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Yurt2 · 20-02-2020 10:53AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Your making progress by accepting the heavy infiltration of the IRA and Sinn Fein by British intelligence.

It's public knowledge that there was MI5 infiltration of SF and the republican movement generally during the troubles. Whether the superlative 'heavy' applies you and I can only speculate on.

And we have scant evidence this is the case today. And by scant, I mean there is none.

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 10:57AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Your making progress by accepting the heavy infiltration of the IRA and Sinn Fein by British intelligence.

Yeh sure SS, I just picked up a copy of the 'current secret British intelligence documents', fascinating reading altogether.
Get yours free in the Daily Mail all this week!

SafeSurfer · 20-02-2020 11:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh sure SS, I just picked up a copy of the 'current secret British intelligence documents', fascinating reading altogether.
Get yours free in the Daily Mail all this week!

It’s not just a river in Egypt you know!

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 11:42AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s not just a river in Egypt you know!

No denial SS, just fascinated by it all.

I cannot wait to meet the genius in British Intelligence that came up with the idea.

Infiltrate SF and the IRA, get them to call a ceasefire, sign a peace agreement, decommission, and then get them to power in the south in order to get into government and undermine and control the Irish state.

I mean, it is just such a simple, cunning plan isn't it?

SafeSurfer · 20-02-2020 11:48AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No denial SS, just fascinated by it all.

I cannot wait to meet the genius in British Intelligence that came up with the idea.

Infiltrate SF and the IRA, get them to call a ceasefire, sign a peace agreement, decommission, and then get them to power in the south in order to get into government and undermine and control the Irish state.

I mean, it is just such a simple, cunning plan isn't it?

Do you think it’s the first conflict in the world where intelligence services just give up highly placed intelligence assets?

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 11:55AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Do you think it’s the first conflict in the world where intelligence services just give up highly placed intelligence assets?

Do you think they 'gave them up' after the previous 'conflict' 100 years ago? Or maybe that was the first one?

Does this cut both ways? Does SF and the 'RA have spooks in the British government?

So many questions!

woohoo!!! · 20-02-2020 12:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do you think they 'gave them up' after the previous 'conflict' 100 years ago? Or maybe that was the first one?

Does this cut both ways? Does SF and the 'RA have spooks in the British government?

So many questions!

Yes, it's important to worry about the spooks and double agents of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Meanwhile in today's reality, a suspect device is left outside John Finucanes uncles house. But there's no votes in that.

Water John · 20-02-2020 12:31PM

The Dail meets at 12 today. Looks like not a lot will be done except elect a CC.

efanton · 20-02-2020 07:55PM

Its going to be a magic moment when Mary Lou is elected as Taoiseach, when a vote finally does take place.
She walked in to the Dail today with 45 votes already confirmed for her and no doubt another half dozen from the independents and various left of centre parties when the voting starts.

Cant see either Leo or Martin getting close to that number unless they decide that TD's from both FG and FF vote for Martin.
I really cant see that happening, that would be one bitter pill too many for FG.

maccored · 20-02-2020 08:28PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Your making progress by accepting the heavy infiltration of the IRA and Sinn Fein by British intelligence.

so you do think the brits were fighting themselves is what you are claiming. yes? you do realise how stupid that sounds?

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 08:29PM

efanton wrote: »

Its going to be a magic moment when Mary Lou is elected as Taoiseach, when a vote finally does take place.
She walked in to the Dail today with 45 votes already confirmed for her and no doubt another half dozen from the independents and various left of centre parties when the voting starts.

Cant see either Leo or Martin getting close to that number unless they decide that TD's from both FG and FF vote for Martin.
I really cant see that happening, that would be one bitter pill too many for FG.

Only 35 more to go. You seem more confident than she was though.

James Brown · 20-02-2020 08:43PM

efanton wrote: »

Its going to be a magic moment when Mary Lou is elected as Taoiseach, when a vote finally does take place.
She walked in to the Dail today with 45 votes already confirmed for her and no doubt another half dozen from the independents and various left of centre parties when the voting starts.

Cant see either Leo or Martin getting close to that number unless they decide that TD's from both FG and FF vote for Martin.
I really cant see that happening, that would be one bitter pill too many for FG.

The Greens were trying to be clever. Run their own lad meaning they'll not be expected to vote for anyone else. Pretty Lilly livered.

efanton · 20-02-2020 08:55PM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Only 35 more to go. You seem more confident than she was though.

Mary Lou got 45, against 84

No I wasn't confident but I had hoped. It would have changed politics in this country utterly and that can only be a good thing.

It would be an end to parties thinking they have an inherent right to rule the country with a fraction of the national vote, to nepotism, to the parish pump politics, continued sheer incompetence, and who knows SF might even surprise us all and actually do a great job in government. Even if they were not the greatest government this country ever had it would still be a good thing for this country in my opinion.

If nothing else i would serve as a serious kick up the hole to those parties that have abused their terms in government and not worked for the benefit of the majority of the people. Every future elections will now be approached differently by every party. No longer will it be the revolving door where if a party is kicked out of government they need only wait 4 years to get back in again. It now might be 8 or 12 years. If nothing else any government elected from now on will have to pull its socks up from day one and deliver on their program of government or accept they will be on the opposition benches for a very considerable time. The same for any TD fortunate enough to be elected Taoiseach.

Loafing Oaf · 20-02-2020 09:11PM

efanton wrote: »

Mary Lou got 45, against 84

No I wasn't confident but I had hoped.

Do we take this as signal of how little serious enthusiasm for SF leadership there is among the independents and consequently of just how difficult for SF to build its targeted non-FF/FG coalition?

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 09:17PM

efanton wrote: »

Mary Lou got 45, against 84

No I wasn't confident but I had hoped. It would have changed politics in this country utterly and that can only be a good thing.

It would be an end to parties thinking they have an inherent right to rule the country with a fraction of the national vote, to nepotism, to the parish pump politics, continued sheer incompetence, and who knows SF might even surprise us all and actually do a great job in government. Even if they were not the greatest government this country ever had it would still be a good thing for this country in my opinion.

If nothing else i would serve as a serious kick up the hole to those parties that have abused their terms in government and not worked for the benefit of the majority of the people. Every future elections will now be approached differently by every party. No longer will it be the revolving door where if a party is kicked out of government they need only wait 4 years to get back in again. It now might be 8 or 12 years. If nothing else any government elected from now on will have to pull its socks up from day one and deliver on their program of government or accept they will be on the opposition benches for a very considerable time. The same for any TD fortunate enough to be elected Taoiseach.

What happened to “and no doubt another half dozen from the independents and various left of centre parties when the voting starts”. Were they all going to the toilet at the wrong time?

McMurphy · 20-02-2020 09:24PM

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 09:26PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The people decided they wanted more scrounges and voted in Violet-Anne. They decided they wanted more anti-semitism and voted in Cronin.

Amirani · 20-02-2020 09:30PM

efanton wrote: »

Mary Lou got 45, against 84

No I wasn't confident but I had hoped. It would have changed politics in this country utterly and that can only be a good thing.

It would be an end to parties thinking they have an inherent right to rule the country with a fraction of the national vote.

Sinn Fein only have a fraction of the national vote. The have no more right than Fianna Fail to rule the country.

Gooey Looey · 20-02-2020 09:37PM

Amirani wrote: »

Sinn Fein only have a fraction of the national vote. The have no more right than Fianna Fail to rule the country.

Lets go back to the polling booth then

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 09:38PM

Amirani wrote: »

Sinn Fein only have a fraction of the national vote. The have no more right than Fianna Fail to rule the country.

Less than 25% of first preference, wasn’t it?

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 09:51PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Lets go back to the polling booth then

Giving up on the grand coalition already?

efanton · 20-02-2020 09:57PM

Amirani wrote: »

Sinn Fein only have a fraction of the national vote. The have no more right than Fianna Fail to rule the country.

Absolutely, but until they get the chance to prove themselves in government I am willing to keep an open mind.

If SF were in government and failed miserably I would be saying the exact same thing about them as I am about FF and FG.

But would you not agree that having three big parties can only be a good thing for the country?

Without the revolving door, parties fortunate to be able to form a government will now have to actually deliver. As far as I am concerned if that makes a FF led , a FG led or indeed a SF led government more determined to deliver on their policies, less tolerant of ministers that are no up to scratch and more careful with regards the spending of public money it can only benefit every citizen of the country no matter which party they may support.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2020 10:03PM

The aftermath of the election has been great for Boards, multiple new accounts opened old accounts taken down and dusted off to offer insights. Always a bright side. ;-)

JohnnyFlash · 20-02-2020 10:10PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Lets go back to the polling booth then

An excellent idea I think.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2020 10:12PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

An excellent idea I think.

I doubt many of the FG and FF TD's who scrapped over the line recently would share your enthusiasm.

Brendan Bendar · 20-02-2020 10:13PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I doubt many of the FG and FF TD's who scrapped over the line recently would share your enthusiasm.

You might be surprised.

elperello · 20-02-2020 10:15PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I doubt many of the FG and FF TD's who scrapped over the line recently would share your enthusiasm.

Or maybe the TD's representing smaller left wing parties who were elected on SF transfers.

Spanish Eyes · 20-02-2020 10:20PM

A. Another election.

B. A compromise with FF (not likely)

C. A compromise with FG (highly unlikely)

D. A rainbow Left but not enough numbers, so a minority Gov. Best for me. Let them at it. Put their money where their mouths are.

If another election proves SF to be the winners I will be delighted. They are sh!tting themselves that this might happen though. The permanent Opposition might get a wake up call, but they deserve a go at leading the country don't they?

JohnnyFlash · 20-02-2020 10:23PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I doubt many of the FG and FF TD's who scrapped over the line recently would share your enthusiasm.

Oh I’m not too sure about that, dude.

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 10:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

A. Another election.

B. A compromise with FF (not likely)

C. A compromise with FG (highly unlikely)

D. A rainbow Left but not enough numbers, so a minority Gov. Best for me. Let them at it. Put their money where their mouths are.

If another election proves SF to be the winners I will be delighted. They are sh!tting themselves that this might happen though. The permanent Opposition might get a wake up call, but they deserve a go at leading the country don't they?

How do you know they are 'sh!tting themselves'?

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