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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #7292
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235187396251127811?s=19


  • #7293
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If final mortality was over 2%, I said I'd quit my job. I was been a bit hyperbolic as I was frustrated. I'm hardly going to throw away a 90000 euro a year job that I love doing on an internet bet to randomers on the internet.;)

    Also it will be less than 2% when all said and done.

    wow you are not a jobber anyway


  • #7294
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235187396251127811


  • #7295
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Sigh. I am sooo tired of the number of people using the words panic, hysteria and dismissing this virus. Educate yourself.

    Those are the numbers from WHO i was making a point to illustrate WHY these events should be cancelled for a while. Yes if 13,000 get the virus then 455 will die, maybe more that is fact.

    They might not be at the arena. They may be in hospital or fighting cancer, or diabetic or have heart issues. YOU may not know them directly. But you can infect others who infect them.


    Large mass gatherings only spread the disease.

    It's not a lot to ask that people curtail the entertainment for a little while.
    Isn't your granny worth that at least?




    The virus has a fatality rate dependant on age. I think between 20-35 it's like similar to influenza but the older ages are quite high (15 %). LEt's calm down on the scare mongering a littl ebit.



    The real danger is how it puts people out of commisions, puts prpessure on the infrastructure of a country and how it can kill older vulnerable people.


  • #7296
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The panic is amazing. Yeah let's shut down the flights from italy. What's going to stop. People will just get to the next airport and gat a different flight home.

    What about perfectly healthy irish people abroad
    Should we strand them there. The HSE has a plan.

    They said they can treat patients in other facilities who have mild symptoms just like china did. Town halls community centres.

    The scaring of people with madeup bull**** and figures on here is off the charts.


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  • #7297
    Sigma101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    seamus wrote: »
    This. The worst-case figure of 80% that was thrown out by the UK, is what would happen if nobody did anything. If life went on as normal.

    Things have already changed, people are already altering their behaviour, governments are (mostly) responding.

    80% is not going to happen at this stage.

    Even look at China 80,000 confirmed cases, and dropping. That's 1/125th of 1% of the Chinese population. Their final infection count could be 125 times higher and it would still only be 1% of the population.

    Italy, despite apparently being rife with it, is still reporting an infection rate half that of China. Granted they're on the up while China is on a downward slope, but we shouldn't go nuts.

    At this stage, if this was to infect 3-4% of the world's population, that's probably the pragmatic figure, even slightly pessimistic. 10% would be bad. 80% is way off the charts - "collapse of civilisation as we know it", stuff.

    I agree with much of this. However, the situation in Italy could be worse than the Chinese case by orders of magnitude. China shut down Wuhan on 22nd January. At that point China had only 571 cases. It grew to over 70,000 cases in the following three weeks before there was a slowdown in new cases. Italy already has over 2,500 cases all over the country- and they're only considering whether they will shut schools at this stage.

    The situation in Italy is completely out of control.


  • #7298
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    stevek93 wrote: »
    Yes take paracetamol thats it the GP is ringing me everyday to see how everything is. I am not allow leave the house nobody is allowed to visit but my partner is allowed to go to work and we share a bed. :confused:

    That's good that your GP is in daily contact.

    If your partner becomes symptomatic they would need to isolate also.

    But why are you even following coronavirus protocol? You don't meet the criteria.
    As far as the HSE is concerned, you have flu, and on balance of probabilities, that's what you have.
    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7299
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Sigma101 wrote: »

    The situation in Italy is completely out of control.

    I hadn’t realized they were that far ahead of Wuhan already, bloody hell. :( that is not good.


  • #7300
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Those of you who organise events with largish groups of people, are you cancelling them or taking any extra measures?

    This is a good source https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/tracking-coronavirus-cancellations-and-travel-restrictions/ (primarily US based events)
    Cancellation of events is severely affecting our clients and our business but it is being looked at as necessary by the vast majority of companies.


  • #7301
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tordelback wrote: »
    I would say that it is purely down to whether he - and the thousands like him - get infected or not.

    Reading the 72K-person epidemiological study, and the WHO stats, the vast, vast majority of deaths so far are in the elderly and pre-existing conditions bracket. If he gets it, I really can't see him being one of the lucky ones - nor can I see the HSE being able to provide the necessary care in the event of widespread infections. I spent much of Christmas and New Year in hospitals advocating for two elderly relatives on trolleys, and that was just predictable seasonal load.

    It all comes down to how infection rates pan out. If folk like my Dad get caught up in this, all the evidence is that they will die, and I really don't see that as an irrational reading.

    I don't think you're being irrational either. Honestly when I saw that poster had replied to you I was hoping he would be able to provide you with some reassurance. I'm saddened that a pharmacist 'on the frontlines', directorate level within the HSE and making a difference 'on a national level' as he reminded us many, many times was so lacking in empathy and could only make you out to be irrational.

    Considering your dad's circumstances I think it's only natural that you would worry. My dad is in his 70s with heart trouble and my younger brother is immuno compromised, so believe me I'm worried too. Nonetheless your dad is by no means guaranteed to contract covid-19 and if on the very small chance he does catch it (and it really is a very small chance), from what you've said he sounds like a fighter, coming through what he has already and doing well with his cancer treatment.

    Worrying ourselves sick isn't going to help anyone. I think the best we can do is keep our spirits up and their spirits up. Think about your dad's day to day routines and do what you can to minimise potential exposure. Is there any jobs he does for himself (e.g grocery shopping) that you could take over for a while? Avoid unnecessary gatherings. Make sure he has sanitizer and wipes with him when he's going for his treatments etc. Small things really can make a big difference.

    Try to be his voice of reason and keep him calm. Worrying is good for nobodies health.

    I'm very much trying to let on I'm not concerned while at the same time giving my mam and dad hints and tips on keeping themselves safe.


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  • #7302
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭omega man


    irishgeo wrote: »
    The panic is amazing. Yeah let's shut down the flights from italy. What's going to stop. People will just get to the next airport and gat a different flight home.

    What about perfectly healthy irish people abroad
    Should we strand them there. The HSE has a plan.

    They said they can treat patients in other facilities who have mild symptoms just like china did. Town halls community centres.

    The scaring of people with madeup bull**** and figures on here is off the charts.

    This. 2 cases in pop of approx 5m.
    Caution is key but let’s remain rational and trust our own experts.
    I didn’t go online at all this morning and found I was way more relaxed going into work. It didn’t last long though!


  • #7303
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭stevek93


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    That's good that your GP is in daily contact.

    If your partner becomes symptomatic they would need to isolate also.

    But why are you even following coronavirus protocol? You don't meet the criteria.
    As far as the HSE is concerned, you have flu, and on balance of probabilities, that's what you have.
    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

    I have no idea that is the advise given by the doctor I highly doubt community transmission is happening this early.


  • #7304
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Sigma101 wrote: »
    The situation in Italy is completely out of control.

    Seems they are finally taking some widespread action by closing all schools and unis. Meanwhile, we'll happily potentially take in Northern Italian fans this weekend and head off to Cheltenham, gather in parades etc etc. For an island nation, we really should be able to minimise and contain this but do we have the will?


  • #7305
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    stevek93 wrote: »
    Yes take paracetamol thats it the GP is ringing me everyday to see how everything is. I am not allow leave the house nobody is allowed to visit but my partner is allowed to go to work and we share a bed. :confused:
    How come they've advised you to take paracetamol?


  • #7306
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    the butcher wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235187396251127811?s=19

    If Italy are closing all schools and unis across the country, can we stop banging on about the paddy's day parade as if it matters?


  • #7307
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The Government need to step in here and outright ban any frivolous travel to Italy such as ski trips and ban any exchange students from entering the country. What are they at? I cared for my terminally ill mother for many years and saw how susceptible and vulnerable she was to any kind of virus. Are the Government asleep at the wheel? People are going to die because some child wanted to go skiing. And it won’t be someone young who has every chance of fighting it. It’ll be someone older who has done all they can to insure they can stay on this planet for as long as possible, and has taken preventative measures to protect themselves. But there’s only so much one person can do, we need a communal effort to help people who are going to find this extreme difficult to fight.

    If my mother was still alive now I would be absolutely fuming. And I’m extremely annoyed for those who are immune suppressed and want to live and shouldn’t be seen as expendable because they’re older.

    Couldn't agree more. If I were paranoid I'd be thinking that the powers-that-be don't care too much about this particularly because it seems to affect the weak, the vulnerable and the old, e.g. all the categories of population that are expensive to maintain, so they'd save money in the long run. If I were paranoid, mind you.

    Oh, and just to add: the strain of virus in Italy appears to be a mutated version of the Chinese one. They still haven't found out exactly how it got there - the first two elderly patients in Rome, AFAIK, turned out to be negative. Another one of the first cases in Italy had contacts with a colleague who had contacts with Chinese visitors, but said colleague turned out to be negative, too. Lots of the cases there, and not only in the North, have an unknown origin (at least, not an origin that has been found, yet). Recommending that people do not travel to 4 regions (which they've been doing since this started, by the way, although they said yesterday during the press conference that until now the restrictions were for specific "pockets" or towns - this is not true) is too little. One final thing: it is now believed that this virus has been present in Italy since October last year, so go figure*.

    *EDIT: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112722993&postcount=7734


  • #7308
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    All of what you say is true, but it doesn't take away from the ridiculousness of saying "it's not a flu, let's compare it to a flu".

    The WHO have also said it doesnt spread as easily as a flu. As you highlighted yourself, the 3.4% is an estimate. When swine flu was starting out, there were projections that the death rate would be much higher, yet that didn't end up happening.

    OK what I said is it is not the FLU. Compare it to a pandemic in which health systems were overwhelmed and there is nothing we can do for patients who contract the illness due to resources being tied up. This is not swine flu so not a valid comparison. I take it you saw the horror in wuhan with temporary hospitals set up with no breathing support. They managed to get a handle on it by implementing drastic public health measures and throwing the resources of one of the most powerful countries on earth at it.

    Just heard someone get the civil defence trained up. In what? Being a respirator. India has just restricted export on 28 active ingredients for medicines. If this progresses the way it has it will end up every country for themselves. We already don't have masks and hand gel. What will happen when we don't have paracetamol and everyone has a fever?

    I can't post pictures as don't have enough posts yet but I read latest figures from Italy with a detailed breakdown.

    in veneto its ~30% who tested positive are in hospital. 7% are in intesive care.
    In Lombardy where it started (hence has run longer) ~50% who tested positive are in hospital. Here's the link, you have to scroll down to see the breakdown.
    • first column is “hospitalised”
    • second is “intensive care”
    • third is “home isolation”
    • fourth is recovered
    • fifth is dead
    • last is number of tests

    X5oXWz5


    https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/03/news/coronavirus_mattarella_firma_decreto_legge-250077895/


  • #7309
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    the butcher wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235187396251127811?s=19

    It is speedy way to eliminate a large transmission vector for the period of the suspension IMO.

    It reduces the transmission opportunity in large groups and also reduces the volume of people commuting.

    It will place inordinate strain on parents, and childcare businesses if introduced in Ireland but it does reduce risk massively.

    One would wonder how it would affect state exam preparation and just how much work can be done by students to finish their semester work?
    I don't know what the contingency is for that here in Ireland?

    Is it easy A?


  • #7310
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    omega man wrote: »
    This. 2 cases in pop of approx 5m.
    Caution is key but let’s remain rational and trust our own experts.
    I didn’t go online at all this morning and found I was way more relaxed going into work. It didn’t last long though!

    What makes Ireland different from every other country on earth?
    You seem to think numbers will not increase to a high level like they are doing in many other country’s right now.
    Why won’t this happen in Ireland, what method have we found to stop this?


  • #7311
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Ficheall wrote: »
    How come they've advised you to take paracetamol?

    Symptomatic treatment I'd assume?
    Treats fever, aches and pains.


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  • #7312
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Sigma101 wrote: »
    I agree with much of this. However, the situation in Italy could be worse than the Chinese case by orders of magnitude. China shut down Wuhan on 22nd January. At that point China had only 571 cases. It grew to over 70,000 cases in the following three weeks before there was a slowdown in new cases. Italy already has over 2,500 cases all over the country- and they're only considering whether they will shut schools at this stage.

    The situation in Italy is completely out of control.

    Has there been any work done on why Italy seems to be so badly affectd compared to other European countries. The incidences in Italy are massive compared to say Britain or France. What is different there?


  • #7313
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't think you're being irrational either. Honestly when I saw that poster had replied to you I was hoping he would be able to provide you with some reassurance. I'm saddened that a pharmacist 'on the frontlines', directorate level within the HSE and making a difference 'on a national level' as he reminded us many, many times was so lacking in empathy and could only make you out to be irrational.

    Considering your dad's circumstances I think it's only natural that you would worry. My dad is in his 70s with heart trouble and my younger brother is immuno compromised, so believe me I'm worried too. Nonetheless your dad is by no means guaranteed to contract covid-19 and if on the very small chance he does catch it (and it really is a very small chance), from what you've said he sounds like a fighter, coming through what he has already and doing well with his cancer treatment.

    Worrying ourselves sick isn't going to help anyone. I think the best we can do is keep our spirits up and their spirits up. Think about your dad's day to day routines and do what you can to minimise potential exposure. Is there any jobs he does for himself (e.g grocery shopping) that you could take over for a while? Avoid unnecessary gatherings. Make sure he has sanitizer and wipes with him when he's going for his treatments etc. Small things really can make a big difference.

    Try to be his voice of reason and keep him calm. Worrying is good for nobodies health.

    I'm very much trying to let on I'm not concerned while at the same time giving my mam and dad hints and tips on keeping themselves safe.

    I see the dazzler had replied a second time with some stats on the risk and a more reassuring tone. I was surprised by his initial response but happy to conclude he was just having a bad moment. Phew.


  • #7314
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Tippex wrote: »
    This is a good source https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/tracking-coronavirus-cancellations-and-travel-restrictions/ (primarily US based events)
    Cancellation of events is severely affecting our clients and our business but it is being looked at as necessary by the vast majority of companies.
    Thanks, that is interesting, but I was wondering at a more local level.


  • #7315
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ficheall wrote: »
    How come they've advised you to take paracetamol?

    If patient was complaining of fever, paracetamol helps bring your temperature down due to vasdilation.


  • #7316
    2Mad2BeMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    tom1ie wrote: »
    What makes Ireland different from every other country on earth?
    You seem to think numbers will not increase to a high level like they are doing in many other country’s right now.
    Why won’t this happen in Ireland, what method have we found to stop this?

    We're stubborn.


  • #7317
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Ficheall wrote: »
    How come they've advised you to take paracetamol?

    Paracetamol treat a fever / temp


  • #7318
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    We're stubborn.

    Unfortunately the virus doesn’t care about that. :pac:


  • #7319
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see the dazzler had replied a second time with some stats on the risk and a more reassuring tone. I was surprised by his initial response but happy to conclude he was just having a bad moment. Phew.

    I'm only a prick 80% of the time. ;)
    Your advice you gave was good in your post. Sorry, sometimes I tend to write without thinking on boards. Apologies if offended anybody.


  • #7320
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    It's not an easy call. I wouldn't like to be the person/group responsible for making the decision.

    Tourism all over Italy has completely fallen through the floor: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/pictures-impact-coronavirus-italy-tourism-200303070614911.html

    Irish tourism is worth €8bn to 9€bn. Take that out of our economy, and it would certainly take a big hit over the year if St Patrick's day is cancelled due to perceptions abroad, and you'll get deaths due to the inevitable recession.

    On the flip side, surely the tourism industry all over the world is going take a huge hit this year so cancelling St Patrick's day wouldn't necessarily have a big impact.

    I'd imagine it will be cancelled in due course. It's unlikely that the current two cases will be the only cases. As the number of cases increase, the pressure for sensible precautions will increase.

    Particularly given the already demonstrated slowness in contact tracing, EG the up to two days to contact the other band members.

    TBF , I do not think cancelling the Parade should be an easy one to make and I can understand the hesitation to make a call.

    You could also look on the downside on this. If Ireland leaves the Parade go ahead and it does lead to a massive explosion in cases nationally and to foreign travellers, that could do alot of damage in the long run.


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  • #7321
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭stevek93


    Ficheall wrote: »
    How come they've advised you to take paracetamol?

    High temperature but paracetamol doesn't nothing for me.


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