who still can’t grasp how bad this might get.

Nijmegen · 09-03-2020 10:53AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are the normal numbers of people really going to come here for St Patrick's Day even if it goes ahead?

I doubt it.

I doubt it too, but that Vietnam case above is fascinating. 7 cases associated with 1 flight from London.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP