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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #7442
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Id be interested to know what the potential downsides are to rushing a vaccine. Laws of unintended consequences are difficult to mitigate if you havent had as much time to do a SWOT analysis of sorts.

    Dont know what the full list of claimed side effects were, but one such claimed side of effect of the Swine Flu vaccine was narcolepsy.


  • #7443
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Id be interested to know what the potential downsides are to rushing a vaccine. Laws of unintended consequences are difficult to mitigate if you havent had as much time to do a SWOT analysis of sorts.

    Have we not seen this in the claims of narcolepsy (wrong spelling) following swine flu vacine. Was there not a case brought before the courts against the high court recently?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/woman-settles-case-alleging-swine-flu-vaccine-link-to-narcolepsy-1.4088119


  • #7444
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭tara73


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    lets leave the PC bs aside, my mother had 2 chinese girls staying in her house last year - and they were extremely wealthy , they left their rooms with ****ty tissues in the bins, they DESTROYED the jacks, she needed to get them professionally cleaned - I was in China myself years ago and it was normal to see people spit on the floor in public buidlings, trains, buses ... disgusting ...


    same says my friend who lives in Beijing at the moment. told the story here somebody spit on her leg on a bus. I think it's ridiculous being called racist pointing out (negative) factual common cultural behaviour from a nation.


  • #7445
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Dont know what the full list of claimed side effects were, but one such claimed side of effect of the Swine Flu vaccine was narcolepsy.

    That’s not the worst side effect in the world...


  • #7446
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/19/hospitals-across-the-us-prepare-for-coronavirus-outbreak-to-become-global-pandemic.html
    US Hospitals prepare for global pandemic
    “This is the time to open up your pandemic plans and see that things are in order,” Dr. Anne Schuchat, a top official of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, urged hospitals last week.
    That is quite a change of tune in a few days from the CDC


    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f6tqoe/south_korea_considers_raising_virus_alert_level/
    South Korea considers raising virus alert level from "orange" to "red"; a meeting will take place on Friday morning - Yonhap


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  • #7447
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Drumpot wrote: »
    That’s not the worst side effect in the world...

    It depends on how many people injure themselves or die from it.
    Just imagine the chaos of a city full of people with this side effect.


  • #7448
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    That’s not the worst side effect in the world...

    You'd think until the havoc it would cause on your daily life. Walking down the stairs.. bang.. behind the wheel of a car (shouldn't drive obviously), walking on the street, on an escalator etc. You'd literally need to live your life in a giant bubble football, to avoid busting your head open every five minutes.


  • #7449
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Great news :) (not a single like)

    Yeah but at the same time they did say it wouldn't possibly be developed till 18 months - two years time, so there could be a lot of fatalities during that wait.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7450
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    tuxy wrote: »
    It depends on how many people injure themselves or die from it.
    Just imagine the chaos of a city full of people with this side effect.
    givyjoe wrote: »
    You'd think until the havoc it would cause on your daily life. Walking down the stairs.. bang.. behind the wheel of a car (shouldn't drive obviously), walking on the street, on an escalator etc. You'd literally need to live your life in a giant bubble football, to avoid busting your head open every five minutes.

    That’s true to be fair. I suppose I was thinking of a far worse side effect like ending up with no immune system or going mad (like in “I am legend”).


  • #7451
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Uk stats:
    As of 20 February, a total of 5,549 people have been tested, of which 5,540 were confirmed negative and 9 positive

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public


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  • #7452
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Drumpot wrote: »
    That’s not the worst side effect in the world...

    It is if you drive, fly an aeroplane or operating complex machinery. My friend got the swine flu jab in 2009 in Galway and he has suffered from narcolepsy since that, he his trying to bring a case against his GP too.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7453
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    It's interesting there have been a lot of nervous people in this thread (including myself) but a UK forum I frequent has been quite calm all the way. That's changed in the last few days. Hopefully we are all worrying over nothing though, surely we can take comfort at least for now in there being no new cases in Europe. Touches wood...


  • #7454
    littlemac1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭littlemac1980


    For those of you on this thread interested in the stats and numbers coming out of China, it appears that in advance of reporting the +394 cases yesterday China changed the reporting criteria to exclude (once again) positive clinical diagnosis tests in Hubei province.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20/data-mistrust-grows-as-hubei-changes-virus-count-method-again


  • #7455
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's interesting there have been a lot of nervous people in this thread (including myself) but a UK forum I frequent has been quite calm all the way. That's changed in the last few days. Hopefully we are all worrying over nothing though, surely we can take comfort at least for now in there being no new cases in Europe. Touches wood...
    I wonder why there is a change in attitude? The UK has has 9 confirmed cases, and nothing since. Appears to be well under control over there..


  • #7456
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    fr336 wrote: »
    That's changed in the last few days. Hopefully we are all worrying over nothing though, surely we can take comfort at least for now in there being no new cases in Europe. Touches wood...

    That’s interesting, I had been more nervous but had felt we maybe had dodged the bullet over last few days. Could it be reporting of the ship? Hopefully South Korea numbers down tomorrow and not up.


  • #7457
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's interesting there have been a lot of nervous people in this thread (including myself) but a UK forum I frequent has been quite calm all the way. That's changed in the last few days. Hopefully we are all worrying over nothing though, surely we can take comfort at least for now in there being no new cases in Europe. Touches wood...

    Could you link it please would be interested in having a gawk, I'm also following a thread in We Are The Music Makers Forum, a forum dedicated to electronic artists like Aphex Twin and Squarepusher and even the Glastonbury chat forum in Efestivals has a coronavirus thread.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7458
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    I wonder why there is a change in attitude? The UK has has 9 confirmed cases, and nothing since. Appears to be well under control over there..

    Indeed. But I think the Japan thing has spooked people who may not have been too worried before. Here's the site for those who asked https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2367521/chinese-mystery-coronavirus/p68


  • #7459
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    I wonder why there is a change in attitude? The UK has has 9 confirmed cases, and nothing since. Appears to be well under control over there..

    Korea and Japan I'd say.


  • #7460
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Drumpot wrote: »
    That’s not the worst side effect in the world...

    :confused:Do you know what narcolepsy is and does? Normal life is not possible with it. A major illness


  • #7461
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    The Olympics wont be going ahead , I'd be shocked if they do at this stage


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  • #7462
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Lads and Lassies we're more than halfway through this thread already, hopefully there might not be a Coronavirus thread chapter 2 but maybe capitalise the thread title the next time around. ;)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7463
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Lads and Lassies we're more than halfway through this thread already, hopefully there might not be a Coronavirus thread chapter 2 but maybe capitalise the thread title the next time around. ;)

    lol you've ran a sustained campaign for those capitals :D:D:D


  • #7464
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Could you link it please would be interested in having a gawk, I'm also following a thread in We Are The Music Makers Forum, a forum dedicated to electronic artists like Aphex Twin and Squarepusher and even the Glastonbury chat forum in Efestivals has a coronavirus thread.

    The OH would dip in and out of the UK forum Mumsnet - seems it's way ahead of us and is on it's third thread relating to the Corona virus atm...

    https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3826144-to-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-3?pg=1&order=


  • #7465
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The Olympics wont be going ahead , I'd be shocked if they do at this stage

    It was on the news today that London would be capable and willing to host if it falls through in Tokyo so it will still go ahead regardless


  • #7466
    rebeve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Do you know if it’s true that China has a culture of spitting? If so , I would of thought it’s a reasonable (not racist) question to ask if this has any bearing on the spread.

    A few lady friends of mine visited China a few years ago , lovely country but they did notice the men did a lot of spitting .


  • #7467
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It was on the news today that London would be capable and willing to host if it falls through in Tokyo so it will still go ahead regardless

    I'll eat my hat if that happens. Londoners would be livid given the state of their transport system at present if another Olympics where allowed.


  • #7468
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It was on the news today that London would be capable and willing to host if it falls through in Tokyo so it will still go ahead regardless

    I would imagine japan would seek to postpone if worst came to pass rather than let the uk hold them.


  • #7469
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Daily update from Worldometer

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Closed Cases= 18,997
    Recovered / Discharged = 16,867 (89%)
    Deaths = 2,130 (11%)

    Time to recovery seems longer than time to death, as a result the death rate has gone down to 11%, this is what i was expecting. This rate should continue to go down as recoveries are increasing in bigger numbers than deaths

    Total Corona Cases = 75,775
    Recovered = 16,867 (22%)
    Deaths = 2,130 (3%)

    On the other hand, due to a decrease in daily new cases v increased daily deaths, the Death Rate that includes open cases has now gone up to 3%


  • #7470
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Daily update from Snow Garden

    Total cases in Ireland: 0
    Total deaths to date: 0
    Total people stockpiling: 29,300 (up 1,780)

    It's very worrying.


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  • #7471
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    BBC interview about coronavirus containment
    03:30 -"We have to accept it as part of our daily lives now, this isnt the first and it isnt going to be the last"
    03:07 - "The virus may stay with us. It may be something that can't be eradicated''
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fZPc1YYM8xw&feature=emb_title


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