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29-02-2020 03:45PM

Two European countries I visited last year have a great hygiene culture, where every toilet I visited was clean, had in plentiful supply soap, toilet paper, & paper towels: Latvia & Bulgaria. I’ll be interested to see rate of spread in these countries versus Ireland, where toilet hygiene is at best, patchy.

embraer170 · 29-02-2020 03:45PM

Gynoid wrote: »

It does sound like they are making a good effort. But uncovered baked goods in shops at the best of times is one of life's most perplexing mysteries for me.

Very much an Irish thing these days. I travel a fair bit and I am struggling to think of another European country where shops have fully uncovered/unprotected baked goods.

expectationlost · 29-02-2020 03:45PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/to-hell-and-back-my-three-weeks-suffering-from-coronavirus

This is a good article. Apologies if it’s been posted already. Its the first account I’ve seen from someone who had it I think

his mother and grandmother sick but not tested...?

all about the mane · 29-02-2020 03:45PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

No they just need to do their jobs. They aren't even returning calls from people who are genuinely worried about having symptoms. Maybe we could all just blow sunshine up their rear end and hope they can handle this.

They are doing their jobs.

Boggles · 29-02-2020 03:45PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Norway: government expects up to 25% of the population to get infected. Preparing the health services.

No they don't.

They are preparing for what they think will be the absolute worst case scenario.

Today it's been reported that Norway's Directorate of Health has plans in place that would cover a scenario whereby up to 25% of Norway's population became infected.

In this scenario, other hospital treatment would have to be postponed to enable hundreds of thousands of additional patients to be treated. The Director emphasizes that this is an “if” situation, and that effective measures are now in place to avoid getting into such a situation.

wakka12 · 29-02-2020 03:45PM

embraer170 wrote: »

So what are the different European countries actually doing:

France: banning all gatherings of 5000+ people;
Germany: one affected town under quarantine (in NRW), cancellation of major trade fairs (ITB Berlin);
Ireland: messages by various officials (news, interviews, LLS) to reassure the public;
Italy: a number of affected towns under quarantine, accusations by some that it is damaging the country's reputation as a tourist destination;
Spain: some major trade fairs cancelled;
Switzerland: banning all gatherings/events of 1000+ people, recommending smaller gatherings to be cancelled;
Norway: government expects up to 25% of the population to get infected. Preparing the health services.
UK: Cabinet crisis meeting on Monday

Switzerland has closed all schools

Rob A. Bank · 29-02-2020 03:46PM

embraer170 wrote: »

So what are the different European countries actually doing:

France: banning all gatherings of 5000+ people;
Germany: one affected town under quarantine (in NRW), cancellation of major trade fairs (ITB Berlin);
Ireland: messages by various officials (news, interviews, LLS) to reassure the public;
Italy: a number of affected towns under quarantine, accusations by some that it is damaging the country's reputation as a tourist destination;
Spain: some major trade fairs cancelled;
Switzerland: banning all gatherings/events of 1000+ people, recommending smaller gatherings to be cancelled;
Norway: government expects up to 25% of the population to get infected. Preparing the health services.
UK: Cabinet crisis meeting on Monday

It's pathetic, when you consider what the Chinese had to do to limit the spread.

And they had practically no warning of what was coming... our governments have had 2 months warning !

otnomart · 29-02-2020 03:47PM

Germany cases:
https://twitter.com/TwelveAmanda/status/1233762799303700482

all about the mane · 29-02-2020 03:48PM

micar wrote: »

My company is the complete opposite.

Office in Milan has closed....everyone working from home.

Any travel between offices has be approved by HR.

Encouraging meetings with off site people to be held on Skype.

Those who co locate in differing office have to choose o e for the foreseeable future.

Those with laptops are being asked to take them home everyday.

I think it really depends on what the company can afford to do. Risk assessments are being made and actions taken on the strength of these.

embraer170 · 29-02-2020 03:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Switzerland has closed all schools

Do you have a source for that? You are the second person to have mentioned it and I cannot find a reference in the Swiss media.

29-02-2020 03:49PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Seriously :eek: The mocker gods will surely see this:pac:

Well Joe Duffy said at one point on Liveline that as we are an island we can’t get the virus, hence the current thread title.

SwordsRunner · 29-02-2020 03:50PM

otnomart wrote: »

Germany cases:
https://twitter.com/TwelveAmanda/status/1233762799303700482

Thanks for this. Due to go to Frankfurt/Stuttgart next weekend. Hard to call. Don’t want to end up stranded over there.

all about the mane · 29-02-2020 03:50PM

Boggles wrote: »

No they don't.

They are preparing for what they think will be the absolute worst case scenario.

Stop bringing pesky facts into this thread!

Titclamp · 29-02-2020 03:50PM

I heard you've a high chance of getting the virus from having sex with a bat?

29-02-2020 03:51PM

SwordsRunner wrote: »

Thanks for this. Due to go to Frankfurt/Stuttgart next weekend. Hard to call. Don’t want to end up stranded over there.

The food would be a bit hard to take for over two weeks

embraer170 · 29-02-2020 03:52PM

otnomart wrote: »

Germany cases:
https://twitter.com/TwelveAmanda/status/1233762799303700482

I understand that German medical data protection law makes reporting on cases more difficult than elsewhere.

Even with that, I was surprised to see more transparent coverage of some of the early German cases than the case of the person who landed in Dublin and travelled on to Belfast.

CFlat · 29-02-2020 03:52PM

Titclamp wrote: »

I heard you've a high chance of getting the virus from having sex with a bat?

A baseball or a cricket one?

tillyfilly · 29-02-2020 03:54PM

Titclamp wrote: »

I heard you've a high chance of getting the virus from having sex with a bat?

i read the opposite
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/opinion/coronavirus-china.html

fr336 · 29-02-2020 03:54PM

Another three cases in UK. Total 23.

embraer170 · 29-02-2020 03:54PM

List updated to fix some inaccuracies (Norway, France).

France: banning all indoor gatherings of 5000+ people;
Germany: one affected town under quarantine (in NRW), cancellation of major trade fairs (ITB Berlin);
Ireland: messages by various officials (news, interviews, LLS) to reassure the public;
Italy: a number of affected towns under quarantine, accusations by some that it is damaging the country's reputation as a tourist destination;
Spain: some major trade fairs cancelled;
Switzerland: banning all gatherings/events of 1000+ people, recommending smaller gatherings to be cancelled;
Norway: government health directorate preparing for a possible worst case scenario where up to 25% of the population could get infected. Preparing the health services.
UK: Cabinet crisis meeting on Monday

Boggles wrote: »

No they don't.

They are preparing for what they think will be the absolute worst case scenario.

Thanks. I have updated the list.

Professor Moriarty · 29-02-2020 03:55PM

Titclamp wrote: »

I heard you've a high chance of getting the virus from having sex with a bat?

You'll be fine if it's dead.

BorneTobyWilde · 29-02-2020 03:55PM

https://streamable.com/d443m

Super Spreader

lainey_d_123 · 29-02-2020 03:55PM

Gynoid wrote: »

It does sound like they are making a good effort. But uncovered baked goods in shops at the best of times is one of life's most perplexing mysteries for me.

Exactly. Add to that the prevalence of touch screens everywhere, which are almost never disinfected. My friend went to the doctor's in London last week and was told to use a touch screen to check in for her appointment. So there's a global coronavirus pandemic, all this advice about hand gels, masks and staying at home when possible, and someone just trying to see their GP to get some medication is forced to touch a screen touched by God knows how many people with God knows what germs and viruses on their fingers?

It's just baffling, honestly.

Beanybabog · 29-02-2020 03:55PM

perrito caliente wrote: »

Is this business with the hand sanitizers running out a joke? Honestly can't tell.

I don’t think so. I haven’t ventured out but a friend just told me our local pharmacist said she was the first one not to ask for hand sanitiser and masks (and no, he has none left).

Wibbs · 29-02-2020 03:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

No they don't.

They are preparing for what they think will be the absolute worst case scenario.

Feck me B, we agree. I must be coming down with something.

Drumpot · 29-02-2020 03:56PM

I find videos from below good. It’s from Medcram which looks like a learning resource sharing site for medical professions in USA.

https://curious.com/medcram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quDYb_x54DM

If you like stats and figures this is a good video. Also some good general tips and advice at end. Below is my interpretation of what he said so watch it yourself and draw your own conclusions if you like.

Early detection appears to be very important for recovery. All “reported“ non critical Patients have survived thus far. He explains what non critical means. Critical patients 50/50 (5%) chance of surviving.

Methods of testing around the world not ideal or completely accurate but there are two potential positives. One is that there has supposedly been a better method invented that may be available soon. Two it also means that a lot of people who have the virus are not diagnosed , while that’s bad in itself, more people potentially infected through bad testing or no testing means that the death and critical rates are potentially far lower.

Put simple, if you know there are 150 people infected, 23 serious and 4 die, the percentages look pretty worrying. If 85% of people (low symptoms) are not being recorded in our 150 tested, it means that the death rate is 4 in 1000 , but we have only tested 150.

I want to stress this is my uneducated guesswork so as always don’t take a random stranger on the internets word for it!

SwordsRunner · 29-02-2020 03:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The food would be a bit hard to take for over two weeks

Well I shop in Aldi anyway so it’ll be grand.

fr336 · 29-02-2020 03:57PM

It's really odd. In winters of 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 I picked up bad doses at work. In fact I think on both occasions it came again later on in the season. For 2019-2020 I've been absolutely fine so far, nothing. Scratching my head to see if I've been doing anything different this year in hygeine etc but I was always mega cautious anyway. Could be less stress I suppose. Sorry off topic thinking aloud

FishOnABike · 29-02-2020 03:59PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Apparently, insurance won't pay out unless the DFA has advised people not to travel to an area.

It needs more reason than that. DFA would need to prohibit travel to an area for insurance to pay out.

29-02-2020 04:00PM

The level of hygiene in Ireland isn’t always the best. The worst example I saw was one Christmas time in a pub in Walkinstown, Dublin, where one of the servers, on her way from kitchen to patron, stopped by the ladies toilet for nature’s call. She deftly supported with one hand a small round tray of cup of coffee and sandwiches, entered the cubicle, did her business, and emerged with tray still balanced on top of hand.l, then without visit to sink went out and placed food in patron’s table. I’m not joking, this really did happen, albeit about 13 years ago.

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