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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #5582
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Can everyone stop quoting the flier please it's a waste of space, thanks.

    Do you honestly believe this new coronavirus will kill more people than the flu in 2020? Simple question. Hand on heart now, I am truly curious.


  • #5583
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,029 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

    Leave Ozzy alone.


  • #5584
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes. There are many varieties of Corona virus. Many are spread from animals to humans. This one no different.

    Do you have an alternative theory?

    Then why can't China be sued for causing this?

    Why should the world suffer cause of people munching on bats


  • #5585
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Leave Ozzy alone.

    He didn't swallow - just sayin'


  • #5586
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Leave Ozzy alone.

    Great example hahaha :)


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  • #5587
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    All the flights at John Lennon Airport have been grounded.

    Imagine all the people.


  • #5588
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Managing risk is one of the most misunderstood concepts not just in corporate governance but also in everyday life.

    For a start, managing risk does not mean eliminating risk. Secondly, the effort involved and the cost of mitigation must be measured against the likelihood and severity of an adverse outcome. Thirdly, the balance of risks must also be considered.

    In this situation, imagine if you devote the entirety of the State's blood testing and CT testing resources to checking widely whether anyone has coronavirus. If you do, you can be 100% certain that people will die in our hospitals from other conditions because there are no testing resources available. That could well be more than the total number of people who ever die in Ireland from coronavirus. If you don't there is the possibility that you might miss someone who might sometime have come in contact with the corona virus.

    Those are the choices that the experts have to make. They know the capacity of the testing systems. They know the course of this disease. They know how many people will die because testing systems are devoted to the corona virus instead of something else. They then have to weigh all of this up and come to the correct decision in managing all of the risks.

    Well right now they have no idea if we have any cases in the country and they've said they're going to dramatically ramp up testing, which suggests they got the balance wrong.


  • #5589
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Got the second one alright and eventually found the other. Thanks. Doesn’t inspire confidence in their chain considering their choice of comparisons


  • #5590
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

    At this stage I dont think we will ever know for sure. Could have just been a person that got bit / scratched by a bat or other infected animal.

    Heck, Patient Zero ebola outbreak a few years ago was just a child who was playing near a tree with bats in it.


  • #5591
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Paandemic, got that paandemic

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • #5592
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭celt262


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe this new coronavirus will kill more people than the flu in 2020? Simple question. Hand on heart now, I am truly curious.

    The Flu is normally a winter thing we don't know enough about the coronavirus If it is still around in 8 or 10 months i'd say there is a good chance that it will.


  • #5593
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Well right now they have no idea if we have any cases in the country and they've said they're going to dramatically ramp up testing, which suggests they got the balance wrong.

    Right now they have just got the first confirmation that a confirmed case travelled through Ireland, which changes the balance of the risks and which justified increasing testing.

    Most people don't understand risk management.


  • #5594
    PhantomHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭PhantomHat


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?
    No not really. It's just a convenient story IMO. Its very likely it was an accidental escape from the Wuhan Virus Lab. Allegedly some of the original sick individuals had no ties with the wet market in question. Obviously China will not divulge any more information than it has too. It's a very guarded totalitarian communist regime. After all and above all else it has an economy which it wants to protect


  • #5595
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Then why can't China be sued for causing this?

    Why should the world suffer cause of people munching on bats

    International law doesn't provide for it. Simple as.


  • #5596
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Just highlighting this so we can come back to it in a few weeks and laugh.

    It's not that outlandish at all. The global economy is at the end of an unprecedented run of growth, something like this will likely be the trigger for the next collapse. Whether or not it's this remains to be seen but we are going through the worst week on the stock markets since October 2008. Add the fact the major central banks have been printing money and had quantitative easing in place for the past decade then it's a recipe for disaster.

    Anywaay back to the virus - I see france and Spain are popping up with new cases in new regions every few hours. I'd expect them to look like Italy does now by the end of the weekend/early next week.

    Also bats carry lots of coronaviruses so I wouldn't think that's an unlikely source^


  • #5597
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Great example hahaha :)

    Titclamp, where do you think it started?


  • #5598
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    PhantomHat wrote: »
    No not really. It's just a convenient story IMO. Its very likely it was an accidental escape from the Wuhan Virus Lab. Allegedly some of the original sick individuals had no ties with the wet market in question. Obviously China will not divulge any more information than it has too. It's a very guarded totalitarian communist regime. After all and above all else it has an economy which it wants to protect

    'TinfoilHat' user name already taken ?


  • #5599
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Right now they have just got the first confirmation that a confirmed case travelled through Ireland, which changes the balance of the risks and which justified increasing testing.

    Most people don't understand risk management.

    They stated they were going to ramp up prior to that NI case being discovered.

    I don't pretend to be an expert on risk management, but if we're doing far fewer tests than other countries on a per capita basis, then it suggests that we are erring on the side of risky.


  • #5600
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

    clown-eating bats?

    clown-eating bats?


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  • #5601
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    blanch152 wrote: »
    International law doesn't provide for it. Simple as.

    Its a feature of Communism to cover up situations like this until they get out of control. The globe should start decoupling from China until they get rid of their system.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #5602
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,806 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes. There are many varieties of Corona virus. Many are spread from animals to humans. This one no different.

    Do you have an alternative theory?
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  • #5603
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Then why can't China be sued for causing this?

    Why should the world suffer cause of people munching on bats

    Of course they can be sued, any no win no fee solicitors will happily take the case


  • #5604
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    PhantomHat wrote: »
    No not really. It's just a convenient story IMO. Its very likely it was an accidental escape from the Wuhan Virus Lab. Allegedly some of the original sick individuals had no ties with the wet market in question. Obviously China will not divulge any more information than it has too. It's a very guarded totalitarian communist regime. After all and above all else it has an economy which it wants to protect

    I don't know why people aren't more outraged by these wet markets or whatever if its the cause.
    Not even brought into the argument.
    What was even sold at that wet market even?
    I understand they didn't want any international assistance either?


  • #5605
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

    It most probably came from Chinese Horseshoe Bats
    The researchers then constructed the whole genomic sequence of the new virus—now known as COVID-19—and found that its genome sequence is 79 percent similar to the SARS-CoV, about 51.8 percent similar to the MERS-CoV, and about 87.6-87.7 percent similar to other SARS-like CoVs from Chinese horseshoe bats (called ZC45 and ZXC21). These findings clearly suggest that the virus originated from bats.

    https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/02/topnews/china-coronavirus-covid-19-study/


  • #5606
    lobbylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭lobbylad


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    G. D. P. R.

    Not saying its the case in this instance, but "legitimate interest" trumps consent.

    (as an example, try ringing the revenue and asking them to remove you from their systems as you don't give consent.......)


  • #5607
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    silverharp wrote: »
    Its a feature of Communism to cover up situations like this until they get out of control. The globe should start decoupling from China until they get rid of their system.

    My parish is way ahead of you, we've started decoupling from Cork


  • #5608
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Peatys wrote: »
    Titclamp, where do you think it started?

    Who the **** knows.

    And its not likely we'll ever know.

    Its been too much of a **** up for any accountability to be made.


  • #5609
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    gabeeg wrote: »
    They stated they were going to ramp up prior to that NI case being discovered.

    I don't pretend to be an expert on risk management, but if we're doing far fewer tests than other countries on a per capita basis, then it suggests that we are erring on the side of risky.

    Not necessarily. Other countries ramped up the number of tests based on the number of cases and the risk involved. We are doing the same.

    Only two days ago, we had posters on here ranting and raving about UK schools shutting down after Italian ski trips while all we did was advise pupils to stay at home if they have symptoms. Well what happened? After a few hours it turned out that the UK NHS advice was the same as ours and that the schools in the UK had overreacted.

    Did the panic merchants on here come back and apologise?


  • #5610
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    silverharp wrote: »
    Its a feature of Communism to cover up situations like this until they get out of control. The globe should start decoupling from China until they get rid of their system.

    China is communist in name only.


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  • #5611
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    seamus wrote: »
    I'd take that 14% claim with a ladle of salt tbh.

    It's not just a few weeks though if we're being realistic. If, in an effort to maintain containment, we were to shut down all ports and airports, it would be something we'd have to keep up for months, if not years. The infections travels from individual to individual with up to two weeks between presentation. Like a really slow-burning fire.

    If we were to just shut down travel from affected areas, then at best we would slow it down. Someone who finds they can't get a flight home from Northern Italy, won't stay there. They'll just get a train to Austria and fly home. Likewise someone coming from China may find a series of intermediate hops that allows them to get home.

    Unless all outbound travel from affected areas is shut down, then it is impossible to prevent the spread of the infection.

    All we can do at this point is expect infection and conduct ourselves appropirately, It's already here - viruses don't obey imaginary lines in the landscape between countries. Northern Ireland has a case, which means we have a case.

    That's completely logical. Though ,have you seen the press conference with the WHO Dr who was in Wuhan? It's a Catch-22.

    South Korea are who everyone should be following because I believe they've tried to maintain that they will not do major lockdowns, I think - especially after hearing the Dr who inspected Wuhan - they will have no choice. That's not saying I think we should shut down and that it will solve it but people seem to be glossing over the facts and not realising what this did to the health infrastructure in China due to sheer numbers.

    The main issue is spread because so many people require hospital treatment it doesn't matter if the death rate is as low or lower than it's tracking at the moment. Of course that would go up when a health system is overwhelmed like in Wuhan. And the only way they allegedly stopped it was the measures ye're talking about being almost impossible for us to do. So hopefully you're right, if in 3 weeks time South Korea's health system is managing I will agree with you.


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