GE Exit Poll 10 pm

FrancieBrady · 20-02-2020 11:26PM

L1011 wrote: »

The fact that they were ever her views (all of the nonsense that's been dragged up) suggests she is unsuitable to hold public office. Easily lead and reactionary.

Well don't vote for her.
I didn't vote for several candidates here for that reason.

AlmightyCushion · 20-02-2020 11:36PM

Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.

L1011 · 20-02-2020 11:41PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.

Even if there was an ABFFG thing occurring, the number of Independents that are FF or FG genepool ensures that there is no majority. McGrath, Healey Rae 1&2, Naughten, Lowry, Murphy wouldn't touch such a grouping and it seems that Berry and Canney wouldn't either.

FF+ragbag and FG+ragbag would also fail due to the split line in those FF/FG genepool independents.

This isn't 1948 where there just about was an ABFF with the most cobbled together coalition going.

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 11:47PM

L1011 wrote: »

Even if there was an ABFFG thing occurring, the number of Independents that are FF or FG genepool ensures that there is no majority. McGrath, Healey Rae 1&2, Naughten, Lowry, Murphy wouldn't touch such a grouping and it seems that Berry and Canney wouldn't either.

FF+ragbag and FG+ragbag would also fail due to the split line in those FF/FG genepool independents.

This isn't 1948 where there just about was an ABFF with the most cobbled together coalition going.

Maybe SF will provide confidence and supply to the coalition. In the interests of the country.

AlmightyCushion · 20-02-2020 11:51PM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Maybe SF will provide confidence and supply to the coalition. In the interests of the country.

I can't see that happening.

n97 mini · 20-02-2020 11:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Skepticism about the real beliefs of politicians is something that is healthy to have. All of them.

The point I was making that she has done what others have done and have been allowed to move on. And nobody tried to imply that a TD speaking out of line represented the views of the party. But that seems to be always the case with a Shinner when one of theirs messes up.

Make your own mind up about that.

My own mind would say SF should have suspended her for 3 months, at the very least. Same with yer one in Clare. SF seem to be doing Renua levels of vetting (ie feck all) of candidates.

L1011 · 20-02-2020 11:56PM

n97 mini wrote: »

My own mind would say SF should have suspended her for 3 months, at the very least. Same with yer one in Clare. SF seem to be doing Renua levels of vetting (ie feck all) of candidates.

Cronin was a Councillor for 5 years - they were perfectly OK with her until the national media had reason to raise an issue. Champion wasn't going to cover it because she bought ads!

cameramonkey · 20-02-2020 11:57PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.

the sennanagins in the Dail today was just an charade. Ryan pretending he was going to be our number one leader was a joke. He can later use it as a fig leaf when he goes into a coalition with FF/FG, no other combination will hold water for more than a few weeks.

Martin Lanigan · 20-02-2020 11:59PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I can't see that happening.

They should be putting the country first, just like they were calling on FF and FG to do only last week. What is good for the goose ...

AlmightyCushion · 21-02-2020 12:07AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

the sennanagins in the Dail today was just an charade. Ryan pretending he was going to be our number one leader was a joke. He can later use it as a fig leaf when he goes into a coalition with FF/FG, no other combination will hold water for more than a few weeks.

Doesn't that always happen though? It's not like they expect everyone to vote for Ryan but they don't vote for another party's leader until a coalition has been decided. It would be a bit stupid if they voted for Michael Martin and then a few weeks from now go into coalition with Sinn Fein or Fine Gael and vote for Mary Lou or Varadker.

Plumbthedepths · 21-02-2020 12:14AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

If the lady in question makes her legacy tweets public again without any cleansing then I’ll provide proof.

She claimed Jewish bankers controlled and put Hitler into power. Israel did not exist in the 1930’s, you attempt to muddy the waters is not working.

Still no proof of her denying the Holocaust as you claimed. Easy to dismiss you tbh.

n97 mini · 21-02-2020 12:28AM

L1011 wrote: »

Cronin was a Councillor for 5 years - they were perfectly OK with her until the national media had reason to raise an issue. Champion wasn't going to cover it because she bought ads!

And still is. Full page "Thank you" ad in the most recent edition.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 12:30AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Still no proof of her denying the Holocaust as you claimed. Easy to dismiss you tbh.

Yeah, strange that she, Mary Lou and McDoherty felt the need to apologise. Clearly nothing to see here.

Plumbthedepths · 21-02-2020 12:44AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Yeah, strange that she, Mary Lou and McDoherty felt the need to apologise. Clearly nothing to see here.

Was her apology relating to a denial of the Holocaust? Easily linked if it is the case.

markodaly · 21-02-2020 12:56AM

Tony EH wrote: »

She didn't. Stop your lying.

Her exact words were "Those wars were instigated and funded by the banks of royal families of Europe."

She didn't say what you claimed, nor did she deny the holocaust like you also claimed. She may be a gobshite, that bangs on about fluoride in the water and other nonsense. But she's nowhere near what you are lying about.

Until more tweets from her come out, there is nothing to suggest what you're saying has any truth to it. But I suspect you're just another re reg troll, who's content has left a lot to be desired so far.

So we agree she is another anti-vax lunatic and an anti-semite to boot, as well as having David Icke type views on the Royal Families.
A great addition to our Dail!

These new SF TD's are the gift that keeps on giving. I can imagine the shock and horror of people who voted for these lunatics, they move their vote elsewhere unless MLD fires them from SF.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:03AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was her apology relating to a denial of the Holocaust? Easily linked if it is the case.

She (and they) had the sense not to repeat her offensive comments in the apology.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:08AM

Strange, she has now deleted her twitter account.

https://mobile.twitter.com/readacronin?lang=en

limnam · 21-02-2020 01:18AM

markodaly wrote: »

These new SF TD's are the gift that keeps on giving. I can imagine the shock and horror of people who voted for these lunatics, they move their vote elsewhere unless MLD fires them from SF.

You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.

Plumbthedepths · 21-02-2020 01:18AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

She (and they) had the sense not to repeat her offensive comments in the apology.

Comments you claimed she made but can't provide proof of? lol.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Comments you claimed she made but can't provide proof of? lol.

She has deleted her Twitter account and all the 125k plus tweets. How do you expect me to provide proof when she / SF have deleted all the proof?

limnam · 21-02-2020 01:24AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

She has deleted her Twitter account and all the 125k plus tweets. How do you expect me to provide proof when she / SF have deleted all the proof?

So now you're going to make up any auld rubbish that was on the feed but have no proof of it?

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:24AM

limnam wrote: »

You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.

Keep believing that. But Reada Cronin will not be nominated if there is another election.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:25AM

limnam wrote: »

So now you're going to make up any auld rubbish that was on the feed but have no proof of it?

Rubbish like you claiming not to support or vote for SF?

markodaly · 21-02-2020 01:26AM

limnam wrote: »

You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.

The election is over

Yes, people do care about day to day things, but they will not want to be represented by lunatics either who spout nonesense.

limnam · 21-02-2020 01:26AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Keep believing that. But Reada Cronin will not be nominated if there is another election.

The scary thing is.

They might get so many in the next time, they don't need her.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:26AM

limnam wrote: »

So now you're going to make up any auld rubbish that was on the feed but have no proof of it?

What has she got to hide? Why is she not willing to stand over her tweets?

markodaly · 21-02-2020 01:27AM

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Keep believing that. But Reada Cronin will not be nominated if there is another election.

100%

The SF vote was a protest vote, its like the wind, here today, gone tomorrow.
If SF go into government, then that vote will dissappear because they over promised on everything.

Martin Lanigan · 21-02-2020 01:27AM

limnam wrote: »

The scary thing is.

They might get so many in the next time, they don't need her.

Yet you are here defending the indefensible.

limnam · 21-02-2020 01:28AM

markodaly wrote: »

but they will not want to be represented by lunatics either who spout nonesense.

They've put up with it for decades.

Professor Moriarty · 21-02-2020 01:29AM

limnam wrote: »

You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.

What a load of bollocks.