Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Monkeynut · 03-03-2020 11:01AM

silverharp wrote: »

Apparently have has been good progress with mobile bio testing in general by startups in the US as a response to bio weapon threats.

Apple cider vinegar?

Martina1991 · 03-03-2020 11:02AM

Xertz wrote: »

It’s confirmed with a simple swab test taken from your nose and a laboratory analysis.

A CT scan couldn’t confirm anything like that. It might be used if someone had lung problems and you wanted to check for lung damage, obstructions or lung cancer.

Also you don’t do CT scanning unless there’s some clinical reason for needing it. There are rather large doses of X-rays involved and really CT is only used if it’s needed.

A simple 2D chest X-Ray can easily diagnose many lung problems.

Pneumonia is also usually diagnosed from symptoms and from blood oxygen measurements.

You’re not going to see mass screening of people by CT. It’s just not necessary or a particularly good idea.

I know all that. @pc7 was asking if we are using CT scans to confirm corona.

The first case here has already tested positive by laboratory analysis and may have had a CT as well to determine if he has developed pneumonia.

China had been using CT scans as part of their protocol but that may have been because they couldn't get through the volume of swab tests.

Rhys Essien · 03-03-2020 11:04AM

I see the 12:05 flight from Milan into Dublin has been delayed by 15 minutes. Probably trying to help the feverish people on to the plane.

GM228 · 03-03-2020 11:04AM

gmisk wrote: »

I didn't think we were cancelling any flights?
I know Ryanair said they running less frequently.
Did you get an email to say it cancelled?!

Ryanair cancelled a quarter of Italian flights last night as has BA and many other airlines around the world.

The airline industry will also be badly hit and will no doubt use it as an excuse for cuts etc., Cathy Pacific for example has grounded more than half it's fleet and laid off (temporarily) 25,000 of it's 33,,000 workforce.

It is predicted that this could affect the airline far worse than for example 9/11 or the SARS outbreak, it took the airline industry years to fully recover from 9/11.

The Nal · 03-03-2020 11:04AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Really? The level of mass hysteria is just crazy.

Absolutely insane. The same people will drink in pubs and buy fresh uncovered food.

recyclebin · 03-03-2020 11:06AM

Where are they saying the Juve Inter match is going ahead? More fake news!

Cupatae · 03-03-2020 11:07AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

No one is overreacting though. Allegedly.

wheres banditluke to go "HUH FUNNY YOUR THE ONLY ONE SAYING HYSTERIA!!"

Regards BannedLuke.

Steve F · 03-03-2020 11:08AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

It's probably already been explained but what's the story with the Dept Health advice that you need to be in close proximity to an infected person for 15 mins plus to be concerned??

If I'm down queuing in the local shop for a couple of minutes to pay for my few items later today and someone behind me coughs or sneezes. I and others could breath in maybe 30 times easily in that short time. So no worries if that person coughing or sneezing is a carrier of this flu?

If so, grand

It's not just "coughing and sneezing" though
That door handle you just touched coming in and a dozen other surfaces whilst there and not even realized ...teeming with bacteria and viruses
And has been since the dawn of time!! Nothing new here
Just follow the WHO guidelines.It's not the virus we are up against but other peoples poor hygiene and stupidity

SeaBreezes · 03-03-2020 11:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Was in gym yesterday and noticed a lot more than usual cleaning down machines and using gel. I can see their point in not changing behaviour because of something that might happen, when they've never had any bother before.

Darwin would beg to differ..

gmisk · 03-03-2020 11:08AM

GM228 wrote: »

Ryanair cancelled a quarter of Italian flights last night as has BA and many other airlines around the world.

The airline industry will also be badly hit and will no doubt use it as an excuse for cuts etc., Cathy Pacific for example has grounded more than half it's fleet and laid off (temporarily) 25,000 of it's 33,,000 workforce.

It is predicted that this could affect the airline far worse than for example 9/11 or the SARS outbreak, it took the airline industry years to fully recover from 9/11.

Thanks for that.
I am with aer lingus flying mid April to Verona no sign of it being cancelled might have to just take the hit

odyssey06 · 03-03-2020 11:08AM

Just flying a kite here...

If the government issued a do not travel alert for Italy, then travel insurance would cover people getting home but would not cover people who embark on new trips.
Might make people think twice about going - especially for skiing trips!
Could significantly reduce numbers without actually stopping flights.

Knex* · 03-03-2020 11:09AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

How does a coronavirus cough sound?

Ultrasonic. Like a bat.

gmisk · 03-03-2020 11:10AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Just flying a kite here...

If the government issued a do not travel alert for Italy, then travel insurance would cover people getting home but would not cover people who embark on new trips.
Might make people think twice about going - especially for skiing trips!
Could significantly reduce numbers without actually stopping flights.

Yes I got notification from my travel insurance saying pretty much that as well.
It would cover people who are already in Italy if a do not travel is put in place

Xertz · 03-03-2020 11:10AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

I know all that. @pc7 was asking if we are using CT scans to confirm corona.

The first case here has already tested positive by laboratory analysis and may have had a CT as well to determine if he has developed pneumonia.

China had been using CT scans as part of their protocol but that may have been because they couldn't get through the volume of swab tests.

May have had, but it’s much more likely they would diagnose pneumonia using a chest X-ray and analysis of symptoms.

I’m still not seeing what the point of a CT would be unless you wanted very detailed information.

From a clinical point of view, what would that information be for?

I would suspect in China they may have also been using a lot of testing to gather scientific information about the disease early on and how it progresses and whether it was responding to specific drugs, based on looking at CT imaginary as people were dosed with various antiviral and anti-inflammatory drugs to prevent lung damage.

All I’m saying is CT is used as necessary. It’s not a particularly good or even safe tool to use for mass screening.

If there’s a clinical need it will be used. If there isn’t, it won’t be.

It’s a useful tool but just not something you want to be rolling half the population through for no reason.

ChikiChiki · 03-03-2020 11:11AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Juventus v Milan football game going ahead tonight in Turin. Big crowd expected.

The Inter Milan chairmain is understandably very angry over the decision. It seems like Serie A will resume soon with no crowd restrictions. Clubs refused behind closed door games.

https://twitter.com/stevenzhang91_/status/1234709011397795847/photo/1

That is just farcical. Do they even want to contain the bloody thing! There's not long left in the season. It would be much cheaper for the Govt to take the hit and part compensate the clubs for loss of income. Rather than run the possibility of spreading the virus through 10s of thousands.

citysights · 03-03-2020 11:11AM

screamer wrote: »

Ah but sure it’s only a flu..... they said weeks ago that unlike flu coronavirus attacks the organs too. Time for the flu comparisons to end.

And the thing is some people don’t even care, they are putting money first.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2020 11:12AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234633516350087174

Fr_Dougal · 03-03-2020 11:13AM

GM228 wrote: »

Ryanair cancelled a quarter of Italian flights last night as has BA and many other airlines around the world.

The airline industry will also be badly hit and will no doubt use it as an excuse for cuts etc., Cathy Pacific for example has grounded more than half it's fleet and laid off (temporarily) 25,000 of it's 33,,000 workforce.

It is predicted that this could affect the airline far worse than for example 9/11 or the SARS outbreak, it took the airline industry years to fully recover from 9/11.

Ryanair cancelled mostly inter-Italian flights, very few external flights.

Other carriers like BA have cancelled EU/International flights to Italy.

Unless airlines offer a change/refund on flights, a lot of people will still travel. Especially the likes of the Italian’s who were due over for the rugby this weekend, sure why wouldn’t they? Ireland is safer than Italy at the moment.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 03-03-2020 11:15AM

Don't believe anything reported from Mainland China. The whole country is built upon lies going back as far as 1949. Truth is not a virtue in Chinese society.
China is an authoritarian dictatorship where the ruling party derives legitimacy by purporting to have delivered the chinese population from poverty.
This myth must continue to hold true in the collective Chinese mind. It is of course pushed under the carpet that the party were responsible for the destitution displayed in China until the 1980s.

Coronavirus is a huge challenge for them. A deadly disease is bad for economic growth and bad economic growth is bad for the party's hold on power. The party are responsible for this outbreak. They tried to cover it up initially but the disease was too big for them. Now they are doing absolutely everything to
change the narrative and try to restore order to China. They need people in China back to work however this hasn't happened yet. Factories are still closed. They do not have the disease under control.

Take everything coming out of China with a huge pinch of salt. They are trying to restore calm in their population so that they go back to work and don't have to face down calls for their heads.

wakka12 · 03-03-2020 11:15AM

2 more cases Portugal, 9 more Sweden, 9 more Croatia, 5 more in Belgium, first cases in Gibraltar and Ukrain.

gmisk · 03-03-2020 11:15AM

enda1 wrote: »

I fly Air France. They're not cancelling but offering free refunds if you want to cancel your trip. You'd hope the Italian lads have some insurance in that case if the match is cancelled and they no longer have a reason to travel.

Sucks if not

Ah right nope I am aer lingus.
Id say a large amount will still travel if no refunds

Gods Gift · 03-03-2020 11:16AM

Ryanair are charging extra if you bring the virus onboard.

pc7 · 03-03-2020 11:16AM

Xertz wrote: »

It’s confirmed with a simple swab test taken from your nose and a laboratory analysis.

A CT scan couldn’t confirm anything like that. It might be used if someone had lung problems and you wanted to check for lung damage, obstructions or lung cancer.

Also you don’t do CT scanning unless there’s some clinical reason for needing it. There are rather large doses of X-rays involved and really CT is only used if it’s needed.

A simple 2D chest X-Ray can easily diagnose many lung problems.

Pneumonia is also usually diagnosed from symptoms and from blood oxygen measurements.

You’re not going to see mass screening of people by CT. It’s just not necessary or a particularly good idea.

Bear in mind the X-ray doses are very much bigger:

CT scan of chest: 7 mSv
Chest X-ray : 0.1 mSv

So in general, while CT is very useful and a fantastic tool, you use it sparingly.

I'll try find it, but I'm sure one of the reports I've read (perhaps WHO report), said CT was a tool being used in China very effectively.

lainey_d_123 · 03-03-2020 11:16AM

The selfishness of people never fails to shock me.

Twitter and airline phone lines other channels full of self absorbed worrywarts asking if their flights from London to NYC in NOVEMBER are going to be affected....would you not fcking take a seat and let the people who are trying to sort out plans for the next week, with urgent needs, get through to talk to airline reps?

What goes through these people's heads? They can see families with flights to Italy tomorrow asking what to do, people who are booked to Korea next week asking if they can cancel and get a refund, and they think it's a good time to ask about their holiday to an unaffected region, months from now??

frillyleaf · 03-03-2020 11:17AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Coming up on Newstalk: an "expert in infection control" on why coronavirus should mean "you've nothing to worry about at all"

I'll have to listen to it later as I've a meeting any min but if anyone wants to fill in the context of their analysis, I'd like to hear it.

I heard it and think it’s irresponsible of media to portray this as similar to a cold or flu as this will surely downplay how important it is to contain it if it starts spreading here. It is comparable but spreads much faster and we simply don’t have the health resources to manage a big outbreaks

There is no vaccine for this so vulnerable people can’t protect themselves as easy. Personally I am not worried about catching the virus myself . My concern is for the massive amount of people that are vulnerable to catching it with compromised health. It must be very scary having a parent , child with compromised immune system when things like this happen. There is no need for people to over react of course but people should listen to guidelines and not be complacent

gmisk · 03-03-2020 11:18AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Ryanair are charging extra if you bring the virus onboard.

Does it not count as a small personal item?

SeaBreezes · 03-03-2020 11:19AM

sideswipe wrote: »

While I could possibly believe the stats from urban areas I'd imagine rural china is a different matter completely. The number of unreported cases outside the cities is the big unknown.

They thought that and tested 320,000
In hubei province with a 0.02% infected rate.

Christy42 · 03-03-2020 11:19AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

That is just farcical. Do they even want to contain the bloody thing! There's not long left in the season. It would be much cheaper for the Govt to take the hit and part compensate the clubs for loss of income. Rather than run the possibility of spreading the virus through 10s of thousands.

This bull is what we talk about what th hysteria. Can we at least have a link that the game is back on before screaming at them?

I checked news sites, inter Milan Twitter page and nothing. They seem to have gone off to a training camp. Not a match. If it is on it should be fine as no one will no about it

KiKi III · 03-03-2020 11:20AM

I was planning to go to Thailand next week, haven’t booked yet. The CDC isn’t advising people not to travel there and the price of flights is very good right now.

Could be a time for some great travel bargains.

Blueshoe · 03-03-2020 11:20AM

Any virus cases in Israel?

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP