Businesspeople are vulgar chancers

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-03-2020 01:49PM

"President Michael D. Higgins has warned that the capacity of universities to provide a “moral space” for discussion is being eroded at a time of growing political populism."

He's right, for once, but not in the way he thinks. In universities across the world, populist political correctness is shutting down discussion so that only approved perspectives are represented. The university has become a "safe space," free from supposedly dangerous opinions, as opposed to a "moral space for discussion" where all perspectives can be represented.

Mr Higgins said universities are relied upon “to create that moral space where people will be able to evaluate different suggestions”.

Again, people can't "evaluate different suggestions" as long as the only acceptable suggestions on a university campus are those coming from the ideological left.

kowloon · 04-03-2020 01:50PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

When I went to college my class time was 35 hours a week and about 20 hours additional work I was studying civil engineering in a technical college. There was no moral and philosophical discussion and no reason for it. Micky D here just showed how clueless he is about what college is like for other people in different colleges to him.
Yeah art students have time and it is part if their studies to debate principles. An engineering student doesn't debate the size of a brick or the tensile strength of concrete.

I've studied a subject like yourself that was effectively a full-time job. At the same time, I had friends doing courses that involved only a few hours of contact time a week. Having gone back to study a far less practical subject since then I no longer look down on the humanities students. I think more education, in general, is what is needed and it's all positive. Just don't expect the big money out of a degree in Irish literature.

Gloomtastic! · 04-03-2020 01:58PM

Why has the OP been given a yellow card? Free thinking/speech not allowed on here anymore? :mad:

Like all socialists in a position of power, he's never done a hard days work in his life but uses his ability to bull**** to rise above his comrades. €200k a year, all expenses paid with gold-plated pension to come, all courtesy of others.

Dyr · 04-03-2020 01:59PM

Better Than Christ wrote: »

He's an embarrassment to idiots who think it's acceptable to use the term 'dwarf' to describe someone who, through no fault of their own, is below average height. Fair enough. Most people think he's great.

Is it his fault that his circumference is greater than his height?

Fat little twerp.

Raconteuse · 04-03-2020 02:04PM

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Why has the OP been given a yellow card? Free thinking/speech not allowed on here anymore? :mad:.

- "absurd dwarf"
- lying (the title of the thread and the opening post are bullsh1t)
- there has never been free speech on Boards (or anywhere) particularly when it comes to insults/lying.

People can think what they like though.

Plenty of others are criticising MDH here without resorting to misleading.

skooterblue2 · 04-03-2020 02:10PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

We know that's not true.

What has he worked at out side of University?
Doctor of Sociology is no a real place in the world.
It is not comparable to industry, commerce or the greater real world. It just requires you to sit in a room and wonder if the lower class. It doesnt have to turn a profit. Poetry is an obtuse idea for intellectuals who are either well fed or use hunger for creative purposes.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-03-2020 02:22PM

bubblypop wrote: »

He's a great president
Well able to deal with foreign visitors
Knows all about politics
A great scholar
Can debate with everyone
Is brilliant at talking with everyone from every type of background

Does a great job of extolling the virtues of deceased totalitarian dictators, such as Fidel Castro, whom he called "a giant among global leaders," and Hugo Chávez, who allegedly "achieved a great deal during his term in office" (including overthrowing the constitution and destroying the Venezuelan economy).

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 04-03-2020 02:34PM

Bailee Fat Peddler wrote: »

Does a great job of extolling the virtues of deceased totalitarian dictators, such as Fidel Castro, whom he called "a giant among global leaders," and Hugo Chávez, who allegedly "achieved a great deal during his term in office" (including overthrowing the constitution and destroying the Venezuelan economy).

Chavez wasn't a totalitarian dictator, whatever else you might want to say about him.

Gloomtastic! · 04-03-2020 02:39PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

- "absurd dwarf"
- lying (the title of the thread and the opening post are bullsh1t)
- there has never been free speech on Boards (or anywhere) particularly when it comes to insults/lying.

People can think what they like though.

Plenty of others are criticising MDH here without resorting to misleading.

What about parasitic shrimp? No word of a lie there - He’s tiny and he lives off other organisms - us!

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-03-2020 02:49PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Chavez wasn't a totalitarian dictator, whatever else you might want to say about him.

Do you regard Chávez — whose authoritarian legacy included trampling his country's democratic constitution, dismantling its Supreme Court, seizing control of its media, intimidating and silencing journalists and dissidents, threatening judges, dismantling human rights protections, and destroying the economy to the point of massive humanitarian crisis — as someone the president of Ireland should be praising?

Arghus · 04-03-2020 03:09PM

And so it begins...

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-03-2020 03:11PM

the windbag wouldnt last two minutes in the real world

Ipso · 04-03-2020 03:15PM

Bailee Fat Peddler wrote: »

Do you regard Chávez — whose authoritarian legacy included trampling his country's democratic constitution, dismantling its Supreme Court, seizing control of its media, intimidating and silencing journalists and dissidents, threatening judges, dismantling human rights protections, and destroying the economy to the point of massive humanitarian crisis — as someone the president of Ireland should be praising?

Shur it’s it great. Just wouldn’t live there, but it’s great.

Arghus · 04-03-2020 03:18PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the windbag wouldnt last two minutes in the real world

He seems to have done alright.

Ipso · 04-03-2020 03:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

He seems to have done alright.

Working for the tax payer.

mikhail · 04-03-2020 03:23PM

Ipso wrote: »

Working for the tax payer.

He grew up in a tin shack in Clare, and wound up president of the country. What have you done?

Ipso · 04-03-2020 03:25PM

mikhail wrote: »

He grew up in a tin shack in Clare, and wound up president of the country. What have you done?

I haven’t spouted praise for regimes of failed states as if they’re something to be emulated, while knowing deep down I’d never darken their door step for anything other than a cheap holiday.

mikhail · 04-03-2020 03:29PM

Ipso wrote: »

I haven’t spouted praise for regimes of failed states as if they’re something to be emulated, while knowing deep down I’d never darken their door step for anything other than a cheap holiday.

So you'd prop up the regimes of these "failed states" (a term you're misusing, by the way) with your tourist money - trading local people's ongoing misery for a cheap thrill? Some paragon of virtue you are.

Raconteuse · 04-03-2020 03:29PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What has he worked at out side of University?
Doctor of Sociology is no a real place in the world.
It is not comparable to industry, commerce or the greater real world. It just requires you to sit in a room and wonder if the lower class. It doesnt have to turn a profit. Poetry is an obtuse idea for intellectuals who are either well fed or use hunger for creative purposes.

I don't disagree with some of the criticisms of him (his praise of Castro is infuriating), I just can't stand dishonesty, and I think irrelevant comments about a person's appearance (including that of Trump) are six-year-old level.

But he worked for ESB and in a factory before entering academia. He came from humble beginnings.

Ipso · 04-03-2020 03:36PM

mikhail wrote: »

So you'd prop up the regimes of these "failed states" (a term you're misusing, by the way) with your tourist money - trading local people's ongoing misery for a cheap thrill? Some paragon of virtue you are.

No. I never said I’d visit there. More of a reference to people who say it’s great but would never reside there.

I see sheep · 04-03-2020 04:34PM

Still a lot of bitter Peter Casey fanboys around

super_furry · 04-03-2020 05:00PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the windbag wouldnt last two minutes in the real world

So what world is he currently in? Narnia? I mean I know he's short and all, but come on....

Ipso · 04-03-2020 05:11PM

I see sheep wrote: »

Still a lot of bitter Peter Casey fanboys around

Let's sit the rest of this one out, Nostradamus.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-03-2020 05:24PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

But he worked for ESB and in a factory before entering academia.

From what I can find, Higgins spent the summer after he finished his Leaving Cert working for Progress International Ltd. in the Shannon Industrial Estate. This company focuses on enhancing business development through behavioural and attitudinal change. It seems to be a stretch to describe this as "working in a factory," although I can understand why he might want to represent it as such.

lalababa · 04-03-2020 05:29PM

Misquoted in the IT headline, and taken out of context in the OPs........great stuff.

ohnonotgmail · 04-03-2020 05:53PM

Bailee Fat Peddler wrote: »

From what I can find, Higgins spent the summer after he finished his Leaving Cert working for Progress International Ltd. in the Shannon Industrial Estate. This company focuses on enhancing business development through behavioural and attitudinal change. It seems to be a stretch to describe this as "working in a factory," although I can understand why he might want to represent it as such.

Does that not count as work or is it only manual labour you count as real work?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-03-2020 06:12PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Does that not count as work or is it only manual labour you count as real work?

Of course it's real work. I'm commenting on his representation of it.

Michael D. might find it convenient to claim that he "worked in a factory" so as to create a sense of solidarity with the working classes.

In reality, he worked in a business development company that just happened to be located in an industrial estate.

ohnonotgmail · 04-03-2020 06:14PM

Bailee Fat Peddler wrote: »

Of course it's real work. I'm commenting on his representation of it.

Michael D. might find it convenient to claim that he "worked in a factory" so as to create a sense of solidarity with the working classes.

In reality, he worked in a business development company that just happened to be located in an industrial estate.

he comes from a working class background his solidarity with the working class is not in doubt. And i only have your word for it he has misrepresented himself so, you know, ...

Snickers Man · 04-03-2020 06:29PM

tdf7187 wrote: »

Says 'our' president.

How did this absurd dwarf manage to become elected president of my country? He's an embarassment. He also manages to insult 48% of the population of our main ally. What a fecking eejit.

"Well, the first thing I want to say is: Mandate my ass!

Because it seems as though we've been convinced that 26% of the registered voters, not even 26% of the American people, but 26% of the registered voters form a mandate or a landslide"

So said the great Gil Scott Heron forty years ago when Ronald Reagan got elected. He presumably got that figure by multiplying the percentage of the vote Reagan got by the percentage of eligible voters who bothered to turn out.

Doing the same for Trump, and assuming your figure of 48% of the vote is accurate we get a figure of 28% (two points better than Reagan) for the percentage of "Eligible Voters" who opted for Fat Boy. (Turnout in 2016 was 58%).

So Micheálín hasn't insulted "48% of the population of our main ally"; if he insulted them at all, he only insulted 28%. And remember, that's only of "eligible voters". Given the vast swathes of Americans who don't register, or are not allowed to!!!, the percentage of the population to which you are referring is probably much smaller even than that.

And the second thing I want to say is: what ally? We don't have allies; we're a neutral country. America doesn't consider us an ally, we're a "Most Friendly Nation", up there with Sweden and Switzerland. Also not allies.

As for your misquoting the main text, well other people have mentioned that already.

Our president is better than their president in every way. He's smarter, more charming, more accomplished, funnier, braver, harder working, has more support in his country.

And even though he's a little shorter.......

I bet he's even got a bigger penis!!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 04-03-2020 06:38PM

Bailee Fat Peddler wrote: »

Do you regard Chávez — whose authoritarian legacy included trampling his country's democratic constitution, dismantling its Supreme Court, seizing control of its media, intimidating and silencing journalists and dissidents, threatening judges, dismantling human rights protections, and destroying the economy to the point of massive humanitarian crisis — as someone the president of Ireland should be praising?

You're shifting the goalposts now.

Businesspeople are vulgar chancers

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