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Next % to be banned?

justdoit

I know it's been controversial and that there has been a lot of chat about whether Nike's Next % offers an unfair advantage to wearers, but The Times reporting that it is to be banned:

'The Nike shoe used by Brigid Kosgei to obliterate Paula Radcliffe’s women’s marathon world record last year is likely to be banned when World Athletics introduces new rules on running shoes.

However, the governing body may declare a moratorium that protects the Kenyan’s mark of 2hr 14min 04sec, set in Chicago last October, which is 81 seconds faster than the previous record, set by Radcliffe in 2003.'

I don't wear the shoes, and I definitely don't often trouble the podium, but would a ban like that trickle down to an amateur being precluded from winning a race, like a local half marathon for example?

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adrian522

But that still refers to improvement in running economy not overall performance,

IvoryTower

From the NYTimes study

We found that a runner wearing the most popular versions of these shoes available to the public — the Zoom Vaporfly 4% or ZoomX Vaporfly Next% — ran 4 to 5 percent faster than a runner wearing an average shoe, and 2 to 3 percent faster than runners in the next-fastest popular shoe. (There was no meaningful difference between the Vaporfly and Next% shoes when we measured their effects separately. We have combined them in our estimates.)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/13/upshot/nike-vaporfly-next-percent-shoe-estimates.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage?utm_source=digg

Itziger

What Vaporfly?

All aboard the Adizero Pro Light Strike.....

(Anyone want a pair of the Vaporfly? 60kms im 'em. Unique pink upper.....)

skyblue46

Itziger wrote: »

What Vaporfly?

All aboard the Adizero Pro Light Strike.....

(Anyone want a pair of the Vaporfly? 60kms im 'em. Unique pink upper.....)

I'm conflicted now...the Brooks with a life of 100 miles are a tough purchase to contemplate. Saucony looks interesting and this Adizero is a super looking shoe. The yet to be launched NB Fuel Cell TC and RC are a beautiful shoe to look at and have had some very good reviews which definitely increase anticipation for the full race version. I presume Asics will have something to announce shortly too as their sponsored athletes have been running in prototypes...

shotgunmcos

Ok had no interest until I saw that Adizero. Sweet looking shoe. NB next up. Options at least...

joe35

Was at Armagh 5k last night, all athletes in the 5k seemed to be wearing next%. Great race to watch. In the 3k open race didn't notice anyone wearing them.

Cona

Really looking forward to some of the testing of Vapourflys vs Adizeros vs NB etc. This will be make or break for some of the running shoes companies, if they don’t match up to the Vaporflys, Nike will have a monopoly of things...

Lazare

Cheptegei responds well it seems.

sideswipe

Now we're talking....lightweight and comfortable!

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Chivito550

This highlights nicely what a farce this is.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1231996995339984896?s=19

healy1835

Chivito550 wrote: »

This highlights nicely what a farce this is.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1231996995339984896?s=19

I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here

mloc123

Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day

Miklos

healy1835 wrote: »

I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here

Yeah where can I get one of those magic singlets?

mloc123

healy1835 wrote: »

I think I'd be looking at more than just his change of footwear here

It is an interesting point. How many of the amazing gains we have seen are down to shoes not "other advances", everyone has now dismissed these gains... Regardless of the % improvement, as a product of the shoes... Opens the door for athletes to be viewed with less suspicion.

and still ricky villa

mloc123 wrote: »

Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day

Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course

OOnegative

and still ricky villa wrote: »

Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course

Normally a stream on Watch Athletics.

healy1835

and still ricky villa wrote: »

Kind of related but is this on the telly anywhere? Free of course

https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/events/detail/2020-us-olympics-team-trials-marathon-atlanta/

Damo 2k9

Shelf price of 275$, meaning probably 300€ here.

Itziger

mloc123 wrote: »

Nike handing out free pairs of aplhafly to anyone running in the US marathon trials this weekend.

Interesting to see how many blacked out pairs on non Nike athletes make it to the start line on the day

Aren't Alphaflys banned for Elites??

Damo 2k9

Sold out in minutes. Resellers going to be putting them up for mad money.

rovers_runner

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Sold out in minutes. Resellers going to be putting them up for mad money.

Crazy money, people with more money than sense.
Desperate to take a couple of handy mins off the races times rather than work harder to earn it.

KSU

Itziger wrote: »

Aren't Alphaflys banned for Elites??

Not the new ones (the black and Green). The ones Kipchoge ran in Vienna I believe are (though that is not confirmed as they didn't release details).

IvoryTower

rovers_runner wrote: »

Crazy money, people with more money than sense.
Desperate to take a couple of handy mins off the races times rather than work harder to earn it.

Plenty of people working hard as they can also would like a few extra %. If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line

rovers_runner

IvoryTower wrote: »

Plenty of people working hard as they can also would like a few extra %. If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line

It does kind of move the goalposts though.
How can you compare what you have done up to now against what you do in future once you cross over to these shoes.
How do you measure your progress?
You could have good runners almost sub three for years and these shoes put them over the top, was it them or the shoes...

IvoryTower

All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

The runners may have got them sub 3 but who cares, that's their own pb I'm sure they know the runners made a difference, the sub 3 guys will now be 2.55 or whatever, it's no different. Faster times for everyone

KSU

IvoryTower wrote: »

. If a pair of spikes comes out that gives me 1% I'll be first in line

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2020/02/06/nike-threaten-assault-100m-records-release-futuristic-viperfly/

IvoryTower

KSU wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2020/02/06/nike-threaten-assault-100m-records-release-futuristic-viperfly/

I'll wait for the 800m ones and then I'll have to start sneaking money aside so the missus doesn't realise I'm spending 300e on spikes

Swashbuckler

IvoryTower wrote:

All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

Good point actually. Never really looked at it that way.

Lazare

IvoryTower wrote: »

All racers will be like this soon so you just measure your progress from here on. You'll likely get one nice pb then back to the grind

The runners may have got them sub 3 but who cares, that's their own pb I'm sure they know the runners made a difference, the sub 3 guys will now be 2.55 or whatever, it's no different. Faster times for everyone

I'm gonna stick wearing my NB flats and am gonna wear a t-shirt with 'You can only read this cause you're wearing Alphas' printed on the back.

Lazare

I'll get a mile or two of craic out of it