new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 12:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, they don't work so its not much loss.

In the lock down areas in Italy people are advised to wear them

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 12:45PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I presume the 5 deaths would suggest that there’s hundreds infected in Iran if we take a 1%-2% death ratio? Or at least I hope so or some sort of medical Reason for such a high death rate , cause we don’t want a 20%

the speed at which the numbers of cases went from 0 to 28 is an indication of how many undetected cases are out there, same as in Italy. Now they have a new case popping up every hour

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:45PM

tuxy wrote: »

That's good advice for vulnerable people, the old or tho se with poor immune systems.
A healthy person can easily survive 10 days on a miniscule amount of calories and will stay warm just fine with a few blankets.

Why would anyone need to do that? We are all and each vulnerable to infection .

jackboy · 22-02-2020 12:46PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Jesus, that last paragraph sums up a lot of the sentiment on here. "Supply chain breakdown", "panic", 'nothing to stop it". All you're missing is "immovable object Vs. unstoppable force" and you'd have a Hollywood script.

Supply chain breakdown is a very real risk to humanity. Most people do not understand how extremely fragile the food supply chain is. Eventually humanity will likely be hit by a situation where this breaks down, leading to absolute carnage.

However, chances are that this virus is not the trigger to break the supply chain. At the moment it does not appear to be that serious. Of course there are still many unknowns about this virus.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:47PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I guessed that.

I wasn't joking about the freezer full of food though. But that's for convenience not stockpiling.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 12:47PM

jackboy wrote:

Supply chain breakdown is a very real risk to humanity. Most people do not understand how extremely fragile the food supply chain is. Eventually humanity will likely be hit by a situation where this breaks down, leading to absolute carnage.

Do you read full sentences of just random key words?

tom1ie · 22-02-2020 12:49PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

That’s a mindset..

So what are you doing at this moment to prepare for COVID19.

Hoarding guns and ammo, food water, medical supplies. 3/4” plywood for the windows.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:50PM

tromtipp wrote: »

The advice, given (rather crossly) by the politician charged with commenting on the response to the snow, was for all households, not just the 'vulnerable' - which could include anyone under 10, over 70, pregnant, asthmatic, diabetic - rather a lot of households will include someone who'd find extended cold or hunger a challenge.

How often have you lived wrapped in a blanket with little or no food for 10 days? Would you choose to do it again?

I an just imagine me and the cat eyeing each other up, wondering who'd be the first to crack and eat the other.

roflol! I have six cats! I know of someone once who died and was not found for a while and she had little left of her feet as the cats were hungry..

And there is no need with a little forethought and common sense to go without food and heating . I was once in a house that was all electric and the pipes burst, so now I aim to be multi fuelled. Gas cooker , solid fuel stove.

One useful item is a small camping stove too. Candles!

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:50PM

tromtipp wrote: »

How often have you lived wrapped in a blanket with little or no food for 10 days? Would you choose to do it again?

I probably don't do intermittent fasting as often as I should so probably only a few times a year.

all about the mane · 22-02-2020 12:51PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Things looking bleak in Iran

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1231157575707701248

Those are not the real numbers. Can’t base anything on that

RandomViewer · 22-02-2020 12:51PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Hoarding guns and ammo, food water, medical supplies. 3/4” plywood for the windows.

Stainless chequer plate for D 4, plywood would be too common

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 12:52PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

the speed at which the numbers of cases went from 0 to 28 is an indication of how many undetected cases are out there, same as in Italy. Now they have a new case popping up every hour

Rubbish yes it jumped from 0 to 28 in now time and yes a new case every hour.

But it will stop before it gets scary because

all about the mane · 22-02-2020 12:53PM

tromtipp wrote: »

Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

*This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.

Do you think there’s a market for nuclear bunkers here?

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 22-02-2020 12:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

You can make your own! Two layers kitchen roll cut in half, tissue in between, masking tape them together and hole punch for elastic bands to hold it on your ears. Then affix a sheet of acetate over the feet of a pair of glasses and use that as a splatter shield across your face.

22-02-2020 12:54PM

jackboy wrote: »

Supply chain breakdown is a very real risk to humanity. Most people do not understand how extremely fragile the food supply chain is. Eventually humanity will likely be hit by a situation where this breaks down, leading to absolute carnage.

However, chances are that this virus is not the trigger to break the supply chain. At the moment it does not appear to be that serious. Of course there are still many unknowns about this virus.

And any impact on the chain is made far worse by people filling freezers. I can see why they do it out of self-preservation at the expense of others, but I don't agree with it. A week or two I suppose is fine but months? The supply chain won't break to the point of there not being enough food. It just ends up in the hands of a few.

It's like a run on the banks. It's not that there isn't enough money. It's everyone panicking trying to get it at once. The first ones get all their savings meaning the last ones get nothing.

VinLieger · 22-02-2020 12:54PM

Pulled myself away from this mess for a few days but i thought things were slowing down.

South Koreas spike makes sense cus of the stupid ignorant religion involved, Italys cluster is also kinda explainable but wtf is happening in Iran?

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:55PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Rubbish yes it jumped from 0 to 28 in now time and yes a new case every hour.

But it will stop before it gets scary because

When ostrigest do this they actually rotating eggs.
This is preparation to help the survival of the eggs.
I don't think it is time for people to take such drastic measure yet anyway we are mammals so don't come from external eggs.

22-02-2020 12:56PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

In the lock down areas in Italy people are advised to wear them

https://www.livescience.com/respirators-prevent-coronavirus-infection-study.html

Wang and his co-authors went on to review infection data from the Huangmei People's Hospital and the Qichun People's Hospital, which each housed more than 10 infected patients during the time surveyed. As at the Zhongnan Hospital, no medical staff who wore N95 respirators and frequently washed their hands caught COVID-19.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/unmasked-experts-explain-necessary-respiratory-protection-covid-19

A respirator, such as an N95, fits tighter to the face and is meant to help protect the wearer from inhaling infectious droplets in the environment.

"We don't really know how the coronavirus is being transmitted from person to person, because no one has done the NIOSH studies that simulate the cough big droplets that land 3 to 6 feet away from a person or the little droplets that can travel long distances and in air handling system," Ribner said. "So we have to use what we know about other coronaviruses and influenza when it comes to this disease."

What we know, Ribner said, is that multiple modes of transmission are likely at play, including large droplets, small droplets (or aerosols), and contaminated hands.

more: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/respirator-use-faq.html

Masks help but limit the available supply to hospital staff which is why some places recommend 'not for general populations use' while in China they are not allowed out without a mask.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 01:00PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Pulled myself away from this mess for a few days but i thought things were slowing down.

South Koreas spike makes sense cus of the stupid ignorant religion involved, Italys cluster is also kinda explainable but wtf is happening in Iran?

how is Italy kind of explainable?

Iran and Italy - and any other country at this point - are dealing with the undetected cases out there

BanditLuke · 22-02-2020 01:02PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

Yes they had none just a few days ago and now 5 out of 28 are dead. But hey nothing to see here move along.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 01:04PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes they had none just a few days ago and now 5 out of 28 are dead. But hey nothing to see here move along.

Yes it really does make it seem improbable that the data coming out of Iran is accurate.

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 01:06PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes they had none just a few days ago and now 5 out of 28 are dead. But hey nothing to see here move along.

Look stop the silliness yes 5 people out of 28 are dead and this is very sad but let us remember this number is small it is not like this thing spreads or something.

The sensible thing to do is not buy anything extra or make any preparations.
Sure if you run out of food just ring for a pizza.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 01:08PM

tuxy wrote: »

Yes it really does make it seem improbable that the data coming out of Iran is accurate.

It's consistent with the data in Italy. They went from 3 cases to 45 in just 1 day. They were testing about 4,000 people yesterday, that's where the new cases came from

The only way to have accurate data is to go out and test people

tillyfilly · 22-02-2020 01:08PM

Big shop today , hoarded as much as the tractor could hold, soup beans and custard for the next year should the world end

odyssey06 · 22-02-2020 01:09PM

Excerpt from article in this week's New Scientist about the virus, my emphasis in bold.

Cases outside China are infecting fewer other people than expected, given the rate of spread in China. Using epidemic models, Justin Lessler at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland says this fits a situation in which only 10 per cent of cases are responsible for 80 per cent of transmission – in other words, most cases are caused by superspreaders...
If many places outside Wuhan “get lucky” and get few superspreaders, “this seems the most likely way a pandemic might be averted”, says Marc Lipsitch at Harvard University. However, Lipsitch says that seems a lot to hope for, given the number of countries with infections, and the likely number of missed cases. He predicts that covid-19 will go pandemic, infecting between 40 to 70 per cent of people globally. Lipsitch and Fisman both say that if that is going to happen, unexplained clusters of severe pneumonia in older people outside China will emerge in a few weeks...
The SARS coronavirus moved mainly via super-spreading and the epidemic died out. Whether that is likely to happen this time should become apparent soon.

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 01:11PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

It's consistent with the data in Italy. They went from 3 cases to 45 in just 1 day. They were testing about 4,000 people yesterday, that's where the new cases came from

The only way to have accurate data is to go out and test people

Nah can not agree with that.

The best way to handle this is to do no testing then you have NO confirmed cases.
And if somebody does fall ill just cover it up and call people tinfoil hat wackos sure we have no CONFIRMED cases sure we are grand.

Edit we could get the Garda they are great at doing tests we could have them pull over cars and do tests on the roadside then we would have some solid numbers to work on.

silverharp · 22-02-2020 01:16PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Look stop the silliness yes 5 people out of 28 are dead and this is very sad but let us remember this number is small it is not like this thing spreads or something.

The sensible thing to do is not buy anything extra or make any preparations.
Sure if you run out of food just ring for a pizza.

ask for extra napkins if you run out of toilet roll :pac:

22-02-2020 01:21PM

"Chinese authorities say a 70-year-old man in China's Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms for 27 days"
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11991604

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 01:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

"Chinese authorities say a 70-year-old man in China's Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms for 27 days"
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11991604

14 days is the official incubation time.

VinLieger · 22-02-2020 01:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Chinese authorities say a 70-year-old man in China's Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms for 27 days"
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11991604

Theres no way to confirm this, he could have come into contact with multiple other infected since then. With the severity in older people i do not believe he could go 27 days with no symptoms.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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