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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ryansmith171


    Hi lawstudentirl
    I seen you post on a law forum and i am struggling with a past property law exam question if you could help me it would be great!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    Anyone on here attempt Q8 on the criminal paper?

    Scared me too much to even touch it! :) I was woefully under prepared on the later Thefts and frauds acts Looking at it now I'd have said

    a) Handling and Possession of stolen property - Theft and Fraud Act
    b) Forgery and using false instrument - Theft and fraud
    c) Contempt of court
    d) Harassment - NFOAP (Maybe incitement against her too)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 lawstudentirl


    Hi lawstudentirl
    I seen you post on a law forum and i am struggling with a past property law exam question if you could help me it would be great!

    Yeah no worries, I’ll do my best. I sat property last time so it’s not exactly fresh in my mind. What’s the question?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    bobbyness wrote: »
    Scared me too much to even touch it! :) I was woefully under prepared on the later Thefts and frauds acts Looking at it now I'd have said

    a) Handling and Possession of stolen property - Theft and Fraud Act
    b) Forgery and using false instrument - Theft and fraud
    c) Contempt of court
    d) Harassment - NFOAP (Maybe incitement against her too)

    I didn’t even think of handling and possession of stolen propert!!!!!! Disaster!!! I put down guilty as an accessory to theft!!! Really annoyed with that!

    Had that for part (b) along with False accounting

    Had contempt in the face of the court too along with scandalising the court

    Put down harassment and assault for (d) along with a public order offence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    I said novus actus interveniens, with Elaine as the victim possibly breaking the chain of causation for the criminal act [attempted suicide]. But it was a toss up between that and unlawful and dangerous manslaughter, I just didn't think any of the cases were of the same applicability there.

    Could it be an example of transfered mens rea too?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    I didn’t even think of handling and possession of stolen propert!!!!!! Disaster!!! I put down guilty as an accessory to theft!!! Really annoyed with that!

    Had that for part (b) along with False accounting

    Had contempt in the face of the court too along with scandalising the court

    Put down harassment and assault for (d) along with a public order offence

    Much easier afterwards with statutes in hand :)

    Accessory to theft is definitely a consideration for the a) Evidence claims to have not been part of it - Would still have to prove no part in it.

    and assault is a good one to include in d) - R v Ireland - Silent phone calls can amount to an assault, with psychiatric injury being the harm.

    You've got a well rounded answer there in my opinion! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    I didn’t even think of handling and possession of stolen propert!!!!!! Disaster!!! I put down guilty as an accessory to theft!!! Really annoyed with that!

    Had that for part (b) along with False accounting

    Had contempt in the face of the court too along with scandalising the court

    Put down harassment and assault for (d) along with a public order offence

    Re d) Only reason I'm thinking incitement potentially is - Applin v Race Relations Board - Where they distributed flyers and letters/emails trying to stop a family adopting a black child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    Could it be an example of transfered mens rea too?

    I was thinking that too but it would be quite technical because the aim would have to be the same i.e. murdering himself and murdering her. But I think the law considers suicide and murder distinct so it wouldn't amount to transferred mens rea. You can always argue that it isn't though... but if it wasn't you wouldn't really be advising him of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭CMUL


    eLawGirl wrote: »
    Very well, lovely invigilators, only issue was the hall was freezing

    Really, crap I hate being cold was it unbearable? I was thinking there would be very little heat in a big hall like that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    Okay, I'm only getting a chance to look at Constitutional now. What topics should I prioritise? Aiming for quality over quantity here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Molly347


    the clock in neptune is very hard to see from the back as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    bobbyness wrote: »
    Re d) Only reason I'm thinking incitement potentially is - Applin v Race Relations Board - Where they distributed flyers and letters/emails trying to stop a family adopting a black child.

    The distribution of insulting flyers I put down as S7 Public Order Act 1994


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    The distribution of insulting flyers I put down as S7 Public Order Act 1994

    Definitely. We only need 50% to pass anyway so here's hoping! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Okay, I'm only getting a chance to look at Constitutional now. What topics should I prioritise? Aiming for quality over quantity here.

    Oireachtas - Internal rules, Locus Standi, Family, Fair Procedures, Liberty, President/AG, Interpretation

    These seem to be the ones most are predicting/banking on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭EmmaO94


    Could it be an example of transfered mens rea too?

    I went down the transferred malice route myself... in the moment it was the only thing that jumped out at me! If I'm way off, at least that part was only half the question - felt I had a v solid answer for bail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭OMGWACA


    Hi all,

    Looking for a sample answer for Company October 2017, Qs 3;

    "The introduction of the Summary Approval Procedure contained in Chapter 7 of Part 4 of the CA2014 has resulted in a unified approach provided that certain safeguards are met. The key safeguards are that the members of the company must resolve in favour of the compnay engaging in the activity and that the directors must make a declaration of solvency.

    You are required to discuss this statement having particular regard to the rationale of the two safeguards referred to in the statement. In your answer you must cite all relevant case and statute law."

    I'd really appreciate any steer on this! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    EmmaO94 wrote: »
    I went down the transferred malice route myself... in the moment it was the only thing that jumped out at me! If I'm way off, at least that part was only half the question - felt I had a v solid answer for bail

    Yeah, I was annoyed with myself because I wasn't entirely sure which topic of law part (a) was and my presumption of innocence answer was perfect. Was also annoyed by the Special Criminal Court coming up with the Circuit Court -- I had learned off his exam report on the SCC only. An exam of what could have beens.
    Oireachtas - Internal rules, Locus Standi, Family, Fair Procedures, Liberty, President/AG, Interpretation

    These seem to be the ones most are predicting/banking on

    Brilliant, thanks iamanengine! Is that what you are banking on yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    Yeah, I was annoyed with myself because I wasn't entirely sure which topic of law part (a) was and my presumption of innocence answer was perfect. Was also annoyed by the Special Criminal Court coming up with the Circuit Court -- I had learned off his exam report on the SCC only. An exam of what could have beens.



    Brilliant, thanks iamanengine! Is that what you are banking on yourself?

    I was in the same boat.... I had the SCC down to a tee but nothing for the first part!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Brilliant, thanks iamanengine! Is that what you are banking on yourself?

    No worries! Yeah pretty much, they are the ones I hope to know well.

    Other ones I am covering but maybe won't know as well are property/livelihood, equality, referendums, freedom of expression, international relations, non-delegation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    No worries! Yeah pretty much, they are the ones I hope to know well.

    Other ones I am covering but maybe won't know as well are property/livelihood, equality, referendums, freedom of expression, international relations, non-delegation

    Alright, I'm going to try my best to follow your lead before I inevitably fall asleep (was up very late last night cramming for criminal) so thanks again!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭bobbyness


    What are people banking on coming up for contract law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    bobbyness wrote: »
    What are people banking on coming up for contract law?

    I was hoping someone was going to ask that!!!! It’s my next one too so hoping to get a good bit covered!

    I think mistake is due a run. Consumer protection is a definite, maybe 2 questions. Exclusion clauses, penalty clauses, misrep....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Alright, I'm going to try my best to follow your lead before I inevitably fall asleep (was up very late last night cramming for criminal) so thanks again!

    Best of luck, hope for our sake I'm right!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ahona


    I put down aggravated burglary if it can be proved he entered with the knife on him!


    I didnt write Burglary or Agg Burglary

    this was supposed to be my good answer


    BRB while I go and cry in one corner

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭CiaranS93


    Oireachtas - Internal rules, Locus Standi, Family, Fair Procedures, Liberty, President/AG, Interpretation

    These seem to be the ones most are predicting/banking on

    Nearly guaranteed at least one Q on SOP as comes up in some form 95% of the time. Although if time is tight maybe don't bother as it is pretty big


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    ahona wrote: »
    I didnt write Burglary or Agg Burglary

    this was supposed to be my good answer


    BRB while I go and cry in one corner

    https://media2.giphy.com/media/j0qSbeNFuzjhXKFVSP/giphy.gif?cid=790b76116e639fde0b2aea8fcf2e4d3426e0c8afd51d265d&rid=giphy.gif

    That’s only a small part of the question so I wouldn’t worry about it! There was a lot going on in it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 eLawGirl


    CMUL wrote: »
    Really, crap I hate being cold was it unbearable? I was thinking there would be very little heat in a big hall like that

    I kept my scarf and coat on so definitely wear something warm and comfortable if you feel the cold!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭mydogwentroof


    EQUITY

    Anybody banking on certain topics? Can be for literally no reason, I'm all ears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    EQUITY

    Anybody banking on certain topics? Can be for literally no reason, I'm all ears.

    Injunctions Definite, mareva in particular due a run
    Charitable trusts and cy pres in some form definitely
    Trustees duties in some form definitely
    3 certainties due a run, not on last 2/3 sittings
    DMC possibly as not on last sitting
    Undue influence as not on last sitting
    Misrep and specific performance as not on last sitting

    Just going by grid and last few sitting


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭user115


    Constitutional

    There was a question I read in past exams few days ago where it mentioned that this would be plaintiff was earning very little and a particular law required he have a certain amount of money for costs, what does that relate to? I imagine it's access to justice but I haven't covered it, what part of constit is it and what would I say briefly on it?


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