Lizzo and "body positivity"

Wuff Wuff · 06-03-2020 10:52PM

She can bring me for walkies any day

MakingMovies2 · 06-03-2020 11:59PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

If Lizzo wants to eat five thousand calories a day, dress in skimpy clothing and feel sexy as fuq, that is Lizzo's business. I agree it is quite refreshing. I don't think she should feel sh1t.

But if she says to the public that her weight is something to be positive about, simply responding with "I disagree" is not unfair.

Why should it matter to her whether you agree or disagree with her? You live your life and leave her to hers. Whatever perverse joy Irish people get from running others down.

NIMAN · 07-03-2020 12:04AM

Most of those defending her tend to be on the big side themselves.

But to be fair to her, she is a great music artist.

MakingMovies2 · 07-03-2020 12:05AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Most of those defending her tend to be on the big side themselves.

How can you tell what people on boards look like to make that judgement? Put up a picture of yourself so Adonis and give us a look.

NIMAN · 07-03-2020 12:07AM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

How can you tell what people on boards look like to make that judgement? Put up a picture of yourself so Adonis and give us a look.

Not on this thread.
I have seen body positivity defenders on tv before, and they tend to be big.

Just saying.

It's her body, her life, her choice. I don't care what she looks like.

Raconteuse · 07-03-2020 12:09AM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Why should it matter to her whether you agree or disagree with her? You live your life and leave her to hers. Whatever perverse joy Irish people get from running others down.

If you do something in private, that's your business. If you however make a statement publicly, people will respond/give opinions - that goes for anything. You give such opinions yourself.

It's not running anyone down, or done with joy, or perverse, to say "She can do what she wants herself once it doesn't affect others, but when she states being 120 to 140 lbs overweight is something to celebrate, gonna disagree - it's very bad for her health, just like being very underweight would be."

Don't complain about racism if you can happily make a claim like "Whatever perverse joy Irish people get from running others down". Even when it comes to actual cases of perverse joy from running others down, there's nothing exclusively Irish about it - it can be found anywhere."

Junkyard Tom · 07-03-2020 12:14AM

Back in my day fast food was something you had to chase with spears and then social media was drawing stuff on the cave wall.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-03-2020 01:37AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Who's glorifying them?

The fashion industry is putting them under pressure to be thin but I haven't seen anyone say it's a great thing to look anorexic.

This Lizzo one is a walking heart attack and this will result in a shorter lifespan for her and size zero models will also suffer health problems.

Neither look is a healthy one.

Oh, please. Is that a serious question?

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 09:49AM

I read a few interviews with her there on her body positivity.

It doesn’t read like she’s attempting to claim obesity is healthy. She’s just advocating self-love and self-acceptance, which I’m onboard with.

Feisar · 07-03-2020 11:06AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I just Googled to see who this was.

I recommend not doing the same. Jesus fcuking christ.

She’d keep you warm in the winter and in the shade in the summer.

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 01:09PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

She looks fab. She is being active at the beach and getting some exercise and having fun !

Jesus.

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BuboBubo · 07-03-2020 01:28PM

Not into her music, although it's total ear-worm stuff

She'll do well though, like Beth Ditto did. She is different and that attracts attention. No such thing as bad publicity.

She's not ugly or like a round bale ffs! I'm sure there are many lads out there who would love to cuddle up to her on a cold night.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 01:46PM

BuboBubo wrote: »

Not into her music, although it's total ear-worm stuff

She'll do well though, like Beth Ditto did. She is different and that attracts attention. No such thing as bad publicity.

She's not ugly or like a round bale ffs! I'm sure there are many lads out there who would love to cuddle up to her on a cold night.

There’s plenty of lads who’d love it.

The sad part is, they’d probably go and deny it to their mates then.

RobertKK · 07-03-2020 02:18PM

Cosmopolitan has skinny models like this on their cover now and again.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/a22993945/stephanie-yeboah-double-standard-tess-holliday-cosmopolitan-cover-criticism/

whisky_galore · 07-03-2020 02:28PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

She is being active at the beach and getting some exercise

You're reading quite a lot into just one pic.

They can be happy and feel good, sure let them at it, but let's not cod ourselves that being that size is in anyway healthy.

castletownman · 07-03-2020 02:40PM

Lizzo promoting body positivity is similar to the celebs that seem to make being stupid "fashionable". I'm thinking of the likes of Gemma Collins and others (with no discernible talent) who crave being on television.

It's all part of the culture where we have the accept everyone for who we are, which is fine. But the fact that we can't seem to be critical of this scary phenomenon is an issue.

MakingMovies2 · 07-03-2020 02:49PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus.

That's just being an arsehole now. Totally uncalled for.

DenMan · 07-03-2020 02:49PM

If she's happy as an individual with it then more power to her. For the vast majority of women it's not a look to aspire to or to emulate and that's why it was taken down. Body positivity should be encouraged and supported for the individual by the individual but for everyone as a whole it's unhealty, sets a dangerous precedence and she's a heart attack waiting to happen imo.

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 02:55PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

That's just being an arsehole now. Totally uncalled for.

This "body positivity" stuff is a veneer(and marketing tactic) on top of a serious problem with obesity in the west. She looks anything but "fab" or "gorgeous", outside those with a fat fetish, or a skewed perception of what normal and healthy is. A hundred years ago she'd be as likely to be part of a travelling freak show. That's no good either, but the perception of what's fat and what's normal is skewed for too damned many. I've seen this in person over the years with some people's kids. "Ah sure he's a healthy lad" when for anyone but Stevie Wonder it's obvious the child is bloody enormous and the parents are enabling it.

MakingMovies2 · 07-03-2020 02:58PM

Wibbs wrote: »

This "body positivity" stuff is a veneer(and marketing tactic) on top of a serious problem with obesity in the west. She looks anything but "fab" or "gorgeous", outside those with a fat fetish, or a skewed perception of what normal and healthy is. A hundred years ago she'd be as likely to be part of a travelling freak show. That's no good either, but the perception of what's fat and what's normal is skewed for too damned many. I've seen this in person over the years with some people's kids. "Ah sure he's a healthy lad" when for anyone but Stevie Wonder it's obvious the child is bloody enormous and the parents are enabling it.

Well unfortunately not everyone is 6'5 with washboard abs like you. I guess we should exterminate everyone not up to your standards then should we?

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 03:02PM

Wibbs wrote: »

This "body positivity" stuff is a veneer(and marketing tactic) on top of a serious problem with obesity in the west. She looks anything but "fab" or "gorgeous", outside those with a fat fetish, or a skewed perception of what normal and healthy is. A hundred years ago she'd be as likely to be part of a travelling freak show. That's no good either, but the perception of what's fat and what's normal is skewed for too damned many. I've seen this in person over the years with some people's kids. "Ah sure he's a healthy lad" when for anyone but Stevie Wonder it's obvious the child is bloody enormous and the parents are enabling it.

Do you feel as strongly about other health issues? In the pub, do you get this annoyed about a fella going up for his eight pint? Do you lecture your friends who are smokers?

It’s easy to get judgemental about obesity. There are plenty of other health issues, why are you hung up on this one?

Most of this pearl-clutching concern for society is just thinly veiled disgust at a body type you don’t like looking at.

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 03:02PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Well unfortunately not everyone is 6'5 with washboard abs like you. I guess we should exterminate everyone not up to your standards then should we?

Oh yeah, so let's run straight to the hysterical extremes why don't we? Then again that's the usual narrative with this stuff. As was pointed out earlier society can rightfully look down on smokers for being weak willed addicts, but those who choose to eat two or three or more times the food a normal person requires that's somehow a "positive".

5'11", no belly.

07-03-2020 03:03PM

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s easy to get judgemental about obesity. There are plenty of other health issues, why are you hung up on this one?

People don't really go around saying other health issues should be celebrated either though..

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 03:07PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Do you feel as strongly about other health issues? In the pub, do you get this annoyed about a fella going up for his eight pint? Do you lecture your friends who are smokers?

It’s easy to get judgemental about obesity. There are plenty of other health issues, why are you hung up on this one?

I'm not. That's more about a viewer's perception. If someone wants to neck 8 pints a night, or smoke 60 fags a day, then good luck to them, not my problem, but don't tell me it's healthy or any way "positive" like some - again mostly marketing departments - who are wheeling out comically obese women(almost never men you'll note, because the diet fashion market for seasonal crap barely exists for them) as a positive or worse "real women".

Most of this pearl-clutching concern for society is just thinly veiled disgust at a body type you don’t like looking at.

No, I don't like looking at it, but I can choose not to and it's not my business. However when we have a massive issue with obesity in our society(more men than women actually) don't tell me there's anything positive about it. It's a societal problem well up there with smoking and excessive drinking.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 03:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People don't really go around saying other health issues should be celebrated either though..

Really? Sex, drugs and rock’n’roll? The music industry has often celebrated hedonism in many forms.

MakingMovies2 · 07-03-2020 03:13PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh yeah, so let's run straight to the hysterical extremes why don't we? Then again that's the usual narrative with this stuff. As was pointed out earlier society can rightfully look down on smokers for being weak willed addicts, but those who choose to eat two or three or more times the food a normal person requires that's somehow a "positive".

5'11", no belly.

So what should be done rather than celebrate and accept her? Bully her, mock her? Compare her to a bale of hay or a whale like some comedians here have?

Signore Fancy Pants · 07-03-2020 03:16PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So what should be done rather than celebrate and accept her? Bully her, mock her? Compare her to a bale of hay or a whale like some comedians here have?

Educate people that it's not healthy to be that size.

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 03:18PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Really? Sex, drugs and rock’n’roll? The music industry has often celebrated hedonism in many forms.

Sex between consenting adults is healthy. Drugs are dodgy, but we don't see too much of a mainstream push for people to see drugs as a "positive". Rock and roll is music and the vast bulk of the hedonism involved is a fantasy for the working Joe and Josephine. Most of the rock and roll hedonists that aren't in their twenties are as fit as a butcher's dog and almost none are close to obese. put it another way; who is more likely to live and live fit and well into their old age? Someone who emulated Mick Jagger, or someone who emulated Lizzo?

Wibbs · 07-03-2020 03:19PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

So what should be done rather than celebrate and accept her? Bully her, mock her? Compare her to a bale of hay or a whale like some comedians here have?

Don't hold her up as a positive role model for bodyshape and health for a start.

Leg End Reject · 07-03-2020 03:22PM

She's obese, unfortunately there's nothing positive about that.

It doesn't matter if she's comfortable in a bikini, the health problems associated with this are very well documented at this stage.

Lizzo and "body positivity"

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