Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

13-02-2020 07:38PM

FFVII wrote: »

Yea, very slow first 3 EPs. Nothing happening.

If it wasn’t ST I’d have left it so after last week. But I don’t watch much and it is ST so I’ll live in hope.

It’s mad how much leeway it’s getting compared to the zero Discovery got. Almost any episode of Discovery was infinitely better than this has been so far.

Rawr · 14-02-2020 12:54PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If it wasn’t ST I’d have left it so after last week. But I don’t watch much and it is ST so I’ll live in hope.

It’s mad how much leeway it’s getting compared to the zero Discovery got. Almost any episode of Discovery was infinitely better than this has been so far.

I think some of that might be due to the novelty of actually moving forward in time in Star Trek instead of re-threading the TOS era yet again.

It's a shock and a novelty to actually be moving forward in time again for the first in over a decade. This is a massive bonus for me...but there is a voice in the back of my head reminding me that Picard could still turn out to be bad overall, despite my hopes that it will be good.

I welcomed Discovery initially. The idea that it would feature the Klingon War excited me...but since they went the same direction of ENT, and the JJ films, my own patience for yet another prequel was thin. Thus Discovery's failings were little more glaring to me than if it were another Trek show in the TNG era.

That said, Voyager was a TNG era show and it routinely pisses me off. There are some really good episodes, there are also plenty of horribly done stories that were sometimes just the re-heated leftovers of TNG episodes. Both Discovery and Voyager pissed away what potential they had as Trek shows, and that annoys me more than smaller cannon /design issues.

Picard still has loads of potential, which I hope it will live up to...but there is as much chance of them somehow screwing it up....and then alas it'll be the new Voyager in my head. Even Seven of Nine is in there somehow.....I hope that's not an omen

EltonJohn69 · 14-02-2020 06:35PM

Rawr wrote: »

He sure can!

If Jean-Luc still had that beautiful head of hair, he would still be an admiral and potentially running start fleet. He lost his job/ they wouldn't listen to him because he is follicle challenged. The whole Picard show is basically about how even in the 24 century bald people are still discriminated against.

Bobtheman · 15-02-2020 04:50PM

Rawr wrote: »

I think some of that might be due to the novelty of actually moving forward in time in Star Trek instead of re-threading the TOS era yet again.

It's a shock and a novelty to actually be moving forward in time again for the first in over a decade. This is a massive bonus for me...but there is a voice in the back of my head reminding me that Picard could still turn out to be bad overall, despite my hopes that it will be good.

I welcomed Discovery initially. The idea that it would feature the Klingon War excited me...but since they went the same direction of ENT, and the JJ films, my own patience for yet another prequel was thin. Thus Discovery's failings were little more glaring to me than if it were another Trek show in the TNG era.

That said, Voyager was a TNG era show and it routinely pisses me off. There are some really good episodes, there are also plenty of horribly done stories that were sometimes just the re-heated leftovers of TNG episodes. Both Discovery and Voyager pissed away what potential they had as Trek shows, and that annoys me more than smaller cannon /design issues.

Picard still has loads of potential, which I hope it will live up to...but there is as much chance of them somehow screwing it up....and then alas it'll be the new Voyager in my head. Even Seven of Nine is in there somehow.....I hope that's not an omen

It slow moving but im happy enough with it. Stewart/picard will always get an easier ride because of nostalgia. Plus there is more of an ST feel to this show than Discovery. Adressing values etc It is also good to be moving the timeline forward but I was disappointed that they didnt use the books idea of him beeing married to Beverly and having a son. They were obviously non canonical but would be nice to see the old man get reguarly laid!

Xertz · 17-02-2020 06:38PM

To be honest, I kinda like Picard as he is. We don't know much about his love life and it doesn't really matter. All we know is he likes archaeology and isn't much of a wine maker but we don't really get into his personal life in a big way and there's nothing wrong with that. It's sort of part of the mystique of the character.

Maybe he just wasn't the marrying type or didn't get around to it, what with the battles with the Borg and all of that.

tjdaly · 17-02-2020 09:22PM

Very, very, surprised that people are complaining about the pacing on this. I think they have it pitch perfect. A patient, thoughtful start which will set the scene for the rip roaring adventure in store for us. If they'd gotten him hurtling through space at light speed on the first episode it would have ridiculous. The dude is old, and he is barely able for combat sports, a single kick to the chest would break his ribs, he has also gone a bit doddery, that is all part of the charm. Things will pick up. Really enjoying this so far.

Greyjoy · 18-02-2020 12:43PM

It's not a lack of action that's hurting the show it's a lack of progression. We're nearly halfway through the season and even though there's been plenty of plot there's very little actual advancement in the overall story. Too much of the series so far has been taken up with flashbacks of scenes that could have been dealt with in two or three lines of dialogue.

EltonJohn69 · 20-02-2020 01:13PM

Patrick Stewart looks and sounds about twenty years younger in the new Charlie’s Angels #UnleashJeanLuc

20-02-2020 07:00PM

Rawr wrote: »

That said, Voyager was a TNG era show and it routinely pisses me off. There are some really good episodes, there are also plenty of horribly done stories that were sometimes just the re-heated leftovers of TNG episodes. Both Discovery and Voyager pissed away what potential they had as Trek shows, and that annoys me more than smaller cannon /design issues.

Picard still has loads of potential, which I hope it will live up to...but there is as much chance of them somehow screwing it up....and then alas it'll be the new Voyager in my head. Even Seven of Nine is in there somehow.....I hope that's not an omen

A friend leant me a tape of VOY. To tell you how along this was it was a VHS tape of two voyager episodes. One was an excellent episode involving time travel. The second ep: The Adventures of Flotter. A hologram program runs amok. Woeful stuff.

Every time voyager took a step forward, it seemed to take two steps back.

FatBallerina · 23-02-2020 01:57PM

I've just binge watched Picard and thoroughly enjoyed it. Slow moving at first, took me 2 episodes to really get into it. Happy to see The Borg being so involved, they were my favourite villains. Seven was my favourite character on Voyager and I quite like this bad ass version of her. Good to see oldies making a comeback.

Xertz · 23-02-2020 02:32PM

The pace has definitely become more watchable.

25-02-2020 12:26AM

Not crazy about Patrick Stewart in this. He doesn't hold the same booming presence he once had. He's getting on.

Inviere · 27-02-2020 05:20PM

I've caught up now, with the exception of the episode 6 out today...but I must say I'm really enjoying it. It's so much more cohesive and focused than Discovery, and this is really holding my interest.

27-02-2020 05:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not crazy about Patrick Stewart in this. He doesn't hold the same booming presence he once had. He's getting on.

I could say the same about my dad who is 3 years older than Stewart.

No doubt someone will say the same about me in 50 years time.

Inviere · 27-02-2020 05:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I could say the same about my dad who is 3 years older than Stewart.

No doubt someone will say the same about me in 50 years time.

Exactly, he is different, he should be different, I'd expect him to be different. The important thing is he's different in a way that's natural...not a jarring or forced difference. He's Jean Luc Picard, he's older, vulnerable, and not as able as he once was...but he's still Jean Luc, and for all it's worth, that's all I care about.

27-02-2020 11:16PM

I don't like the way he's called JL by Raffi.....seems like the sort of thing he wouldn't allow back in the day

jcrowbar · 27-02-2020 11:40PM

pah wrote: »

There hasn't been a proper explanation IMO as to why he is so different to the last time we had him on screen

Eh.... they spent the first few episodes doing just that. 20 years is a long time and people change. The galaxy is vastly different to what we saw last time in Nemesis.

Xertz · 28-02-2020 02:06PM

I think what's annoying me is not that Picard's aged, but rather he's not the rock of sense and stability that he always represented. He seems somehow quite indecisive and weak. The TNG Picard was an incredibly wise character and a very deep thinker who held huge weight on screen.

There was a certain confidence expressed by Picard and Janeway which which had moral fibre. That seems to be weakened.

I really didn't like Captain Archer on the Enterprise series for the same reason. He was a wishy-washy character who lacked that intellect, wisdom and reflective thinking. Kirk had it in spades.

Fundamentally, I think "the Captain" shouldn't really be someone full of flaws and self doubt. That's really not what the role is about and I'm not sure that we want to or need to see a weak and vulnerable character in that role and it's nothing to do with age. I think he could pull off a far more true to Picard role if it were better written.

I'm also really not liking this dystopian version of the Federation. To me, a lot of what was good about that whole concept was that the Federation had ideals, values, stood for something and was quite a contrast to the chaos that we experience in day-to-day politics in 20th/21st century reality. It was very ambitious future where humanity had basically made it. Now they've added in a load of gritty references to present day politics, references to money and so on. All that's somewhat beneath the TNG universe in my view.

It's watchable, but it's feeling a lot less like TNG and more like something about the meltdown of what had been a truly phenomenal society that had really become very rights based, thoughtful, reflective and deeply moralistic in a very intelligent way and I guess that is just the writers reflecting present day swings to the populist far right and so on in contemporary politics in the US, which is where they're getting their cultural point of view. The old 1980s/90s TNG was far more escapist and set out a very ambitious future.

The other aspect that's annoying me is that, like Discovery, they've really upped the gore and violence. I know that's probably due to the freedoms of a streaming service, as opposed to US network television, but it's made it just another gory sci-fi show and that's also somewhat devalued it in my view anyway.

Tenzor07 · 28-02-2020 02:24PM

Xertz wrote: »

I think what's annoying me is not that Picard's aged, but rather he's not the rock of sense and stability that he always represented. He seems somehow quite indecisive and weak. The TNG Picard was an incredibly wise character and a very deep thinker who held huge weight on screen..

Although the shows creators say this is "Prime" timeline, I have a feeling that they aren't familiar with it and their knowledge of Trek seems to be more so from the Kelvin Timeline...

And this is Lieutenant Picard as seen in the TNG Episode "Tapestry"

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tapestry_(episode)

Evade · 28-02-2020 02:35PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Although the shows creators say this is "Prime" timeline, I have a feeling that they aren't familiar with it and their knowledge of Trek seems to be more so from the Kelvin Timeline...

And this is Lieutenant Picard as seen in the TNG Episode "Tapestry"

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tapestry_(episode)

There's definitely some people working on it that have a decent knowledge of Star Trek but I'd say they get overruled by the more important people that know less.

Nody · 28-02-2020 02:36PM

I gave up after episode 5; this is simply not working and this is not who Picard is. I could go on a long rant on all the things they got wrong from wealth (which was suppose to be removed), the preaching, lore abuse (Synthehol intolerance for 7 of 9? Oh it magically disappeared along with a very long list of other issues with lore being ignored) etc. Simply put today The Orville is the actual Star Trek; this is simply some ****ty fan fiction.

EltonJohn69 · 29-02-2020 01:10AM

I THOUGHT THE MOST RECENT EPISODE WAS GREAT

ExoPolitic · 29-02-2020 05:16AM

Cycle of trek; fans say show will be no good, fans convince themselves show is already no good before seeing, fans watch show and only complain, show gets cancelled, fans wonder why its been cancelled, fans watch reruns and love show for years to come...

Evade · 29-02-2020 02:02PM

FFVII · 29-02-2020 02:17PM

I like it.

Was a bit slow, I don't like the way they zoom in on JL

The whole premise/storyline is a bit sh1t.

But i like it.

pixelburp · 29-02-2020 02:28PM

I had heard this will only get 2 seasons, but not sure where exactly I read that all the same. So cancellation may not be an issue, more likely the desire for Stewart to keep going. A side character with a big enough impact might create a spin off though. Besides, not like there hasn't been former black sheep of fandom, retrospectively loved after the fact (I am of course talking of ... ... The animated series :pac:).

Stark · 29-02-2020 02:34PM

Just finished reading the prequel novel. (Star Trek Picard: the last best hope). The novel is great, well worth the read.

Goodshape · 29-02-2020 02:42PM

Xertz wrote: »

I think what's annoying me is not that Picard's aged, but rather he's not the rock of sense and stability that he always represented. He seems somehow quite indecisive and weak. The TNG Picard was an incredibly wise character and a very deep thinker who held huge weight on screen.

There was a certain confidence expressed by Picard and Janeway which which had moral fibre. That seems to be weakened.

I really didn't like Captain Archer on the Enterprise series for the same reason. He was a wishy-washy character who lacked that intellect, wisdom and reflective thinking. Kirk had it in spades.

I'm enjoying ST:Picard quite a bit. I think it's working on a lot of levels as a ~20 years later update to the TNG/DS9/Voy universe. Episodes 2 and 3 were weak, but it's been pretty solid since.

Having said that, have to agree with Xertz here. Would have preferred a different take on Picard himself. This guy too often seems unsure of himself, slightly overwhelmed, and a little too emotional. Based on what he's been through since last we saw him, I'd have imagined Picard getting a little angrier and even more stubborn, not softer. It's a lot more P.Stew than "JL".

But despite that I am enjoying it. I think the supporting cast and characters are all really strong, as is the world building – once they got away from Earth.

29-02-2020 02:55PM

Stark wrote: »

Just finished reading the prequel novel. (Star Trek Picard: the last best hope). The novel is great, well worth the read.

I bought the audio book but haven’t got round to it yet. Looking forward to filling in the gaps.

marcbrophy · 01-03-2020 12:01AM

Goodshape wrote: »

This guy too often seems unsure of himself, slightly overwhelmed, and a little too emotional.

People seem to be forgetting that these are all symptoms of Irumodic Syndrome. Which the doc told him he had.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Irumodic_Syndrome

If you ask me, this is exactly what Picard would be like after this condition starts to take hold!

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