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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #7592
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    pc7 wrote: »
    I'm sure Italian people who's country is suffering a massive outbreak won't be too keen to travel either.

    Doesn't seem to have been hampering the fackers so far. They must have infected half the world at this stage


  • #7593
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    It's funny how a country can effectively shut down for up to a week due to snow and governments not wanting to spend money on anti snow measures yet cancel a match or a gig for the health of older and vunerable people and it's "how dare you!". Beggars belief.


  • #7594
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Candamir wrote: »
    The WHO are of the opinion that asymptomatic spread is not a major factor, and the R number is not in the ‘10’s’ as you suggest.
    Where are you getting this information?

    The R0 has not been established yet but there are several known examples of one person transmitting the virus to more than a dozen people


  • #7595
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Should explain that the 19 tests today wouldn't have results yet but every test we've done has been negative.

    When are the results of the 19 tests done today due?


  • #7596
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    ZiabR wrote: »
    My advice, AVOID St. Patricks day like the plague. If it goes ahead it will have massive repercussions for Ireland.

    Like the snakes coming back??


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  • #7597
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    ZiabR wrote: »
    Seems my friends in the NHS were telling the truth. 85 cases have just been confirmed in the UK on BBC news. The UK are in trouble and Ireland will follow suit.

    I think the increase in the uk wont be a surprise to anyone involved in planning the response to this crisis. We’ll likely see a similar but smaller jump in numbers here too in the next few days.


  • #7598
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Blud wrote: »
    Who said that? Links and quotes?

    They have literally said the opposite to that, everywhere.

    Some on here would want to give their head a wobble.
    See my response to GooglePlus here:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112722616&postcount=7656


    Some on here would want to give their head a wobble indeed.


  • #7599
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Can't find the link to the video, but from the RTE site https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0303/1119908-coronavirus-tracker/
    "Dr Tony Holohan says it will be mostly paramedic staff who will be carrying out community testing.He said there has been some consideration of testing asymptomatic people and that will be looked at again next week.
    Dr Holohan says he does not have any reason to think there are cases out there of which they are not aware.
    He said the chances of anyone out there in the community being infected remains extremely low.
    When questioned how the first person identified to have Covid-19 is doing, the Department representatives said they were not commenting on individual cases."

    He was speaking in the present tense.

    He did not say he didn't think there would be any more cases, which was your original claim.


  • #7600
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ZiabR wrote: »
    Following on from my post "quoted" I have been told that the number in the UK is now up to 85 cases and this will be announced in the next hour or so. If it turns out to be true, that is a significant increase for the UK.

    It was announced at 2PM and was to be expected realistically. Nothing shocking really. I was expecting something truly shocking by your original post.


  • #7601
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Countries would need to impose martial law and remove civil liberties to be anywhere near as effective as China!

    I think that's a total over reaction. If you get clear communication on what's needed and proper coordination, people are willing to be extremely cooperative on these things.

    The Chinese response was very extreme and because of the authoritarian nature of the state, it has an extremely low level of trust and people are either frighted of it, or have strategies to get around it - they smuggle, bend rules, hide information and so on.

    It causes conspiracy theories (many of which aren't unreasonable) and I wouldn't even be entirely sure of official Chinese facts and figures and you will find a lot of people in China aren't either.

    If Ireland or any European country has an issue with this, it needs to be led as a community effort to combat the virus spread, not some draconian crack down.

    An open, honest, non-coercive approach is far better and it's the only thing that will work in a country like Ireland.

    It's going to be a case of donning the green jersey and getting on with trying to deal with this in a cooperative, community kind of way here. There's no other way of doing it and when done right, it works.

    Even culturally, you're talking about Ireland, which is one of the least deferential countries in the world, along with Australia and NZ. The relationship with power here is about voluntary cooperation and information sharing. If you came down with draconian measures and arbitrary rules, it would just result in a total mess.

    That's also why the HSE and DoH needs to be absolutely 100% open and clear in communication. Paternalistic type approaches will backfire.
    Everyone needs to be on the same page on this kind of thing. It's not about top-down command chains.


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  • #7602
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Allinall wrote: »
    He was speaking in the present tense.

    He did not say he didn't think there would be any more cases, which was your original claim.
    Ficheall wrote: »
    So you'd trust their mouthpiece stating yesterday that it is unlikely there are any further cases in the country?
    If you're going to argue semantics, please try to do a better job. I was referring to the present tense every bit as much as he was. Note I used "are" and not "would be".

    Edit: You may substitute "were" into my original post, if you wish to counter with the difference between the time he said what he said and the time I quoted him.


  • #7603
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    In not panicking or anything, but why do our hse think this wont or cant spread between Irish people? They seem to think only people coming back from Italy will be affected.


  • #7604
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    US2 wrote: »
    In not panicking or anything, but why do our hse think this wont or cant spread between Irish people? They seem to think only people coming back from Italy will be affected.

    The priority appears to be avoiding panic rather than informing the public


  • #7605
    Candamir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The R0 has not been established yet but there are several known examples of one person transmitting the virus to more than a dozen people

    The post suggests that COVID 19 is much more infectious than measles, when no health body or researcher working on it has suggested it will be (or has been) much more than 3. I’d just like to know where the information is coming from.


  • #7606
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Countries would need to impose martial law and remove civil liberties to be anywhere near as effective as China!

    Or government can make sensible decisions regarding mass gatherings / travel restrictions / work from home before it is too late. In case you haven't noticed there are several areas in Italy under de facto martial law. People aren't forced to stay inside, they are invited. If they do venture out a nice soldier wearing a mask and wielding an assault rifle will kindly tell them to go back inside and make some pasta.

    https://www.occhionotizie.it/coronavirus-esercito-zona-rossa-lodi/

    https://twitter.com/Max_Pacca73/status/1231928883051737088?s=20

    xYzU5yX

    Point is it has happened in Europe and will happen here if it gets bad enough.


  • #7607
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DCU are being proactive in their attitude to this virus:

    https://www.dcu.ie/safety/Coronavirus-COVID-19.shtml


  • #7608
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ZiabR wrote: »
    Seems my friends in the NHS were telling the truth. 85 cases have just been confirmed in the UK on BBC news. The UK are in trouble and Ireland will follow suit.
    It was only forecast to double every week (7 days), seems to be rising quicker than expected.


  • #7609
    ZiabR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    US2 wrote: »
    In not panicking or anything, but why do our hse think this wont or cant spread between Irish people? They seem to think only people coming back from Italy will be affected.

    The HSE are completely unprepared for this. We have no capacity in hospitals to manage it. The HSE don't want to tell the truth or give the Irish people the facts because it will cause a panic. The problem is, painting over the cracks will result in people with the virus going about their daily lives spreading it as they go until the who situation blows up. When that happens the HSE will implode.


  • #7610
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    What is surprising me is the lack of information breaking about the woman from last night. There does not seem to be anything on social media about the contact tracing etc. No indication of location etc. (I did see a whatsapp message about it being DCU but took that with a bucket of salt as it was the only one I seen) ,this was posted before I seen the link above from DCU ;)


  • #7611
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Right, so I bought two boxes of surgical masks (50 masks in each box) on Monday 24 February before they sold out everywhere in a fit of panic. I don't think I'm actually going to use them - they're not the N95 kind, they're just your common or garden surgical masks.

    What will I do with them? I'm not going to sell them online, cos, y'know, Karma an' all. Will I just wait until it all kicks off here, and the hospitals run out of protective gear, and then drop them into St Vincents? I think if I dropped them in now they'd probably look at me a bit weirdly.

    Or will the hospitals be grand and I should start flogging them at €2 a pop? (I'm not being serious, but that's actually what some gougers are charging for them on Adverts).


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  • #7612
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    ZiabR wrote: »
    The HSE are completely unprepared for this. We have no capacity in hospitals to manage it. The HSE don't want to tell the truth or give the Irish people the facts because it will cause a panic. The problem is, painting over the cracks will result in people with the virus going about their daily lives spreading it as they go until the who situation blows up. When that happens the HSE will implode.

    What is this truth that the HSE don’t want us to know and how do you know all this?


  • #7613
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Tippex wrote: »
    What is surprising me is the lack of information breaking about the woman from last night. There does not seem to be anything on social media about the contact tracing etc. No indication of location etc. (I did see a whatsapp message about it being DCU but took that with a bucket of salt as it was the only one I seen)
    I think they only gave any further information on the first case because it would have been hard to sweep closing a school under the rug.


  • #7614
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    JDD wrote: »
    Right, so I bought two boxes of surgical masks (50 masks in each box) on Monday 24 February before they sold out everywhere in a fit of panic. I don't think I'm actually going to use them - they're not the N95 kind, they're just your common or garden surgical masks.

    What will I do with them? I'm not going to sell them online, cos, y'know, Karma an' all. Will I just wait until it all kicks off here, and the hospitals run out of protective gear, and then drop them into St Vincents? I think if I dropped them in now they'd probably look at me a bit weirdly.

    Or will the hospitals be grand and I should start flogging them at €2 a pop? (I'm not being serious, but that's actually what some gougers are charging for them on Adverts).

    Hospitals in France have been reported masks being stolen from them can you believe that


  • #7615
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    US2 wrote: »
    In not panicking or anything, but why do our hse think this wont or cant spread between Irish people? They seem to think only people coming back from Italy will be affected.
    Mainly because the risk of an asymptomatic carrier spreading the disease is considered to be very low.

    Thus, in order for someone to pick up the virus, they need to be in close proximity to someone else who is symptomatic.

    Which means that right now the chances of catching it on the bus into work in the morning, are several thousand times less likely then catching it in Northern Italy when someone sneezes beside you.

    So if you're not feeling well and you haven't been near Italy, the odds are you've just got a cold. We have a limited testing capacity that we can't afford to clog up testing every sniffle and sneeze.

    Within a week or so, the guidance will probably change. I would eat my hat if there aren't people wandering around with "a bit of a cold", spreading the virus. But these are slow burners initially, all countries have started out with 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 12 cases before jumping to 100 in the space of 48 hours.


  • #7616
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    ZiabR wrote: »
    The HSE are completely unprepared for this. We have no capacity in hospitals to manage it. The HSE don't want to tell the truth or give the Irish people the facts because it will cause a panic. The problem is, painting over the cracks will result in people with the virus going about their daily lives spreading it as they go until the who situation blows up. When that happens the HSE will implode.

    There is a capacity problem. We all know that! It's nothing new.
    There's no conspiracy theory to be built around that. It's just fact.

    All we can do is work with what we have and do the best we can to contain it and deal with scenarios that crop up.

    I think sowing seeds of some grand coverup is frankly nonsense. If cases emerge, they'll emerge and you'll hear about them.

    All they can do is attempt to contain it, but as someone was pointing out yesterday it's like trying to catch water with a sieve. There's only so much you can actually do without putting the entire country into individual bubbles. It's not ideal, but that's the reality of dealing with viral infections.


  • #7617
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Candamir wrote: »
    The post suggests that COVID 19 is much more infectious than measles, when no health body or researcher working on it has suggested it will be (or has been) much more than 3. I’d just like to know where the information is coming from.

    From the W.H.O. last night:
    COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza
    Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days

    So basically if you do get infected you are likely to present with symptoms very quickly - which is "good" as folks are most contagious when they have symptoms and the more public awareness is raised, the more likely folks will self isolate, which in turn will cause the R0 number to reduce.


  • #7618
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    https://twitter.com/TSAlgerie/status/1235219142040580099


    Coronavirus: 4 new cases registered, 12 in total in Algeria


  • #7619
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    US2 wrote: »
    In not panicking or anything, but why do our hse think this wont or cant spread between Irish people? They seem to think only people coming back from Italy will be affected.

    We are far more standoffish.


  • #7620
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I think they only gave any further information on the first case because it would have been hard to sweep closing a school under the rug.

    Yep but what I mean is that people who received the letter from the HSE had posted it up online within minutes of receiving it. None of this has happened which is what is interesting me.

    It wasn't actually the HSE that broke the news with regards to the name of school etc but it naturally leaked very quickly, It isn't the case this time


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  • #7621
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    The World Championships for Irish dancing are being held in Dublin in just over three weeks. 3 thousand kids and over 10 thousand spectators from all over the world will be in attendance, predominately from the UK, USA, Canada, Australia and mainland Europe, not to mention those from the four corners of Ireland. Zero plans to cancel it thus far unless the government steps in and insists.
    It will be a melting pot for the infection spreading, and an absolute nightmare in terms of containment. If even a small amount of the kids/spectators become ill, it could seriously overwhelm the health system.
    It will be absolute madness if it goes ahead, and I can't see them cancelling.


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