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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #1052
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Ireland v Italy game cancelled.


  • #1053
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0225/1117427-coronavirus/

    Surely only a matter of time before we start to get a shift in response from the EU.

    BACK TO WHO CONFERENCE: Oh, big question, What is your response to the suggestion that millions are infected and over 250,000 are dead.

    "I didnt got everywhere in China but I think the numbers/data we have are reflective of the cases." In short, this is uncorroborated hyperbole.

    Treatment trials "Some groups are trying multiple clinical trials"

    Question "Why is there a disparity between figures in Wuhan and the rest of China?"

    Response: "Wuhans higher mortality rate probably due to a couple of things. It happened fast and people didnt know how to treat it. The sheer scale. At the beginning of the outbreak we were seeing severe diseases"

    Mortality Rate: "This is still a big problem and a concern"

    Question: "How do you explain the fast spread in Italy and why they were not ready and when you mentioned war, what did you mean by that ?"

    "I have not been in any other country who has been managing this thing so I dont know the circumstances of different countries. But there is really important lessons we can learn from it. This tells you what this virus can do. I keep hearing people say well that happens because of this (ie we just dont know why its popping up in random spots).

    1. Think the virus is going to show up tomorrow. If you dont think that way you wont be ready
    2. If it hits us we have to stop it (otherwise you have lost before you started)
    3. You know you are going to need beds, quarantine close contacts so you have to be able to accommodate those people
    4. You need enough ventilators
    5. You need to be bale to transfer people
    6. YOU need the lab capacity to test people (not an x-ray - In china they CT scan them - How many countries have CT scans and how many can they put through in a day)
    7. Do you have people who know how to fill out an investigation form, where thats going to be sent and who will reivew it ?
    8. Talk to your population - "Folks we have to be ready to do this tomorrow"
    9. Talk to people who have done it (China - hence all the praise for China)

    All "Super dooable" . .

    So fail to prepare, prepare to fail. This has been a really good conference


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

    How is there only 1000 people watching this ?

    Is a CT scan really the way they test for it? No other way? Just seems a bit extreme.


  • #1054
    Lashes28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Lashes28


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Ireland v Italy game cancelled.

    Simon Harris looks like the shadiest ****er ever


  • #1055
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,011 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Deleted User wrote: »
    With that very thing in mind they have tried corticosteroids one treating this and SARS-1, but it actually makes things work. Paracetamol would provide some symptomatic relief and we should all have it in stock, but being very careful about paying heed to dosage.

    Aspirin is my favourite pain reliever. Paracetamol is meh.

    Pretty useful to have on hand in the event of heart attack or stroke. Paracetamol - not so much.

    https://www.drugs.com/compare/aspirin-vs-paracetamol


  • #1056
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    All should quarantine.

    Yes all should quarantine but lets say one adult works in a creche the other an office. Do all the people in the Office quarantine, does the creche close and all those people quarantine??

    The school might have 250 pupils so very quickly this spiderwebs out but no one has said what we should do in this event.

    Im not one to worry or scaremonger but the lack of information and assurances as to how adept we may be to deal with this is a little on the quiet side


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  • #1057
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Minister of Health Simon Haris on RTE now. Looks like the Rugby match with Italy won't go ahead. Getting serious now.


  • #1058
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Pnuemonia is a complication of viruses such as the Corona virus as well as other viral and bacterial infections.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia

    "Pneumonia is usually caused by infection with viruses or bacteria and less commonly by other microorganisms, certain medications and conditions such as autoimmune diseases."

    "Pneumonia affects approximately 450 million people globally (7% of the population) and results in about four million deaths per year"

    So a fatality rate of less than 1%.

    The problem with the Corona virus is that so far the fatality rate is seen to be greater, and possibly significantly greater than 1%. Estimates range, as we have seen on this thread, from 2% to 9%.

    One thing that you can be sure of is that the Corona virus will lead to an increase in the number of deaths from pnuemonia.

    Pneumonia has a much higher mortality rate than 1%. I quoted 50k American deaths this was in 2019 with the number of overall cases being 1 million.


  • #1059
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Simon Harris escalating this rapidly now.


  • #1060
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Ireland v Italy game cancelled.

    Best news I've heard all week. We'll be alright.


  • #1061
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Heard the Iranian sweating ("all is well") guy is going to do a stand up comedy tour with the Iraq ("it's not true") dude from a previous decade, that denied the West was rolling into Bagdhad as Jarheads drove hummers up towards him.


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  • #1062
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Makes sense to cancel the rugby match with the number of outbreaks coming from Italy. Itll be serious when theres martial law installed in effected countries. Wont happen tho. Postponing this game is just precautionary.


  • #1063
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
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    https://me.me/i/hi-we-understand-you-are-40-and-still-not-married-14423149


  • #1064
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Great to see some grown ups finally taking this seriously with the match being canceled, talking about stepping up stuff in airports too.

    Opposition being briefed tomorrow i wonder what SFs reaction will be if they get advised to cancel their coming events?


  • #1065
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I think he said advised not to go ahead? Not cancelled yet but will be..


  • #1066
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    50000 people die from pnuemonia in the US every year. How many deaths from Corona virus so far?


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  • #1067
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    Is a CT scan really the way they test for it? No other way? Just seems a bit extreme.

    I honestly don’t know. I was just trying to relay what he was saying in the conference. Sorry.

    I would recommend watching his full 2 hour footage as I found it superb and feel like it’s the first unfiltered bit of information (he even hinted a few times That who wouldn’t like him saying certain things) we have gotten.


  • #1068
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    If you're currently training in e.g. TableTennis, Climbing, Breakdancing (or whatever is the latest thing is), for the aul Olypikics in Japan
    ..don't bother, have some custard dreams n' pie, and check back in 2024.


  • #1069
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Dow Jones down nearly 600 points today.

    Don't panic.


  • #1070
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Simon Harris is an arsehole....

    But he had the balls to make the first big call.

    Fair play to him.

    Time for the rest to step up.


  • #1071
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Cancelling a game thats going in Dublin seems over the top. Are they saying Italy is quarantined now? I suppose its the right shape to build a wall across the top.


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  • #1072
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    What should people be doing for prevention methods?

    Masks?
    Alcohol hand sanitizer?


  • #1073
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The 11th Italian victim is a 76 year old woman who was taken to hospital today after she developed sudden respiratory issues. Scary how quickly conditions can deteriorate, she was an undetected case and wasn't even in hospital
    Lower below in the article they mentioned that 95% of people survive, not sure where they get that figure but it's closer to reality than the previous ones

    In general pneumonia can strike very suddenly. I had just returned home from a New Year party in the Algarve, where there was a very unwell looking man who was coughing incessantly, and I was literally sitting in front of my pc editing the holiday photos when in the course of 15 minutes I became extremely unwell, out of the blue. This was about 2012. Over a few minutes a fever overtook me and I started shivering and shaking, wondering what was wrong with me. I shut down the computer and retreated to my bed whereupon I suddenly started coughing thick red-brown gunge and found myself very short of breath. Next morning I got a taxi to the private hospital where I had been attending a gastro-enterologist for colitis. I was on two immune-suppressive drugs. The pulse oximeter showed sats of around 88% and I was admitted with lower lives on both lungs solidly affected by bacterial pneumonia. IV antibiotics and oxygen quickly dealt with it, but I was exhausted for weeks after. The sudden onset of symptoms took me completely by surprise, and similar had happened me about 9 years previously. One minute you could be writing a post here apparently in the full if your health, and perhaps 15 posts later you could be in your bed with a shaking chill and coughing. You can be overcome by pneumonia that suddenly.


  • #1074
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,426 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    50000 people die from pnuemonia in the US every year. How many deaths from Corona virus so far?

    We don't know yet. We're still waiting for the Chinese to release the number of pnuemonia related deaths caused by coronavirus.

    You can see why we're so concerned to have a new contagious disease which triggers pneumonia as a secondary infection.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1075
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Dow Jones down nearly 600 points today.

    Don't panic.


    Worse yesterday, negative 4%. About $1tr of global stock down the pan.
    The plane people that like to charge you for looking the wrong way lost 14%c.


    DON'T PANIC


  • #1076
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,426 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Titclamp wrote: »
    What should people be doing for prevention methods?

    Masks?
    Alcohol hand sanitizer?

    You won't get any masks that are effective. Sold out.

    Alcohol hand sanitizer if you're out and about.
    Wash your hands as much as you can.
    Force yourself not to touch your face when out and about if you can get disposable gloves for travelling on public transport get them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1077
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    Titclamp wrote: »
    What should people be doing for prevention methods?

    Masks?
    Alcohol hand sanitizer?

    For yourself? Depends. Can you afford to avoid people? Wash hands a lot. Be disciplined about face touching. No kissing randomers. I blew that one hard in Galway already. Pull your kids from school for a week. They will probably close for a period soon anyway.

    TBH I cant afford to dont anything bar the kids bit. So I am resigned to my zombie downfall.


  • #1078
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I honestly don’t know. I was just trying to relay what he was saying in the conference. Sorry.

    I would recommend watching his full 2 hour footage as I found it superb and feel like it’s the first unfiltered bit of information (he even hinted a few times That who wouldn’t like him saying certain things) we have gotten.

    I looked into it further and it seems they were doing CT scans because of they didn't want to wait for blood tests or the blood kits were in short supply, blood tests being more reliable. Definitely don't think irradiating whole swathes of the population is ideal


  • #1079
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the Iranian health minister getting sick on camera has to be one of the more surreal things ive seen in a while related to this

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #1080
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Its now a case of the cat being out of the bag. It hasnt been contained. Everyone is going to get it. Its just too late.
    There is no point holding up the world further, so really, best just to continue business as normal, rather than also crash the world economy. Very sad for the 200 million unlucky ones and their families, but best that the world keeps working best to mitigate the damage.
    Forget the face masks, confinements, hand gel. Just press on, and hope you arent one of the 2%.
    Thats my view anyway.


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  • #1081
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They seriously need to start considering what to do about paddies weekend, we cant afford that many people arriving from god knows where


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