new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

tara73 · 21-02-2020 01:46PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think it’s more a case that everybody accepts it’s plausible/possible but it’s not really productive to make insinuations without credible evidence. I think it’s fair to ask the question but I’m not sure it’s helpful to dwell on the possibility while we have no way of knowing.

the whole thread here is dwelling on possibilities because everything is in the unknown, so I might dwell on this one!

megatron989 · 21-02-2020 01:47PM

[quote="dominatinMC;112603451"I'd be optimistic that countries can learn from the spread in China and be proactive about halting/containing the spread
[/quote]

You mean by using lockdowns etc to slow or hopefully stop any further spread? In which case I'd be really glad of a few extra supplies in the house and not need to go all Lord of the flys at my local lidl with the rest of the unprepared on day one 15 minutes after rte announce emergency measures.
Again I must ask, to anyone who is so adamant that no one should bother preparing, what's the harm?

Drumpot · 21-02-2020 01:51PM

tara73 wrote: »

the whole thread here is dwelling on possibilities because everything is in the unknown, so I might dwell on this one!

By all means Dwell away.

The approach I’m taking is to try to limit my dwelling to things I can realistically control/mitigate. Whether China made a boo boo by releasing the virus changes nothing for me personally.

silverharp · 21-02-2020 01:53PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

First case reported in Lebanon.

the person had been in Iran apparently

tara73 · 21-02-2020 01:56PM

Drumpot wrote: »

By all means Dwell away.

The approach I’m taking is to try to limit my dwelling to things I can realistically control/mitigate. Whether China made a boo boo by releasing the virus changes nothing for me personally.

yes, do your approach, I do mine so guess what, I'm not interested what changes for you personally or not, so please leave it be!

s7ryf3925pivug · 21-02-2020 01:58PM

Yeah every poor or authoritarian state is a potential or actual incubator for this thing. A real rain is coming.

Mic 1972 · 21-02-2020 02:01PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

"quite as rapidly" - that's putting it mildly. Outside of China (and maybe South Korea and Iran) the virus appears to be spreading very slowly and seems to be well under control. I don't know if that's due to undiagnosed cases or not, but the stats are showing that the rate of infection is nowhere near Wuhan - thankfully!

"It's inevitable unfortunately" - what exactly is inevitable? As alluded to above, outside of China (and possibly South Korea and Iran), reported cases are quite low. I know Japan has a large amount, but most of these originate from the ship. Most other countries have isolated cases, which appear benign - the UK for example. I don't have my head buried in the sand, but I'd like to think I'm rational about this situation and approach with caution rather than alarm. I'd be optimistic that countries can learn from the spread in China and be proactive about halting/containing the spread - which appears to be the case so far in a lot of countries. In this regard, I'm not sure it is "inevitable" as you put it.

Furthermore, I don't mean to single you out, but there are a lot of posters on here who seem to think likewise, that it will spread out-of-control across the world. Maybe it is some kind of schadenfreude, or that they want to be proved right in their doomsday prediction, but a lot of posters said last week that "the next week will tell alot about this virus" and guess what, here we are a week later and it doesn't appear to have escalated in the exponential manner predicted..

You can see how it's spreading outside China at the link below. As expected it started slow and now it's picking up pace
Scroll down to Total Cases Outsde China

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Drumpot · 21-02-2020 02:13PM

tara73 wrote: »

yes, do your approach, I do mine so guess what, I'm not interested what changes for you personally or not, so please leave it be!

I’m not sure how anything I have said warrants such an obnoxious/defensive reply. What exactly do you want to leave be?

I was only sharing what way I’m interpreting the potential reason as to how this started and confirming that most people wouldn’t discount an accident from the virus lab.

Call Me Jimmy · 21-02-2020 02:17PM

As I was saying last week, people were happy to say then that it hadn't spread to Africa, the Middle East and South America even without knowing anything about their testing capabilities or how many the countries even tested. Considering many of the countries involved this was wildly optimistic.

The counter said zero cases on that continent, so everything is fine. But many African countries only got the ability to test the other day. Iran didn't announce they had cases until they had 2 deaths, am I right? That sort of spreading going on seemingly without knowing is how you get a proper situation.

Ads By Google hasn't had work for weeks because of what? one or two cases in a neighboring town? This precedent has been set by China and others and as long as we don't know enough about the virus (delayed by China's opacity) we will see this reaction anywhere a couple of cases pop up.

fritzelly · 21-02-2020 02:22PM

Busy day for BNO I see

Mic 1972 · 21-02-2020 02:29PM

Poorer countries are not the only ones that may have hundreds of undetected cases walking around.
The only detected cases in Europe are those who came back from China and tested positive or people who rushed to hospital in severe conditions. No one else is being tested, there could be hundreds of people at this point around our cities with mild symptoms

tillyfilly · 21-02-2020 02:32PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Poorer countries are not the only ones that may have hundreds of undetected cases walking around.
The only detected cases in Europe are those who came back from China and tested positive or people who rushed to hospital in severe conditions. No one else is being tested, there could be hundreds of people at this point around our cities with mild symptoms

You can’t say it’s not the end of the world if they don’t get this sorted, extreme thinking and behaviour and attitudes are required, it’s the end of the world for some people

BlaktainPicard · 21-02-2020 02:33PM

Has the world ended yet ?
No, ok Iĺl check back in 2 weeks

Kermit.de.frog · 21-02-2020 02:35PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230831690496520192

18 confirmed cases in Iran, 4 dead.

Also following the BNO tweets Italy has 6 new confirmed cases today bringing total to 9 there.

Mic 1972 · 21-02-2020 02:36PM

tillyfilly wrote: »

You can’t say it’s not the end of the world if they don’t get this sorted, extreme thinking and behaviour and attitudes are required, it’s the end of the world for some people

The thing is, even in the worst possible scenario, 80% of people have mild symptoms, they would survive with little impact on their health
This should be enough to keep the world going

21-02-2020 02:37PM

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

Has the world ended yet ?
No, ok Iĺl check back in 2 weeks

In 2 weeks it'll be too late! Come back in a week.

Mic 1972 · 21-02-2020 02:47PM

Italy is taking strong measures, 3 small cities are now on lock down, almost 40K people in total. Anybody who traveled in the area in the last 14 days is required to self quarantine too
I hope Ireland will be able to replicate this type of approach when the virus gets here

BanditLuke · 21-02-2020 02:56PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Italy is taking strong measures, 3 small cities are now on lock down, almost 40K people in total. Anybody who traveled in the area in the last 14 days is required to self quarantine too
I hope Ireland will be able to replicate this type of approach when the virus gets here

:pac: Yeah right. We can't even stop a few travellers from racing horses down a motorway at rush hour.

laurah591 · 21-02-2020 03:12PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230847102890266625

This is so sad:(

wakka12 · 21-02-2020 03:14PM

8 more cases in Japan in 6 different regions, 3 of which are in Tokyo. Japan is the third country to reach over 100 cases, with 107 now

tuxy · 21-02-2020 03:26PM

laurah591 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230847102890266625

This is so sad:(

This is a child abuse case, I don't believe there is anything linking this to the virus.
That twitter account is really feeding off peoples fears.

BanditLuke · 21-02-2020 03:29PM

laurah591 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230847102890266625

This is so sad:(

Absolutely terrible.

laurah591 · 21-02-2020 03:30PM

tuxy wrote: »

This is a child abuse case, I don't believe there is anything linking this to the virus.
That twitter account is really feeding off peoples fears.

I kinda agree but still think that story is horrific and sad

s7ryf3925pivug · 21-02-2020 03:34PM

laurah591 wrote: »

I kinda agree but still think that story is horrific and sad

Absolutely. But it's not related to the virus.

tromtipp · 21-02-2020 03:39PM

I read somewhere, probably on here, that Africa still has limited ability to test - some countries still unable to test at all - and that there may be cases there that haven't been identified - seems reasonable considering how much Chinese business there is across the continent.

So I wondered what's happening in South America - again there's loads of business contact, and also a lot of Chinese fishing up the Pacific coast. Is there any screening in any of the countries with potential exposure? So far the only case I've seen reported was a woman in Honduras who had been in Taiwan.

Seems odd that the disease in spreading westwards but not eastwards.

tuxy · 21-02-2020 03:40PM

tromtipp wrote: »

I read somewhere, probably on here, that Africa still has limited ability to test - some countries still unable to test at all - and that there may be cases there that haven't been identified - seems reasonable considering how much Chinese business there is across the continent.

Every country in the world has limited ability to test.
Some of the poorer African nations have no ability to test at all.
In there countries there are many medial issues that are far more pressing than the virus.

bodhrandude · 21-02-2020 03:41PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, apparently they didn’t test them.

Surely they are in isolation though or self isolation

cnocbui · 21-02-2020 03:42PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Italy is taking strong measures, 3 small cities are now on lock down, almost 40K people in total. Anybody who traveled in the area in the last 14 days is required to self quarantine too
I hope Ireland will be able to replicate this type of approach when the virus gets here

Are you forgetting that we have been told that we are special and that it wont be coming here? Chill; were safe, nothing can touch us because we have the HSE and they don't.

wakka12 · 21-02-2020 03:49PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f7c2c1/japan_reports_a_total_of_1296_pcr_tests_has_been/
Japan has only tested a total of 532 people on the mainland !! They are certainly very relaxed about this anyway. Thats almost a 20% positive outcome of tesing, many smaller countries have performed several thousand tests already with less than ten positive results

Drumpot · 21-02-2020 03:50PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Are you forgetting that we have been told that we are special and that it wont be coming here? Chill; were safe, nothing can touch us because we have the HSE and they don't.

Irish people are inherently immune from bad news. It’s a science thing.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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