Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

FishOnABike · 26-02-2020 10:31AM

CBear1993 wrote: »

Would governments pay for that? Or if it got to a worst case scenario, and people were literally dying in millions, would pharmaceutical companies charge individual people for the vaccine?

I.e a whoever can afford to live scenario.
I know they’re rotten but could they do that or does the WHO have any power over them

I would think it would have to be government driven + funded, much like childhood vaccinations.

Vaccination works in two ways
1. reducing an individuals susceptability,
2. herd immunity.
Both contribute to control, reduce and finally eliminate a virus. Without a high vaccination rate the virus will remain actively spreading in a population. e.g. WHO has a target measles vaccination rate of 95% to eliminate measles. I'd expect CoViD-19 to need a similar vaccination rate to eliminate it. I couldn't see it meeting required vaccination rate to bring it under effective control unless it was government driven and funded and possibly mandatory (with exceptions on medical grounds).

big syke · 26-02-2020 10:40AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Even if the virus does enter into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will WASH them down through your oesophagus and into the stomach.
Once there , your stomach ACID’s will kill all the virus.
If you don't drink enough water more regularly...the virus can enter your windpipes and into the LUNGS.
That's very dangerous.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Sweet.Science · 26-02-2020 10:41AM

Runaways wrote: »

It’s posts like that which prove people are really dumb and believe everything they read on Facebook (the one above yours ludo, sorry)

Thanks for clearing that up. I nearly fainted holding my breath

facehugger99 · 26-02-2020 10:45AM

They'll be an on-thread orgasm when the first Irish case is confirmed from the panic-merchants fervidly pressing f5.

MD1990 · 26-02-2020 10:45AM

Things are imporoving in China at least.

Have spare hospital beds in Wuhan according to Bruce Aylward & number of cases is reducing.

The quicker countries go into lockdown the better

DrumSteve · 26-02-2020 10:45AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Some good news, i think.

Yesterday at this time:

Coronavirus Cases:
79,729
Deaths:
2,627
Recovered:
25,279

Today:
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,842

619 new cases
80 new deaths
2563 Recovered

Recovery rate seems to be improving.

Of the 49799 open cases, 9215 are noted as serious,40584 noted as mild.

So todays figures:

Coronavirus Cases:
81,178
Deaths:
2,766
Recovered:
30,278

Based on the above, looking at over the last 2 days (worldwide):

1449 Cases
139 Deaths
4999 Recovered.

So the fatality rate over all is hovering around 8% at the moment, should drop further based on the above indicators (i.e more people getting infected and recovering).

China (if you believe them, since they reclassified how they caoallate this information) have also seen there severe cases drop below 9k.

Active cases also dropping overall based on the above figures.

josip · 26-02-2020 10:47AM

wadacrack wrote: »

The new NCP coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days then how can one know if he/ she is infected ?
Latest information is that the incubation period may be upto 28 days before the symptoms of COVID 19 are evident.

By the time a person has fever and/or cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs are usually 50 % Fibrosis and it's too late !

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning ;

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.
If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness , etc , it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection.

In critical times, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air!

SERIOUS EXCELLENT ADVICE by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases. Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist, never DRY.
Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least.
WHY ?
Even if the virus does enter into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will WASH them down through your oesophagus and into the stomach.
Once there , your stomach ACID’s will kill all the virus.
If you don't drink enough water more regularly...the virus can enter your windpipes and into the LUNGS.
That's very dangerous.

Loafing Oaf · 26-02-2020 10:51AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Things are imporoving in China at least.

Have spare hospital beds in Wuhan according to Bruce Aylward & number of cases is reducing.

Can we trust those reports though?

DrumSteve · 26-02-2020 10:52AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Can we trust those reports though?

No need for hospital beds when people are getting welded into their apartments I guess.

silverharp · 26-02-2020 10:55AM

Anything on the that German man in his late 40’s , did he have a prior condition? Is he seriously ill?

Thisonedone · 26-02-2020 10:56AM

It’s criminal that Varadkar and Harris have not banned flights from infected regions, they will be responsible for the deaths of dozens of Irish people

26-02-2020 10:57AM

Morning

I decided to give up Covid19 for lent. Gonna gorge on the stuff on Easter Sunday though.

gozunda · 26-02-2020 10:58AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Doctor from the WHO has just been on BBC Breakfast and said that the only people that should be using face masks are those who have a transmittable infection to stop them from transmitting it.
She also said that once your mask gets wet from your breath it is useless so you need to change your mask multiple times during the day.
Seemed like a very sensible woman to be honest.

The problem with that - is that people in many cases will not do that.

Current advice from CDC and John Hopkins etc is to use facemasks when in close contact with someone who is infected.

Problem is in areas such as public transport where many people are in close contact - there is no way of knowing who may or may not be infected.

Importantly it also depends on the type of facemask used. Surgical type masks practically useless - N95 some protection. The surgical type masks are also prone to getting wet from breathing (and needing changes regularly) compared to N95 respirator type masks.

I'm sure the person is a very 'sensible woman'- however imo the logic of what is being advised by some is questionable at best.

Rob A. Bank · 26-02-2020 10:59AM

The cynic in me feels that the health of cattle is more important than human health for the powers that be and the IRFU… when you contrast what is happening now with what happened during the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001.

And all this was put in place over 3 weeks BEFORE the first case was identified here !

“The impact on social and cultural events of the announcement on the 19 February of the British outbreak was almost immediate. The IRFU cancelled the Wales-Ireland rugby match, the Irish Kennel Club cancelled working farmdog classes in the St Patrick's Day dog show, while Dublin Zoo was closed. On the 28 February, a request was made that various sporting, cultural and other activities be postponed. Added to this, people were discouraged from visiting Ireland because of negative publicity and because of direct pleas from both the British and Irish governments to restrict movement between the two countries.”

https://www.tcd.ie/Economics/TEP/2002_papers/TEPNo8RT22.pdf

UsBus · 26-02-2020 11:00AM

What about the guy in Galway who was contacted by his GP asking him to self isolate..? Think they were saying the person who could have passed it on in a shop had just come back from Tenerife and had the same GP....

Loafing Oaf · 26-02-2020 11:00AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

No need for hospital beds when people are getting welded into their apartments I guess.

I'd take it as a positive sign if the spread can be halted/slowed by lockdown measures, even pretty extreme ones.

I rarely leave the house anyway so if I can get away with fortnightly visits to Tesco wearing a mask and gloves I should make it through.:p

26-02-2020 11:01AM

I’m taking some comfort from this article about my upcoming trip to Namibia. They are taking it extremely seriously in that sparsely populated country:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-china-namibia-business-12439698

Kivaro · 26-02-2020 11:02AM

I just learned from this thread that if I press F5, I will catch the coronavirus.

26-02-2020 11:02AM

silverharp wrote: »

Anything on the that German man in his late 40’s , did he have a prior condition? Is he seriously ill?

What I’ve found so far

German man in critical condition
The health ministry of North Rhine-Westphalia state in Germany said a man was first hospitalized Monday with serious pneumonia in the town of Erkelenz near the Dutch border.

The man, reported to be in his 40’s, was moved to Duesseldorf's University Hospital after being diagnosed with the virus, while his wife was isolated after showing symptoms.

Stephan Pusch, who heads the district administration in Heinsberg, where Erkelenz is located, said on Wednesday that schools and kindergartens in the area would be shut for the day.

Meanwhile, Dutch health officials said they were tracing the movements of the German man after learning that he visited the southern province of Limburg last week. The Netherlands doesn’t yet have any confirmed cases of the virus.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/26/covid-19-man-in-critical-condition-in-germany-as-virus-spreads-in-europe

TomSweeney · 26-02-2020 11:04AM

<snip> sorry ...
when I read totally, it;s not so bad ... scaremongering here sorry

SeaBreezes · 26-02-2020 11:05AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

So todays figures:

Coronavirus Cases:
81,178
Deaths:
2,766
Recovered:
30,278

Based on the above, looking at over the last 2 days (worldwide):

1449 Cases
139 Deaths
4999 Recovered.

So the fatality rate over all is hovering around 8% at the moment, should drop further based on the above indicators (i.e more people getting infected and recovering).

China (if you believe them, since they reclassified how they caoallate this information) have also seen there severe cases drop below 9k.

Active cases also dropping overall based on the above figures.

Fatality rate has been dropping by exactly 1% a day since the new Hubei governor took over. Like clockwork on a daily trend.

bennyl10 · 26-02-2020 11:05AM

Thisonedone wrote: »

It’s criminal that Varadkar and Harris have not banned flights from infected regions, they will be responsible for the deaths of dozens of Irish people

No where has banned flights,
the government are not responsible if this reaches here

26-02-2020 11:07AM

This virus will do Greta Thunberg’s work for her by pruning human activity for some time. The planet will be saved

TomSweeney · 26-02-2020 11:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This virus will do Greta Thunberg’s work for her by pruning human activity for some time. The planet will be saved

It's one small silver lining - even though I have no time for that terror supporting thug.

cnocbui · 26-02-2020 11:10AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Is Hand Sanitizer still readily available in Chemists ?

Lidl have it. I'm in the midwest, so I can't speak for Dublin stores.

silverharp · 26-02-2020 11:10AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What I’ve found so far

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/26/covid-19-man-in-critical-condition-in-germany-as-virus-spreads-in-europe

The age is worrying, late 40’s all things being equal ought not be a high risk group for getting pneumonia. Plus its my inlaws neck of the woods

Thisonedone · 26-02-2020 11:11AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Things are imporoving in China at least.

Have spare hospital beds in Wuhan according to Bruce Aylward & number of cases is reducing.

The quicker countries go into lockdown the better

China was able to make the decision to go into lockdown in the blink of an eye. European countries are completely in bed with big businesses so there is no chance of the same measures being taken here.

Ninthlife · 26-02-2020 11:12AM

Ludo wrote: »

Coz you know better than the HSE and the NHS?
I'm sorry but I find no advice anywhere from NHS to self isolate if back from any part of northern Italy unless you are sick. Latest from Guardian even:

Did I say i knew better?

Jesus christ some people look for arguments where none exist on here.

I stated what i saw on Sky News and gave a personal opinion no need to get all defensive

Drumpot · 26-02-2020 11:12AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

<snip> sorry ...
when I read totally, it;s not so bad ... scaremongering here sorry

I am going to be optimistic and say that's because there are so many cases unreported for numerous different reasons and when this sort of outbreak starts its the more serious cases and deaths that actually flag it to authorities. So in essence, when you see 1 death, there could be up to maybe 80-85 more people who have little to no symptoms just going along their lives without an idea that they have it therefore are not flagging it to medical practises, thus not being recorded.

Our friend (below) who gave the press conference yesterday explained that in the first weeks or so the rates of mortality are higher. People not going to hospitals earlier (when they have symptoms but dont realise its Covid) and hospitals just not being ready because they have not dealt with the virus before and of course a mass influx of patients that can be hard to manage.

Supposedly as things progress this mortality rate should level off (hopefully) as the population get better at identifying the virus in themselves, react quicker and hospitals and frontline staff get used to working with it.

I will put a cavaet that this is all Layman interpretation of what I heard yesterday. I have no experience in the medical profession so I am only repeating what I believe was being said..

Again, I really do stress to anybody interested to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

26-02-2020 11:12AM

silverharp wrote: »

The age is worrying, late 40’s all things being equal ought not be a high risk group for getting pneumonia. Plus its my inlaws neck of the woods

I’ll keep an eye out for anymore info.

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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