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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #9122
    macwal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Yes, but can we not just trust people to self isolate? The message should be ‘doesn’t matter how you arrive but if you come from specified places, please self isolate’ Neighbours, family and work colleagues would usually have a good idea where people have been. Hence the parents wanting to take kids out of schools where they know other students have just arrived back from Italy etc


    I'm just waiting for the reports of eejits misunderstanding and self-immolating...


  • #9123
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    wheresthebeef wrote: »
    Chlorine will only kill Coronavirus at a strength of 1000ppm which is much higher than a swimming pool. You couldn't swim in 1000ppm.

    How dare you I could swim in 2000ppm


  • #9124
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    wheresthebeef wrote: »
    Chlorine will only kill Coronavirus at a strength of 1000ppm which is much higher than a swimming pool. You couldn't swim in 1000ppm.

    Have you a source for that?


  • #9125
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    digitaldr wrote: »
    Masks work best when worn by the case or health care workers that are working with cases/suspected cases (FFP3 with fit testing) . Otherwise they can actually increase the risk by concentrating virus particles on their outer surface especially if worn for long periods. It is surprisingly difficult to avoid touching your face/mask as it is often a subconscious action. Improper mask removal and disposal can also be risky.

    Gloves and goggles have function also? Or have I missed the latest fashion trend to come out of Italy? Damn you giorgio Armani and your ever evolving taste :cool:


  • #9126
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    LaFuton wrote: »
    no dude ur right, this is it, this is the shít we've been occidentally prepped for via subversive movies, realistically we cant depend on our so called government, everyone secretly knows this, sure the country runs just fine without it, as proven.
    tribalism has continued to exist because of survival hereditary value, the only reason anything survives time.

    why not prepare for the worse? what someone might laugh?

    When I read this it's like as though I'm reading in slow motion


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  • #9127
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Bozo Skeleton wrote: »
    The harsh reality is we're in this for the long haul. There will be no vaccine for 12 to 18 months, at best. In the meantime be very aware that infected surfaces that you touch will infect you if you touch your mouth or nostrils.
    Yes, I know you all know this, but the amount of people I see ignoring this advice on a daily basis is shocking. Fúck it sure we'll be grand does not work with this virus. We have no internal defence against it.

    Perhaps a silver lining is that stupid people will be culled.


  • #9128
    wheresthebeef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭wheresthebeef


    gabeeg wrote: »
    How dare you I could swim in 2000ppm

    Sorry, I meant to say nobody could swim in 1000ppm except gabeeg as he is a chlorine machine.


  • #9129
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    https://clarechampion.ie/reports-confirmed-cases-of-coronavirus-in-clare/


  • #9130
    Bozo Skeleton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Bozo Skeleton


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's more likely to be habit... rather than ignoring the risk. The fact is that most people, even if they do it right most of the time, they (we) will make mistakes because of prior habits from a time when such a virus wasn't around.... ie. not that long ago.

    Yes, that's true. It does require a change of habits. I'm trying to change mine. Point taken and agreed. I'm probably being harsh. I work in a bar, so I know it will require nearly a change of culture, eg handshakes, hugs. This thing is so contagious in our normal level of interaction, and that makes me a little sad tbh.


  • #9131
    Cartel Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Cartel Mike


    Insurance companies who won't refund people going to areas of risk might get away with it beacuse they think that very few will take the time to take them on and make a case

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi-7-f2hILoAhXGYcAKHUi2AmoQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fconsumer_affairs%2Ftravel%2Fpackage_holidays.html&usg=AOvVaw3TZZT5sq8hxdn3wnU6NnYe

    Take the time and wait it out there's no way they have a policy that covers coronavirus outbreak. They will only make it 'sound' like they do.


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  • #9132
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235356907436683267


  • #9133
    digitaldr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    wheresthebeef wrote: »
    Are they only testing people with a travel history? Or have they broadened the scope to test people with symptoms only?

    People that meet the suspected case definition.


  • #9134
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Have you a source for that?

    I read this on IPC Guidelines published by the UK under the premise of environmental decontamination of an isolation unit for patients infected with COVID19. Which doesn't translate into the required pool strength at all but you know... the internet


  • #9135
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Anyone who has the ability to work from home should be compelled to do so.

    Id also argue the government should advise companies to encourage this also.


  • #9136
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235358098505728003


  • #9137
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Anyone who has the ability to work from home should be compelled to do so.

    Id also argue the government should advise companies to encourage this also.

    Good idea!


  • #9138
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Surgical masks partially contain what you exhale. They prevent you spreading disease so much.
    Ffp3 disposable respirators filter what you inhale. They can partly filter out the virus if they fit properly.
    Most ffp3 respirators have valves which mean they don’t filter what you exhale. So they are not effective at reducing how much the wearer spreads infection.


  • #9139
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    It only became big news in 1985 because of Rock Hudson.

    As far as I recall Hudson was the first high profile celebrity to die as a result of AIDS but I clearly remember the disease being major news long before then.


  • #9140
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    digitaldr wrote: »
    Masks work best when worn by the case or health care workers that are working with cases/suspected cases (FFP3 with fit testing) . Otherwise they can actually increase the risk by concentrating virus particles on their outer surface especially if worn for long periods. It is surprisingly difficult to avoid touching your face/mask as it is often a subconscious action. Improper mask removal and disposal can also be risky.

    So is not washing your hands correctly - but oddly dont see that been continuously rabitted on about

    Using a N95 style face mask properly and learning how to use it and to take it off - isn't rocket science. Same as learning how to properly wash your hands...


  • #9141
    digitaldr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Gloves and goggles have function also? Or have I missed the latest fashion trend to come out of Italy? Damn you giorgio Armani and your ever evolving taste :cool:

    Gloves, goggles/face shield, plastic gown and mask (correction FFP2 or better) are what's needed for PPE. Putting it all on is easy - taking it off while avoiding contaminating yourself is the tricky part. If you make a mistake important to use lots of alcohol based hand sanitizer.


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  • #9142
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Andre Spoiled Lacrosse wrote: »
    Surgical masks partially contain what you exhale. They prevent you spreading disease so much.
    Ffp3 disposable respirators filter what you inhale. They can partly filter out the virus if they fit properly.
    Most ffp3 respirators have valves which mean they don’t filter what you exhale. So they are not effective at reducing how much the wearer spreads infection.

    I like the sound of that last one. So you are protected and **** everyone else. They can breath my exhaust and die for all I care. Sounds like a pre dieselgate VW sentiment.


  • #9143
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Just a question on self-isolation.

    Suppose someone in your office tests positive for the virus and everyone is sent home and told to self-isolate.
    Should all the colleagues separate themselves from their own family - husband/wife and kids - as in stay in one room ideally en-suite for the 14 days?
    What about the family members of all the colleagues ? Can they go to work/school ?

    Very confused by this.


  • #9144
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Just a question on self-isolation.

    Suppose someone in your office tests positive for the virus and everyone is sent home and told to self-isolate.
    Should the colleagues separate themselves from their own family - husband/wife and kids - as in stay in one room ideally en-suite for the 14 days?
    What about the family members ? Can they go to work/school ?

    Very confused by this.

    Good question. I'd say so but WTF do I know. I'd say ask the HSE but considering large portion of population don't have an en suite they'd probably have to go with "en-suites have been scientifically shown not to prevent spread of corona"


  • #9145
    wheresthebeef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭wheresthebeef


    digitaldr wrote: »
    People that meet the suspected case definition.

    Yeah so no change there then. How do they expect to detect community transmission if they wont test symptomatic people in the community. I cant help but feel this is an attempt to keep confirmed case numbers low to buy them more time to ready the Health Service etc...


  • #9146
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,850 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    jarvis wrote: »
    Go to a different GP!!! Tell him you’re just home from Italy!!!!

    The only problem there is the positives confirmed is still in the single digits, DOARCH would be found out when the authorities start to do the contact tracing, they'll discover they are not on any flight manifest.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #9147
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Never could get the hang of PPE ...

    504651.jpg


  • #9148
    digitaldr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    gozunda wrote: »

    Using a N95 style face mask properly and learning how to use it and to take it off - isn't rocket science. Same as learning how to properly wash your hands...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirator_fit_test


  • #9149
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    As far as I recall Hudson was the first high profile celebrity to die as a result of AIDS but I clearly remember the disease being major news long before then.

    I think Matthew McConaughey got it around the same tome. He's alive though.


  • #9150
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    wheresthebeef wrote: »
    Yeah so no change there then. How do they expect to detect community transmission if they wont test symptomatic people in the community. I cant help but feel this is an attempt to keep confirmed case numbers low to buy them more time to ready the Health Service etc...

    Thinking about it. If we don't test for community transmission then it doesn't exist. This is straight up plagiarism from Chinese play-book. Then when it explodes we can say "how were we to know"


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  • #9151
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Exactly. If I was in my 70s with e.g. diabetes, I'd be very worried. I can see a lot of elderly people isolating themselves from now on.

    This is possibly something that's going to be with us for a long time. Is it better to live longer by isolating yourself from all human contact, or take a bit of a risk and live your life < this is the tough question that we may eventually have to ask. Of course you might argue that when you're in your 70s self-isolation isn't that big a deal for some?


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