Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

odyssey06 · 29-02-2020 02:46PM

scamalert wrote: »

im talking actual stats - numbers just not adding up, yes few died in other countries, but by the looks of it if its that bad china would have deaths in millions, as 3k wordwide is grain of sand, given how populated the wutan city was its like 14 people to single person in Dublin in way smaller space, and given migration it should be everywhere there but it aint. And yes all the crap how china hides everything etc, but with social media these days, youd see proper outcomes if it was worse, but atm it seems more like staged or whatever made up ****e being posted daily, that only paranoid one like to pick.

China redeployed 40000 medical staff to Hubei\Wuhan.
They increased the hospital capacity there by thousands in weeks at least temporarily.
They locked down Wuhan, only one family member leaving the house every 2 days - screening on entering supermarkets.
Schools, factories, businesses shut down.
Public and then private transport were shut down.

What would the multiplier effect on deaths be if it takes hold in a city where they can't do all of the above e.g. Dublin?
Could we redeploy hunderds of medical staff?

That's why the WHO have this on their highest alert setting.
That's why multiple major countries US, Russia, Japan, France, Italy are treating this waay more seriously than 3000 deaths would suggest.
It's not paranoia when it's a scenario that can occur.

Musefan · 29-02-2020 02:48PM

Great precautions being taken in a SuperValu I just visited. Disinfectant wipes being provided at the coffee station, covers over all the baked goods, hand sanitizers at all the self service checkouts

iguana · 29-02-2020 02:49PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

China redeployed 40000 medical staff to Hubei.

You can also 'glass half full' that news. They wouldn't redeploy that many medical staff into Hubei if they felt they were going to need them elsewhere in China.

Professor Moriarty · 29-02-2020 02:49PM

tara73 wrote: »

I think this is a good point for all here who ask for positive news...:D no, seriously, it is like that, viruses don't want to kill their hosts because they aim to survive too (with the host). afaik that's why they mutate and mostly loosing their severity with time.

that's also why it's important to gain time in spreading.

A WHO team returned from China last week and said that the Chinese Coronavirus epidemic peaked and plateaued end January and has begun to decline.

zig · 29-02-2020 02:49PM

scamalert wrote: »

some people cant live their lives and need paranoia it seems or are natural at that, like crap with anti waxxer morons, if this has higher rater mortality of flu i can live with that, its here already more or less, few wans saying they will prepare makes me laugh, if it spreads will be more of natural selection.

but back to reality, the actual numbers are barely above 3 thousand dead world wide, if it was as bad as some make it to be, that number should have few more zeros, yet as time goes it seems slowed down.

theres prob more each day dying in china from air pollution and crap conditions and likes of Iran getting couple drone strikes wipes out more in a day, then this crap so far did in month or two.

Today alone probably approx 3000 people have died in car crashes.

29-02-2020 02:53PM

Cormac Ó h-eadhra featuring Covid-19 at moment. Doctor from Mater Hospital advises contacting GP for diagnosis in case it’s some other condition altogether. He says there’s no clear pathway of diagnosis, no consensus on what should be done. National Plan is still in development. Woman doctor guest doesn’t know who is responsible for testing. Not decided yet. We don’t have cases. We are in containment phase. No reason to scale this up. Mater doctor indicates we don’t have a blueprint yet. Cormac says GPs say don’t call us. Woman guest says school trips may need to be cancelled. Mater doctor says other countries haven’t cancelled spirting events, it’s premature to do so. Another guest in tourism says we need to be prudent but proportionate. Containment abroad is working.

froog · 29-02-2020 02:53PM

imho we are still not taking this seriously. we NEED to stop all incoming flights from heavily affected areas and ban all public gatherings. we NEED repeated TV and radio ads drilling home the hand washing and isolation guidance. we NEED large temporary spaces with beds, no they won't be ideal hospital beds, but at least a place for affected to go and get whatever healthcare our stretched system can manage. whether that's converting large town halls, stadium etc

i mean there's still a good portion of my work who think this is the same as swine flu. no i dont want mass panic but we need to be prepared and we are not.

Hego Damask · 29-02-2020 02:54PM

Have the media been told to pipe down on this ?
Also this thread is no longer on "trending" on front page - I find that hard to believe

Charles Babbage · 29-02-2020 02:54PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Many people who died of the Spansih Flu would not have died if vaccines and antibiotics had existed. Similar to the Coronavirus, the high mortality rate would have been because of preexisting health problems. Healthy people are much more likely to survive. Which is why vaccines and antibiotics are so important.

Vaccines existed before 1918, but one could not be developed quickly with the medical technology of the time. Probably one can be developed more quickly now, but not quickly enough. Antibiotics would have saved many. The "Spanish" flu killed many young people by triggering an excessive immune system response. But there were health problems pre-existing then which are less common today.

Musefan wrote: »

Great precautions being taken in a SuperValu I just visited. Disinfectant wipes being provided at the coffee station, covers over all the baked goods, hand sanitizers at all the self service checkouts

Great to see it. This kind of this is a real help, as places like SIngapore have shown, but are not very disruptive.

odyssey06 · 29-02-2020 02:55PM

iguana wrote: »

You can also 'glass half full' that news. They wouldn't redeploy that many medical staff into Hubei if they felt they were going to need them elsewhere in China.

True, but could they only do that because they had a ring of steel around one of their own provinces to stop it spreading to the rest of China?

Loafing Oaf · 29-02-2020 02:56PM

blade1 wrote: »

Back from my local Lidl and they had no hand gel or gloves.
Not to leave in a state of total desperation, I decided to arm myself with a load of crisps, chocolate, biscuits and coke for the upcoming self containment.

So you'll make it through the apocalypse but your teeth won't!:P

mloc123 · 29-02-2020 02:56PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Have the media been told to pipe down on this ?
Also this thread is no longer on "trending" on front page - I find that hard to believe

Soros must be funding a campaign now to keep it quiet... All part of his master plan

Call Me Jimmy · 29-02-2020 02:57PM

South Korea tells the whole country to stay indoors this weekend.

Sky News wrote:

"Please stay at home and refrain from going outside and minimise contact with other people," said vice health minister Kim Kang-lip.

WHO's director-general Tedros Adhanom warned on Friday that that it would be a "big mistake" to switch from a public health strategy of containment to mitigation - where authorities accept the coronavirus is spreading.

The United Nations chief, Antonio Guterres, also urged governments to "do everything possible".

"We know containment is possible, but the window of opportunity is narrowing," he told reporters in New York.

I don't know how many repeats European leaders need to see before they actually lead.

Professor Moriarty · 29-02-2020 02:58PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Vaccines existed before 1918, but one could not be developed quickly with the medical technology of the time. Probably one can be developed more quickly now, but not quickly enough. Antibiotics would have saved many. The "Spanish" flu killed many young people by triggering an excessive immune system response. But there were health problems pre-existing then which are less common today.

Best guess presently is that a vaccine might exist by the end of this year. The story of how vaccines were invented (Jenner) is very interesting. Worth checking out if people haven't read it.

29-02-2020 02:59PM

iguana wrote: »

Sore throat and sinus issues are usually a sign of an upper respiratory tract infection or an allergy. Covid-19 is most probably a lower respiratory tract infection. So while people with Covid-19 can have a sore throat and blocked/runny sinuses, they aren't likely to be the first symptoms.

Apparently only 4% get a runny nose and that’s usually after rather than before the aches, fever z as d. Pugh.

Rob A. Bank · 29-02-2020 03:00PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Many people who died of the Spansih Flu would not have died if vaccines and antibiotics had existed. Similar to the Coronavirus, the high mortality rate would have been because of preexisting health problems. Healthy people are much more likely to survive. Which is why vaccines and antibiotics are so important.

Agreed... but the Spanish Flu mostly killed young adults and a strong immune system was a disadvantage. The figures for pregnant women were absolutely terrible. Modern analysis has shown the (1918) virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system), which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.

Thankfully coronavirus seems to be behaving differently sparing the young.

Trouble is we are perhaps 12 to 18 months away from a useful Convid 19 coronavirus vaccine.

The Chinese are trying all kinds of treatments at present but it is too early to expect definitive results on what works best.

That is one of the reasons for trying to delay the spread as much as possible.

Loafing Oaf · 29-02-2020 03:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mater doctor says other countries haven’t cancelled spirting events, it’s premature to do so. Another guest in tourism says we need to be prudent but proportionate. Containment abroad is working.

Let's revisit the numbers in France and Germany in a week's time to see if "containment is working"...

bb12 · 29-02-2020 03:02PM

my company's owners and management think it's all a big joke. they let a work colleague who had been to milan on a business trip last week happily walk all around the office areas amongst pregnant women and others who have immuno suppressed relatives without a care in the world.

Mwengwe · 29-02-2020 03:03PM

bb12 wrote: »

my company's owners and management think it's all a big joke. they let a work colleague who had been to milan on a business trip last week happily walk all around the office areas amongst pregnant women and others who have immuno suppressed relatives without a care in the world.

What can they really do about that? It's up to the guy himself to have some sense and stay at home or ask to work from home.

circadian · 29-02-2020 03:05PM

zig wrote: »

Today alone probably approx 3000 people have died in car crashes.

The problem with type of thinking is that if the health services are overwhelmed by an outbreak then the usual car crash or other serious events needing treatment are at higher risk of being unsuccessful.

So while some people have been killed or had serious car accidents. There is capacity for this. An outbreak changes this.

People are saying it's here already, sure its not that bad etc. I don't disagree. For the majority it won't be that bad but stocking up, reducing contact and trying to reduce and slow spread is important as it allows those at risk a higher chance of survival rather than freely allowing an outbreak. I don't think many people are freakiling out, they're being pragmatic in planning for the worst and hoping for the best.

all about the mane · 29-02-2020 03:05PM

bb12 wrote: »

my company's owners and management think it's all a big joke. they let a work colleague who had been to milan on a business trip last week happily walk all around the office areas amongst pregnant women and others who have immuno suppressed relatives without a care in the world.

Our company are taking serious action. Some in self isolation, cancelled work trips, reduced vendor access to site etc etc

dan786 · 29-02-2020 03:06PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233754675897303046?s=20

Knex* · 29-02-2020 03:07PM

Woman in directly in front of me for my flight to London this morning coughed every fabric of her soul out during the flight.

I know who to blame if I get chesty in about ten days time. She seemed oblivious to even covering her mouth, so that was super comforting.

Mad how paranoid this makes ya. A few weeks ago I'd have barely batted an eye lid.

lawred2 · 29-02-2020 03:08PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Let's revisit the numbers in France and Germany in a week's time to see if "containment is working"...

Ok.. what do you suggest?

Jin luk · 29-02-2020 03:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 29 February 2020

A slight dip in the number of daily cases being reported in Europe today.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Its 2/3 o clock in the day for most of europe still a good few hours to go yet

fr336 · 29-02-2020 03:08PM

We heard a lot in the early days of this about how your risk of contracting this was a lot lower for interactions of less than 15 minutes, hence it easily spreading to family members. But I haven't heard this for a good while is it incorrect info?

BanditLuke · 29-02-2020 03:09PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Have the media been told to pipe down on this ?
Also this thread is no longer on "trending" on front page - I find that hard to believe

Don't think it's any kind of conspiracy tbh people are incredibly stupid and have a tiny attention span only thing is this isn't a story that will go away like a nutter stabbing people on some bridge in London. This WILL get a lot worse im afraid and all the positive spin the HSE are trying to get out will mean nothing when ther are lines of people outside the hospitals looking for treatment.

all about the mane · 29-02-2020 03:09PM

Knex. wrote: »

Woman in directly in front of me for my flight to London this morning coughed every fabric of her soul out during the flight.

I know who to blame if I get chesty in about ten days time. She seemed oblivious to even covering her mouth, so that was super comforting.

Mad how paranoid this makes ya. A few weeks ago I'd have barely batted an eye lid.

So are you going to self-isolate?

wakka12 · 29-02-2020 03:09PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233751554223636480

odyssey06 · 29-02-2020 03:10PM

zig wrote: »

Today alone probably approx 3000 people have died in car crashes.

Do you get all the ways an infectious disease is different to a car crash?
Obviously not if you're posting this irrelevant nonsense.

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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