new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Charles Babbage · 23-02-2020 12:07AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

I have no idea and there is loads of contradictory information online. [Apparently Russia has launched a misinformation campaign about it which seeks to blame the USA.] Here is the article I was thinking of anyway:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/could-the-coronavirus-mutate-if-a-vaccine-cant-be-found-in-time

A key point I was interested in:

If a vaccine would remain effective then all the more reason to deploy every effort to hold the pox back until one becomes available.

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 12:12AM

Go Italy

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231367084296298496

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:18AM

18 Italians seriously ill with coronavirus

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:20AM

wakka12 wrote: »

18 Italians seriously ill with coronavirus

What age are they?

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 12:20AM

wakka12 wrote: »

18 Italians seriously ill with coronavirus

Makes you wonder if the reports in Iran saying people are literally getting symptoms and dying within days is true
Has it mutated into a worse strain

creditcarder · 23-02-2020 12:21AM

wakka12 wrote: »

18 Italians seriously ill with coronavirus

Are they on vntilators?

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:25AM

creditcarder wrote: »

Are they on vntilators?

I don't think people in serious condition require them yet

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:25AM

creditcarder wrote: »

Are they on vntilators?

Lots of questions

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:26AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Makes you wonder if the reports in Iran saying people are literally getting symptoms and dying within days is true
Has it mutated into a worse strain

It's impossible to know I think we should wait to see the outcome of patients on the cruise to accurately assess the danger

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:27AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't think people in serious condition require them yet

So are they in serious condition? What’s serious condition btw?

creditcarder · 23-02-2020 12:27AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't think people in serious condition require them yet

So what warrants saying that 18 (apparntly all) are in serious condition?

s7ryf3925pivug · 23-02-2020 12:28AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So are they in serious condition? What’s serious condition btw?

pneumonia, for example.

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:29AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

pneumonia, for example.

So pneumonia is a by product of covid 19 no?

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 12:31AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So pneumonia is a by product of covid 19 no?

Yup

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 12:31AM

So anyone that gets this is guaranteed to get pneumonia

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:31AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So pneumonia is a by product of covid 19 no?

I could be way off but I think like HIV ncov is not a 'disease' but just weakens your immune system and allows pneumonia to manifest

creditcarder · 23-02-2020 12:32AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So are they in serious condition? What’s serious condition btw?

I second this question to Wakka and a source would be good

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:33AM

creditcarder wrote: »

I second this question to Wakka and a source would be good

https://mobile.twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1231369486932070400?s=21

No idea what is considered serious in Italian healthcare system but it varies by country

cameramonkey · 23-02-2020 12:34AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

So anyone that gets this is guaranteed to get pneumonia

There are various studies to say that a certain percentage get pneumonia about the 10 day mark after they become symptomatic.

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yup

Sorry I though we were coming from different ends of the spectrum there.

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:35AM

I believe there were some patients who have pneumonia when inspecting the lungs but they were asymptomatic,is that possible ?

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 12:36AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I believe there were some patients who have pneumonia when inspecting the lungs but they were asymptomatic,is that possible ?

The test for it is terrible at best

citysights · 23-02-2020 12:38AM

The Sunday Times is reporting that the British couple,the Abel’s, who were on the cruise ship off the coast of Japan are in a bad way with pneumonia in a Japanese hospital. They are elderly and had been celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary and were the ones who were live posting while in quarantine. Dreadful stuff.Hope they will recover.

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:42AM

We’ve said we can’t trust Chinese numbers, so that’s grand let’s go with that. It seems to have taken hold in Italy to a certain extent. So what can we draw from those figures. Italy is in the Eu so we should be able to believe those figures.
If it’s as virulent as its made out to be , so what should be the death rate going by what we’ve already ascertained?

tom1ie · 23-02-2020 12:43AM

citysights wrote: »

The Sunday Times is reporting that the British couple,the Abel’s, who were on the cruise ship off the coast of Japan are in a bad way with pneumonia in a Japanese hospital. They are elderly and had been celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary and were the ones who were live posting while in quarantine. Dreadful stuff.Hope they will recover.

That’s terrible to hear.
What’s the overall stats from that ghost ship?

citysights · 23-02-2020 12:45AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1231369486932070400?s=21

No idea what is considered serious in Italian healthcare system but it varies by country

Girl I used to work with was married to an Italian she maintained he was an absolute hypochondriac, tablets, doctor and home in bed for the least thing.She said many were like him, have no idea if this is really true but maybe their vigilance now with the confirmed cases could help to stop the spread further across Europe.

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 12:45AM

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s terrible to hear.
What’s the overall stats from that ghost ship?

Dunno the current number from the past day but a lot that were testing negative before leaving the ship are now testing positive after reaching home

darjeeling · 23-02-2020 12:47AM

Sean 18 wrote: »

So anyone that gets this is guaranteed to get pneumonia

That's not what I've picked up. As I understand it, the picture emerging from China and now from cases outside of China is that some people will have essentially no symptoms, most will have some sort of flu-like symptoms, and some will develop pneumonia, of whom a few will go on to develop multiple organ failure.

wakka12 wrote: »

I could be way off but I think like HIV ncov is not a 'disease' but just weakens your immune system and allows pneumonia to manifest

HIV infects a class of white blood cells responsible for the adaptive immune response, meaning that opportunistic infections then become more likely, including pneumonia.

SARS-CoV-2 infects AT2 cells in the alveoli of the lungs, i.e. the tiny air sacs where gas exchange between inhaled air and blood capillaries occurs. That in itself can cause pneumonia due to local inflammation, leaky capillaries and alveoli filling with fluid.

The damaged alveoli can also serve as breeding grounds for opportunistic bacteria such as streptococcus or MRSA, which then need antibiotic treatment.

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 12:48AM

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s terrible to hear.
What’s the overall stats from that ghost ship?

634 tested positive out of 2800 on board, half were asymptomatic positives, 2 have died and 27 are in a serious condition

creditcarder · 23-02-2020 01:14AM

wakka12 wrote: »

634 tested positive out of 2800 on board, half were asymptomatic positives, 2 have died and 27 are in a serious condition

Hmmm, 1 in five postive, in in ten symptyms and around one in 100 actively infected.

Yup, even with the close confines that's pretty ****ty. Nothing to do but build up your immune system I guess.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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