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    #272
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    But that still refers to improvement in running economy not overall performance,


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    #273
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    From the NYTimes study
    We found that a runner wearing the most popular versions of these shoes available to the public — the Zoom Vaporfly 4% or ZoomX Vaporfly Next% — ran 4 to 5 percent faster than a runner wearing an average shoe, and 2 to 3 percent faster than runners in the next-fastest popular shoe. (There was no meaningful difference between the Vaporfly and Next% shoes when we measured their effects separately. We have combined them in our estimates.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/13/upshot/nike-vaporfly-next-percent-shoe-estimates.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage?utm_source=digg


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    #274
    Itziger
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Itziger


    What Vaporfly?

    All aboard the Adizero Pro Light Strike.....

    (Anyone want a pair of the Vaporfly? 60kms im 'em. Unique pink upper.....)


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    #275
    skyblue46
    Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Itziger wrote: »
    What Vaporfly?

    All aboard the Adizero Pro Light Strike.....

    (Anyone want a pair of the Vaporfly? 60kms im 'em. Unique pink upper.....)

    I'm conflicted now...the Brooks with a life of 100 miles are a tough purchase to contemplate. Saucony looks interesting and this Adizero is a super looking shoe. The yet to be launched NB Fuel Cell TC and RC are a beautiful shoe to look at and have had some very good reviews which definitely increase anticipation for the full race version. I presume Asics will have something to announce shortly too as their sponsored athletes have been running in prototypes...


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    #276
    shotgunmcos
    Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Ok had no interest until I saw that Adizero. Sweet looking shoe. NB next up. Options at least...


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    #277
    joe35
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭joe35


    Was at Armagh 5k last night, all athletes in the 5k seemed to be wearing next%. Great race to watch. In the 3k open race didn't notice anyone wearing them.


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    #278
    Cona
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Cona


    Really looking forward to some of the testing of Vapourflys vs Adizeros vs NB etc. This will be make or break for some of the running shoes companies, if they don’t match up to the Vaporflys, Nike will have a monopoly of things...


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    #279
    Lazare
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Cheptegei responds well it seems.


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    #280
    sideswipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Now we're talking....lightweight and comfortable!

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    #281
    Chivito550
    Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    This highlights nicely what a farce this is.

    https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1231996995339984896?s=19


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    #282
    healy1835
    Registered Users Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    This highlights nicely what a farce this is.

    https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1231996995339984896?s=19

    I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here ;)


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    #283
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

    Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day


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    #284
    Miklos
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Miklos


    healy1835 wrote: »
    I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here ;)

    Yeah where can I get one of those magic singlets?


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    #285
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    healy1835 wrote: »
    I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here ;)

    It is an interesting point. How many of the amazing gains we have seen are down to shoes not "other advances", everyone has now dismissed these gains... Regardless of the % improvement, as a product of the shoes... Opens the door for athletes to be viewed with less suspicion.


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    #286
    and still ricky villa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

    Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day

    Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course


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    #287
    OOnegative
    Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    and still ricky villa wrote: »
    Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course

    Normally a stream on Watch Athletics.


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    #288
    healy1835
    Registered Users Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭healy1835


    and still ricky villa wrote: »
    Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course

    https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/events/detail/2020-us-olympics-team-trials-marathon-atlanta/


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    #289
    Damo 2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭Damo 2k9


    Shelf price of 275$, meaning probably 300€ here.


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    #290
    Itziger
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Itziger


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

    Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day

    Aren't Alphaflys banned for Elites??


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    #291
    Damo 2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭Damo 2k9


    Sold out in minutes. Resellers going to be putting them up for mad money.


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    #292
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Damo 2k9 wrote: »
    Sold out in minutes. Resellers going to be putting them up for mad money.

    Crazy money, people with more money than sense.
    Desperate to take a couple of handy mins off the races times rather than work harder to earn it.


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    #293
    KSU
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    Itziger wrote: »
    Aren't Alphaflys banned for Elites??

    Not the new ones (the black and Green). The ones Kipchoge ran in Vienna I believe are (though that is not confirmed as they didn't release details).


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    #294
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Crazy money, people with more money than sense.
    Desperate to take a couple of handy mins off the races times rather than work harder to earn it.

    Plenty of people working hard as they can also would like a few extra %. If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line


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    #295
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    Plenty of people working hard as they can also would like a few extra %. If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line

    It does kind of move the goalposts though.
    How can you compare what you have done up to now against what you do in future once you cross over to these shoes.
    How do you measure your progress?
    You could have good runners almost sub three for years and these shoes put them over the top, was it them or the shoes...


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    #296
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

    The runners may have got them sub 3 but who cares, that's their own pb I'm sure they know the runners made a difference, the sub 3 guys will now be 2.55 or whatever, it's no different. Faster times for everyone


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    #297
    KSU
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    . If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2020/02/06/nike-threaten-assault-100m-records-release-futuristic-viperfly/


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    #298
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    KSU wrote: »
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2020/02/06/nike-threaten-assault-100m-records-release-futuristic-viperfly/

    I'll wait for the 800m ones and then I'll have to start sneaking money aside so the missus doesn't realise I'm spending 300e on spikes :)


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    #299
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    IvoryTower wrote:
    All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

    Good point actually. Never really looked at it that way.


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    #300
    Lazare
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lazare


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

    The runners may have got them sub 3 but who cares, that's their own pb I'm sure they know the runners made a difference, the sub 3 guys will now be 2.55 or whatever, it's no different. Faster times for everyone

    I'm gonna stick wearing my NB flats and am gonna wear a t-shirt with 'You can only read this cause you're wearing Alphas' printed on the back.


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    #301
    Lazare
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lazare


    I'll get a mile or two of craic out of it


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