Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Ficheall · 04-03-2020 03:47PM

UsBus wrote: »

I listened to Simon Harris at lunchtime on RTE and I thought he came across extremely balanced speaking about the direction the government were taking and the advice he was taking from medical experts.

So you'd trust their mouthpiece stating yesterday that it is unlikely there are any further cases in the country?

cherryghost · 04-03-2020 03:47PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

What is with Iran and pandemics. During the flu pandemic 1918/19, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.

The WHO estimates 2-3% of the global population died from it.

Poor infrastructure and crappy governing body

Cilldara_2000 · 04-03-2020 03:47PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

What is with Iran and pandemics. During the flu pandemic 1918/19, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.

The WHO estimates 2-3% of the global population died from it.

Would licking walls and statues have anything to with it?

Funsterdelux · 04-03-2020 03:48PM

twinytwo wrote: »

The minister for agriculture at the time did his job and shut the place down, no it's or buts. They went full hog ...vets working for the department had their leave cancelled etc.

Nice pun

wakka12 · 04-03-2020 03:49PM

Death at a nursing home in Syndey- 95 year old woman. Fairly good age..probably would have been popping off any day now tbf
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20200304_03.aspx

positivenote · 04-03-2020 03:49PM

honest query here guys:
Will this virus become just something else that will become normalized as part of our eveyday lives in the future in the same way that influenza is at the moment. People catch and die from (depending on pre-existing conditions) it all the time. Or is it likely to 'die off' itself due to containment?

Time-wise when are we expecting the newsworthiness of it to dampen down and people just become more cautious and hygienic as part of their day to day lives?

ThePopehimself · 04-03-2020 03:50PM

dan786 wrote: »

A draft decree seen by Reuters says Italy's government is planning to ban public events, close cinemas and theatres across country due to the coronavirus outbreak

ROME: Italy’s government is set to close cinemas and theaters and ban public events across the whole country to try to contain the coronavirus outbreak,
according to a draft decree drawn up on Wednesday.

Italy to ban public events, handshakes and hugs to contain coronavirus

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1636816/world

The decree seen by Reuters orders “the suspension of events of any nature... that entail the concentration of people and do not allow for a safety distance of at least one meter (yard) to be respected.”
The draft decree also tells Italians to avoid hugging and shaking hands to prevent as much as possible a further spread of the potentially deadly illness…”

sjb25 · 04-03-2020 03:51PM

First business hit soon to be fair they have been in trouble before now

Coronavirus: Flybe could collapse in days amid outbreak-related slump in bookings

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/regional-airline-flybe-in-last-ditch-talks-to-avert-collapse-11949393

GooglePlus · 04-03-2020 03:51PM

Ficheall wrote: »

So you'd trust their mouthpiece stating yesterday that it is unlikely there are any further cases in the country?

No, they said there is likely to be more cases and always have since our first.

ZiabR · 04-03-2020 03:52PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Switzerland had its first a week ago and has almost 100 today. Norway also recorded it's first case 7 days ago and now has 48 cases. The thinking that cases in Ireland will not grow by any more than another odd one or two seems startlingly naive

I have been saying this for days now. People just don't seem to want to understand how this virus spreads and how it is NOTHING like Influenza or SARS 1. SAR 1 was much easier to contain because patients were not contagious when they were Pre-Symptomatic.

Please educate yourselves on Pre-Symptomatic spread and Incubation for Covid 19. This is why this virus likely cannot be contained and why more and more cases are being reported in the EU each day. This is also the reason why Ireland has many more cases that are yet to be confirmed.

With Covid 19, you can be contagious from as little as 5 hours after contracting the virus, yet you might not show ANY symptoms for days and even weeks. By the time you have symptoms you have already infected 10s of people.

04-03-2020 03:52PM

gabeeg wrote: »

how long does it take from test to result?

Should explain that the 19 tests today wouldn't have results yet but every test we've done has been negative.

GooglePlus · 04-03-2020 03:52PM

sjb25 wrote: »

First business hit soon to be fair they have been in trouble before now

Coronavirus: Flybe could collapse in days amid outbreak-related slump in bookings

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/regional-airline-flybe-in-last-ditch-talks-to-avert-collapse-11949393

Weren't they just bailed out by the UK gov?

Terrible luck if so.

seamus · 04-03-2020 03:53PM

MadYaker wrote: »

But this makes no sense. If they are banning paddy’s day gatherings they have to ban all public gatherings or else there’s no point. Close all schools, universities, factories, shopping centres, sporting events, weddings etc etc. What’s the difference between 4000 people at a paddy’s day parade and 4000 people in a factory or on a university campus or in Dublin City centre on a Friday morning? We can’t shut the whole country down ffs.

The Paddy's parade in Dublin typically attracts around 500,000 people into the city for the day.

You don't have to shut down al public gatherings, but you need to be sensible. If the virus is in the country, then you can be pretty sure that at least one of those 500,000 people are going to have the virus. Through the course of the day, moving across the city through cramped queues and into busy pubs, they manage to give it to 10 or 20 more, who disperse throughout the country.

A gig of 4,000 people by comparison, you're less likely to have someone with the virus there, and their ability to spread it is limited by the length of the gig and the fact that most people stay in roughly the same place throughout.

SafeSurfer · 04-03-2020 03:53PM

MadYaker wrote: »

If there’s an increase in cases after paddy’s day it’ll be a coincidence. Most large gatherings aren’t essential. What events / gatherings would you ban and which ones would you allow and on what basis? I’m struggling to follow the line of reasoning in your posts. Politicians getting sick won’t affect the government’s strategy.

You are saying that if there is an increase in infections after the largest annual gatherings in the country it will be a coincidence and you struggle to follow my line of reasoning????

Naggdefy · 04-03-2020 03:54PM

cherryghost wrote: »

Poor infrastructure and crappy governing body

The British were in charge in 1918/19:D

odyssey06 · 04-03-2020 03:54PM

positivenote wrote: »

honest query here guys:
Will this virus become just something else that will become normalized as part of our eveyday lives in the future in the same way that influenza is at the moment. People catch and die from (depending on pre-existing conditions) it all the time. Or is it likely to 'die off' itself due to containment?

Time-wise when are we expecting the newsworthiness of it to dampen down and people just become more cautious and hygienic as part of their day to day lives?

The UK said that if widespread transmission starts peak numbers would be in 3 months.

Your questions are all good but we really don't know... we expect a vaccine but not in time for this outbreak season. And then, we don't know if one vaccine will be a magic bullet for it or if like flu the vaccine contains a bunch of strains and sometimes we miss a strain.
Also, we don't know how much resistance would stay in your system year on year.

ZiabR · 04-03-2020 03:54PM

My advice, AVOID St. Patricks day like the plague. If it goes ahead it will have massive repercussions for Ireland.

touts · 04-03-2020 03:55PM

sjb25 wrote: »

First business hit soon to be fair they have been in trouble before now

Coronavirus: Flybe could collapse in days amid outbreak-related slump in bookings

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/regional-airline-flybe-in-last-ditch-talks-to-avert-collapse-11949393

FlyBe senior management are just looking for an excuse that doesn't make them look incompetent.
Why did the last company I ran go bust??? Ammm because..... Coronavirus. Yes Coronavirus.

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 03:56PM

positivenote wrote: »

honest query here guys:
Will this virus become just something else that will become normalized as part of our eveyday lives in the future in the same way that influenza is at the moment. People catch and die from (depending on pre-existing conditions) it all the time. Or is it likely to 'die off' itself due to containment?

Time-wise when are we expecting the newsworthiness of it to dampen down and people just become more cautious and hygienic as part of their day to day lives?

Currently world health organisation WHO thinks that it can be contained and ultimately eradicated based on what's happening in China. They are advocating containment.

Interestingly European CDC thinks it can't be contained. ECDC is advocating mitigation.

Hence the lack of travel restrictions in Europe in contrast to China.

also explains dodgy HSE statements / retractions

WHO bigwig by the name of Ryan said history will tell who was right. (scarily)

Blud · 04-03-2020 03:56PM

Ficheall wrote: »

So you'd trust their mouthpiece stating yesterday that it is unlikely there are any further cases in the country?

Who said that? Links and quotes?

They have literally said the opposite to that, everywhere.

Some on here would want to give their head a wobble.

Tippex · 04-03-2020 03:57PM

newbie18892 wrote: »

Quite startling to see 38 cases now today in the Netherlands. They reported their first case 6 days ago. Seems to be moving at a much quicker pace there than it is here. Our first case was confirmed only 2 days after theirs and we have only 2 confirmed cases as of today.

It could be down to their testing regime also.
There does not seem to be a universally accepted pattern to testing.

Allinall · 04-03-2020 03:57PM

ZiabR wrote: »

My advice, AVOID St. Patricks day like the plague. If it goes ahead it will have massive repercussions for Ireland.

I fully plan on skipping from the 16th March straight to 18th.

No way I'm taking any chances.

Drumpot · 04-03-2020 03:57PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Would licking walls and statues have anything to with it?

I suppose we have better hygiene and the capacity to Treat these diseases much better then 100 years ago. The one issue we face that they didn’t back then is speed of transmission. A person with the virus can probably fly anywhere in the world within 24 hours. This would nullify a lot of our medical advantages if it leads to much quicker spread.

Take economics or money out of the equation and there is no reason why we cannot organise a mass closure/isolation of everything. I understand why this is not feasible in the modern world so in the absence of that I think we should close schools, encouraging as many staff (private/public) possible to work from home and cancelling all events with more then a handful of people.

If we do that now for even 2 weeks, we will get an idea of where we are really at and in 3 weeks time we would have a relatively healthy workforce ready to go back to work. Not just that, we will of seen how things played out in other countries and could extend this strategy if needs be.

This won’t happen of course, because every country seems to be taking a “well what happened there won’t happen here” approach to their response and in fairness it would be a bold move for our little country to break from this thinking.

ZiabR · 04-03-2020 03:57PM

ZiabR wrote: »

Following on from my post "quoted" I have been told that the number in the UK is now up to 85 cases and this will be announced in the next hour or so. If it turns out to be true, that is a significant increase for the UK.

Seems my friends in the NHS were telling the truth. 85 cases have just been confirmed in the UK on BBC news. The UK are in trouble and Ireland will follow suit.

Allinall · 04-03-2020 03:58PM

Ficheall wrote: »

So you'd trust their mouthpiece stating yesterday that it is unlikely there are any further cases in the country?

He didn't say that.

Candamir · 04-03-2020 03:58PM

ZiabR wrote: »

I have been saying this for days now. People just don't seem to want to understand how this virus spreads and how it is NOTHING like Influenza or SARS 1. SAR 1 was much easier to contain because patients were not contagious when they were Pre-Symptomatic.

Please educate yourselves on Pre-Symptomatic spread and Incubation for Covid 19. This is why this virus likely cannot be contained and why more and more cases are being reported in the EU each day. This is also the reason why Ireland has many more cases that are yet to be confirmed.

With Covid 19, you can be contagious from as little as 5 hours after contracting the virus, yet you might not show ANY symptoms for days and even weeks. By the time you have symptoms you have already infected 10s of people.

The WHO are of the opinion that asymptomatic spread is not a major factor, and the R number is not in the ‘10’s’ as you suggest.
Where are you getting this information?

dmakc · 04-03-2020 03:58PM

Gyms must be one of the more risky areas?

solidasarock · 04-03-2020 03:59PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Re: Foot and Mouth. The risk was obvious and immediate. Like they had snipers taking out wildlife in Louth. Plus we had more money back then and perhaps most significant, probably the best Minister for Agriculture in the history of the state was in office at the time and led the whole thing.

How are the risks here not obvious and immediate.

You literally just have to look at how quickly it has spread in every other country in Europe.

Its fine now. It could be a sh!tshow in 2 weeks here. And the degree of that sh!tshow will depend on our actions now.

Ficheall · 04-03-2020 03:59PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

No, they said there is likely to be more cases and always have since our first.

Can't find the link to the video, but from the RTE site https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0303/1119908-coronavirus-tracker/
"Dr Tony Holohan says it will be mostly paramedic staff who will be carrying out community testing.He said there has been some consideration of testing asymptomatic people and that will be looked at again next week.
Dr Holohan says he does not have any reason to think there are cases out there of which they are not aware.
He said the chances of anyone out there in the community being infected remains extremely low.
When questioned how the first person identified to have Covid-19 is doing, the Department representatives said they were not commenting on individual cases."

DOCARCH · 04-03-2020 03:59PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Currently world health organisation WHO thinks that it can be contained and ultimately eradicated based on what's happening in China. They are advocating containment.

Countries would need to impose martial law and remove civil liberties to be anywhere near as effective as China!

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP