Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

RugbyLad11 · 04-03-2020 02:12PM

omega man wrote: »

This. 2 cases in pop of approx 5m.
Caution is key but let’s remain rational and trust our own experts.
I didn’t go online at all this morning and found I was way more relaxed going into work. It didn’t last long though!

We have 2 confirmed cases but you'd have to be very native to think we only have 2 cases in the whole of rep Ireland.

As you say we have a pop of approx 5m but as of yesterday ONLY 300 people had been tested!

Call Me Jimmy · 04-03-2020 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, whatever people are saying, the health care system in Ireland is far superior than to China.

What's your take on how many confirmed infections our health system could reasonably support? Given that South Korea started hitting limits around 4000 confirmed infections and Italy is getting there now (in affected regions). That's a couple of weeks of spread maxing things out (as the WHO visitor to Wuhan said the real issue was).

People are always talking about perspective and minimising numbers, I'm curious to hear someone talk about this, the real danger. There was a Dr out of James on RTE who said we simply can't afford to have an outbreak here I'll try and find it again.

EDIT: Here it is, Intensive Care Consultant says not enough beds if there is an outbreak https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/consultant-warns-not-enough-icu-beds-in-event-of-coronavirus-outbreak-983636.html

tuxy · 04-03-2020 02:12PM

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Paracetamol treat a fever / temp

Doesn't a fever help kill the virus?

silverharp · 04-03-2020 02:12PM

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Paracetamol treat a fever / temp

if its just for comfort are you not slowing down the body's defence mechanism?

WhatsGoingOn2 · 04-03-2020 02:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

OK what I said is it is not the FLU. Compare it to a pandemic in which health systems were overwhelmed and there is nothing we can do for patients who contract the illness due to resources being tied up. This is not swine flu so not a valid comparison. I take it you saw the horror in wuhan with temporary hospitals set up with no breathing support. They managed to get a handle on it by implementing drastic public health measures and throwing the resources of one of the most powerful countries on earth at it.

Just heard someone get the civil defence trained up. In what? Being a respirator. India has just restricted export on 28 active ingredients for medicines. If this progresses the way it has it will end up every country for themselves. We already don't have masks and hand gel. What will happen when we don't have paracetamol and everyone has a fever?

I can't post pictures as don't have enough posts yet but I read latest figures from Italy with a detailed breakdown.

in veneto its ~30% who tested positive are in hospital. 7% are in intesive care.
In Lombardy where it started (hence has run longer) ~50% who tested positive are in hospital. Here's the link, you have to scroll down to see the breakdown.
first column is “hospitalised”

second is “intensive care”

third is “home isolation”

fourth is recovered

fifth is dead

last is number of tests

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/03/news/coronavirus_mattarella_firma_decreto_legge-250077895/

There are a lot of medicines made in Ireland, including paracetamol.

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 02:13PM

tuxy wrote: »

Doesn't a fever help kill the virus?

Isn't a fever also dangerous?

omega man · 04-03-2020 02:13PM

tom1ie wrote: »

What makes Ireland different from every other country on earth?
You seem to think numbers will not increase to a high level like they are doing in many other country’s right now.
Why won’t this happen in Ireland, what method have we found to stop this?

Where did I say numbers won’t increase? Please don’t make stuff up.
Ireland is following all relevant guidelines but yet some people online think they know better...

Funsterdelux · 04-03-2020 02:14PM

tuxy wrote: »

Doesn't a fever help kill the virus?

Also getting too hot can be dangerous too, esp younger kids.

Note to self Stock up on calpol

tuxy · 04-03-2020 02:15PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Isn't a fever also dangerous?

Yes, it can be
Advice should be on a case by case basis.

Tootsie_1 · 04-03-2020 02:16PM

So I take it we will be over run with Italians this weekend that would of booked flights for the match ... not the most reassuring thought

caveat emptor · 04-03-2020 02:16PM

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

There are a lot of medicines made in Ireland, including paracetamol.

Agreed. And do you know where the active ingredients for those medicines are made? Vast majority in China and India.

It's a complicated world we live in and we are going to find out pretty quick just how complicated.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226565999048220679?s=20

04-03-2020 02:16PM

New Home wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. If I were paranoid I'd be thinking that the powers-that-be don't care too much about this particularly because it seems to affect the weak, the vulnerable and the old, e.g. all the categories of population that are expensive to maintain, so they'd save money in the long run. If I were paranoid, mind you.

Oh, and just to add: the strain of virus in Italy appears to be a mutated version of the Chinese one. They still haven't found out exactly how it got there - the first two elderly patients in Rome, AFAIK, turned out to be negative. Another one of the first cases in Italy had contacts with a colleague who had contacts with Chinese visitors, but said colleague turned out to be negative, too. Lots of the cases there, and not only in the North, have an unknown origing (at least, not an origin that has been found, yet). Recommending that people do not travel to 4 regions (which they've been doing since this started, by the way, although they said yesterday during the press conference that until now the restrictions were for specific "pockets" or towns - this is not true) is too little. One final thing: it is now believed that this virus has been present in Italy since October last year, so go figure.

I don't even know where to start. But the virus been in Italy before it is even believed to have mutated takes the biscuit.

And obviously SOURCE????

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 04-03-2020 02:18PM

Italy has closed all schools and universities until mid March.

mlem123 · 04-03-2020 02:18PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

We have 2 confirmed cases but you'd have to be very native to think we only have 2 cases in the whole of rep Ireland.

As you say we have a pop of approx 5m but as of yesterday ONLY 300 people had been tested!

Technically the figure for last week was 397 so you'd be better rounding up than down

joe40 · 04-03-2020 02:18PM

I can see cancellation of events becoming more common.

My daughter had managed to get a place on a 3 day transition year programme, in the royal college of surgeons, to get a taster of doing medicine in college.

Needless to say she was very excited, but e-mail came through yesterday that it had been cancelled.

Obviously understandable, especially by the RCSI but still disappointing.

I imagine lots of this sort of thing happening in the coming weeks.

I'm fully aware of the really dangerous consequences of this outbreak, but still I want my wee minor moan.

stephenjmcd · 04-03-2020 02:18PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

We have 2 confirmed cases but you'd have to be very native to think we only have 2 cases in the whole of rep Ireland.

As you say we have a pop of approx 5m but as of yesterday ONLY 300 people had been tested!

Only that many have been tested because they meet the criteria, those that have been in close contact with someone and those with travel history etc.

The close contacts have clearly tested negative so far, therefore it's not community spreading here, you can only go off the data to hand.

If they were to test every person who has a cough or a bit of a head cold then genuine cases would probably go under the radar.

Bit of cop on needed from some people too, its entirely possible someone could have a normal flu

gabeeg · 04-03-2020 02:18PM

omega man wrote: »

Where did I say numbers won’t increase? Please don’t make stuff up.
Ireland is following all relevant guidelines but yet some people online think they know better...

The HSE are not exactly going public with projected figures, so it's not like anyone is contradicting them.

All we're doing is looking at what has happened and is currently happening all around us, and freaking out a little.
If you're not scared you haven't been paying attention.

Drumpot · 04-03-2020 02:19PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/thousands-wait-for-hospital-beds-in-south-korea-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-idUSKBN20R05M

"Thousands wait for hospital beds in South Korea as coronavirus cases surge"

What are we doing in Ireland and Europe right now, that means whats happening in South Korea is not on its way here ? Genuine question, I have a decent knowledge of whats going on, but I have not heard any credible sources say why its not going to be as bad in Europe.

All I hear from WHO is that we should be preparing ourselves and be prepared to take extreme measures. So why are some people so confident this will blow itself out and not get bad here ?

Mic 1972 · 04-03-2020 02:19PM

New Home wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. If I were paranoid I'd be thinking that the powers-that-be don't care too much about this particularly because it seems to affect the weak, the vulnerable and the old, e.g. all the categories of population that are expensive to maintain, so they'd save money in the long run. If I were paranoid, mind you.

Oh, and just to add: the strain of virus in Italy appears to be a mutated version of the Chinese one. They still haven't found out exactly how it got there - the first two elderly patients in Rome, AFAIK, turned out to be negative. Another one of the first cases in Italy had contacts with a colleague who had contacts with Chinese visitors, but said colleague turned out to be negative, too. Lots of the cases there, and not only in the North, have an unknown origing (at least, not an origin that has been found, yet). Recommending that people do not travel to 4 regions (which they've been doing since this started, by the way, although they said yesterday during the press conference that until now the restrictions were for specific "pockets" or towns - this is not true) is too little. One final thing: it is now believed that this virus has been present in Italy since October last year, so go figure.

Italy is a huge touristic attraction. The first few patients that were found in January had all traveled around the north visiting lots of crowded places. Whenver 1-2 cases are found in a country you already know there are hundreds around already taht may or may not turn up in hospital. Italy went from 3 cases to 100 in a day

stevek93 · 04-03-2020 02:20PM

Was talking to a Chinese national yesterday about this virus he was giving out vouchers for the local takeaway around the doors he mentioned there has been a huge decline in orders recently. He was quick to point out Italy has a huge number now not only China he must be facing some judgment regarding the outbreak.

SusanC10 · 04-03-2020 02:20PM

Only able to log in now so have missed a 100 pages or so !

Anyone summarise ?

Any idea where Case #2 is located here ?

Also how is Italy doing ?

Cupatae · 04-03-2020 02:21PM

Banditluke thanking posts after been thread banned like

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:D

Cuckoo7 · 04-03-2020 02:21PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Was talking to a Chinese national yesterday about this virus he was giving out vouchers for the local takeaway around the doors he mentioned there has been a huge decline in orders recently. He was quick to point out Italy has a huge number now not only China he must be facing some judgment regarding the outbreak.

Aren’t you self-isolating?

Call Me Jimmy · 04-03-2020 02:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Agreed. And do you know where the active ingredients for those medicines are made? Vast majority in China and India.

It's a complicated world we live in and we are going to find out pretty quick just how complicated.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226565999048220679?s=20

Didn't India just announce they will not be exporting certain ingredients now?

Mic 1972 · 04-03-2020 02:21PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Was talking to a Chinese national yesterday about this virus he was giving out vouchers for the local takeaway around the doors he mentioned there has been a huge decline in orders recently. He was quick to point out Italy has a huge number now not only China he must be facing some judgment regarding the outbreak.

Apparently Italians are now infecting Chinese people in China! it was on the Italian news today
This made me laugh

Tordelback · 04-03-2020 02:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The way you are speaking, you would expect a 99% chance of your dad dying. Also, whatever people are saying, the health care system in Ireland is far superior than to China. .

Obviously I fervently hope your reading is more accurate than mine, although I can't seem to derive those numbers myself, and I do appreciate the good wishes.

The bottom line for me is 20% requiring hospital care. If we can't keep infection rates down to single figures (and I cant see that myself) we're all going to be going to a lot of funerals of elderly relatives this year.

04-03-2020 02:21PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's your take on how many confirmed infections our health system could reasonably support? Given that South Korea started hitting limits around 4000 confirmed infections and Italy is getting there now (in affected regions). That's a couple of weeks of spread maxing things out (as the WHO visitor to Wuhan said the real issue was).

People are always talking about perspective and minimising numbers, I'm curious to hear someone talk about this, the real danger. There was a Dr out of James on RTE who said we simply can't afford to have an outbreak here I'll try and find it again.

Don't get me wrong. There are circa 250 ICU beds in Ireland, if there are more than 250 people needing to be intubated, then it's likely that they will die/ be in serious trouble.

One thing we have going for us is that we are a relatively young population (for a western european country). This should reduce bed pressures significantly.

omega man · 04-03-2020 02:22PM

gabeeg wrote: »

The HSE are not exactly going public with projected figures, so it's not like anyone is contradicting them.

All we're doing is looking at what has happened and is currently happening all around us, and freaking out a little.
If you're not scared you haven't been paying attention.

If I’m not scared I should be? Nonsense.

weldoninhio · 04-03-2020 02:24PM

stevek93 wrote: »

Where have you seen this? Very important to me as I am currently out of work with flu like symptoms but the HSE won't test me because I haven't been to any of the effected areas or haven't been in contact with anyone with the virus. They are telling me I might or might not have it. Also my employer is keeping my situation hidden from my colleagues.

Why can't you tell your colleagues??

banie01 · 04-03-2020 02:24PM

This whole Italy taking the Corona virus and really making it their own...
Reminded me I posted this on FB at the end of last month!

I'm a prophet! :O :P

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP