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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I popped some bubble wrap as a joke in work yesterday.

    I’m sneezing today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Another case in Milan - expect a lot more tomorrow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/featured

    Dr John now talking about potentially getting virus again.

    In short I think hes saying there may be multiple types of Coronavirus and if you get it again you may get it more severely. Supposedly its possible with some other illness's (Dengue fever). Very interesting explanation.

    I'd be skeptical of that. All the isolates so far have very similar genomes showing a very recent common ancestor in humans.

    The phenomenon of more severe second infection, raised a few times now, does happen with dengue, but there are important distinctions between the diseases.

    Dengue infects a class of white blood cells that are trying to mediate the immune response. These cells normally make contact with antibody-bound dengue in order to destroy it. But it appears that if the antibody is present at low levels or imperfectly binds to the virus because it's a highly divergent strain from that previously encountered, then the virus may not be rendered harmless by the time a white blood cell closes in to destroy it, and instead can get inside the cell and infect it.

    The novel coronavirus does not infect white blood cells, but rather cells with ACE2 surface receptors, and these are primarily found in the alveoli at the termini of the airways in the lungs and in the small intestine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I popped some bubble wrap as a joke in work yesterday.

    I’m sneezing today.

    Read the bible and hope for the best is your only option now.


  • Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    darjeeling wrote: »
    That's what I'm thinking.

    Any epidemic here is likely to play out over months, peaking a few months after person-to-person transmission takes hold, and taking months to fall away after that.
    In terms of practical things people can do to prepare, that time scale is important.

    For people at risk of a poor outcome should they be infected, but who can take steps to avoid getting it at all, it would make sense to figure how to avoid infection.
    That could mean things like:
    • figuring out where to get good reliable information and advice on the progression of the epidemic and how to take care of yourself
    • bringing forward essential travel to avoid travelling when infection rates are higher
    • bringing forward minor and routine medical appointments and procedures to avoid needing medical services at the height of an epidemic
    • choosing to avoid social gatherings you might otherwise want to attend - e.g. large family events
    • restricting contact generally with people who might be infected
    • seeing if you can get your groceries delivered rather than having to go to busy supermarkets

    For people who are going out to work, living in city centres, travelling on public transport, dealing with large numbers of customers, avoiding infection is going to be much harder.
    Though at least most urban-dwelling, bus-commuting shop workers are likely to be younger and so at lower risk of adverse outcomes.

    For businesses, plans should be made for avoiding cross-infection between staff where possible, for operating during higher than usual staff absence, for home working etc.
    We had the flu run through our office in December, and about a quarter of us caught it by the end. Some people were out for over a week. This new virus could easily be more disruptive than that.

    I am so glad I am retired from my job as a public library worker. All humanity uses the libraries, as it is quite a few library users have an appalling attitude to hygiene and return books covered in bodily “produce” of all kinds, and some of it is a product of being antisocial. Moreover customers frequently arrive in declaring “I have a bad flu and am off work, great to be able to come to the library and get my reading material”.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Imy about to throw on contagion.... the movie might send me over the edge..... but....the whiskey should counteract my inevitable hysteria.....

    Ah Elton..I heard you were poorly earlier in the week...nothing contangious I hope?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Oh no... we really don't. I have had massive banter reading this thread. It's genuinely great.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/jeQ5778szXCPbTQy8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    It was going well until the second part...

    Eugene Gu, MD
    @eugenegu
    ·
    11m
    Based on the quick spread of the coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, it’s likely the coronavirus spreads similarly to the norovirus, which is through the fecal-oral route and through contaminated objects called fomites that eventually contaminate our food and water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    fr336 wrote: »
    It was going well until the second part...

    Eugene Gu, MD
    @eugenegu
    ·
    11m
    Based on the quick spread of the coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, it’s likely the coronavirus spreads similarly to the norovirus, which is through the fecal-oral route and through contaminated objects called fomites that eventually contaminate our food and water.

    Second part of ?

    Btw 'Formites' are objects or materials which are likely to carry infection, such as clothes, utensils, and furniture.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Read the bible and hope for the best is your only option now.
    Except if your in China, they may send to the Gulag (re-education centre).

    Must be tough enough for their worker drones to be sent off to the crem if deemed unfit for purpose/recovery. Not even a few flowers, good luck charms, hymns nor incense.

    However some of the earlier utube vids from China showed plenty of folks resorting to Buddist chanty music (decent enough with the singing bowls) to while away their building's lockdown. Guess as long as it's kept at low volume and no visual symbology, they'll be allowed to continue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Watched a few minutes of Dr John live stream.. he sounds like he might have caught it already with all his coughing.

    No doubt it’s getting closer to us alright.

    Surprised Oz and NZ have no (reported) cases given the trade and tourism with China.


  • Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Watched a few minutes of Dr John live stream.. he sounds like he might have caught it already with all his coughing.

    No doubt it’s getting closer to us alright.

    Surprised Oz and NZ have no (reported) cases given the trade and tourism with China.

    Australia has cases


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Watched a few minutes of Dr John live stream.. he sounds like he might have caught it already with all his coughing.
    No doubt it’s getting closer to us alright.

    Surprised Oz and NZ have no (reported) cases given the trade and tourism with China.


    Think the Aussies have about 20 confirmed around their main states, they also use Chrissy Island and Darwin for inbound cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Ok thanks for info re Oz And NZ. Hadn’t heard that, must admit. Not surprised though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Are not all the Oz cases people from China that got moved back - is there a single case of H2H there outside the quarantine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,400 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Jesus Christ..

    Shocking altogether...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Bit concerned about the Milan confirmation now. I work for an Italian company, and about 50 of our 100 odd employees are Italian (and most would have come direct from the Milan office). They travel home a lot, especially this week with mid term. And we often have convoys of the group company employees over to visit.

    I'm perfectly healthy, but my mother has had some health issues and I'd worry about passing anything on. She lives down the country so perhaps I should just avoid visiting home until this all blows over.

    Have a feeling if Id be laughed at if I asked any questions at work re: a contingency plan or anything like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Have a feeling if Id be laughed at if I asked any questions at work re: a contingency plan or anything like that.
    Ask. Might even spur them on to make a contingency plan if they haven't already. There are at least 50000 Italians being advised to stay at home as of yesterday, I don't think they can really believe you're being unreasonable for expressing concern..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    I thought we produce a food surplus?

    I don't expect or even suggest the action; just curious about whether we could.

    Medicine... fuel... probably loads more than just food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Italy up to 66 cases, sudden spike is only due to mass testing which means its most likely been there for a few weeks, im in no doubt its hiding here too now, will be doing my second prep shop on monday


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,896 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Medicine... fuel... probably loads more than just food

    Steak and chips and Viagra. We have the essentials.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    Bit concerned about the Milan confirmation now. I work for an Italian company, and about 50 of our 100 odd employees are Italian (and most would have come direct from the Milan office). They travel home a lot, especially this week with mid term. And we often have convoys of the group company employees over to visit.

    I'm perfectly healthy, but my mother has had some health issues and I'd worry about passing anything on. She lives down the country so perhaps I should just avoid visiting home until this all blows over.

    Have a feeling if Id be laughed at if I asked any questions at work re: a contingency plan or anything like that.


    I think if there is another case or two in Milan and its showing signs of spreading there then I think you have a duty (to all of us) to flag this. But just one case Im not so sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Steak and chips and Viagra. We have the essentials.

    Dont forget sudacream


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,896 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Dont forget sudacream

    Why, is it a good substitute for Astro Glide?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wylo wrote: »
    I think if there is another case or two in Milan and its showing signs of spreading there then I think you have a duty (to all of us) to flag this. But just one case Im not so sure.

    Already 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    When would this be expected to peak in Europe ? since it is out now , and no stopping it ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,901 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    How does this virus maintain it's strength ? Will it not run it's course>? Does it not dilute down with every infection it causes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    How does this virus maintain it's strength ? Will it not run it's course>? Does it not dilute down with every infection it causes
    Like Adam and Eve diluted down to nothing..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,199 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    How does this virus maintain it's strength ? Will it not run it's course>? Does it not dilute down with every infection it causes

    Viruses go 3 ways - stays the same, mutates to less damaging, mutates to "It's the end of the fcuking world"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    How does this virus maintain it's strength ? Will it not run it's course>? Does it not dilute down with every infection it causes


    What? No that's not how this works, that's not how any flu or virus's work.


    You might be confusing how if a virus is too lethal it can kill the host before they can become infectious or spread it to enough new hosts, this corona virus has a massive incubation and infectious stage prior to anyone showing symptoms so its ability to spread is unlike any flu like illness we have seen for some time.


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