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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I am sure they have nothing to fear as long as they keep following their handlers instructions.

    The worst of it is many of the top republicans were compromised into becoming British intelligence agents because of their penchant for pedaphellia.


    Terrible Joe. It's a disgrace Joe. Supergrasses and touts the lot of them Joe.


    **Tuts under breath**


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Any reason for SF not fielding a candidate in every constituency in the recent general election?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Sure they did, that's why they let them bomb the heart of their financial district and force them to drop decommissioning and get on with signing a deal Unionists detest until this very day.

    Sure SS, sure. :)

    And why Freddie Scappaticci is still walking around today and why the British agents inside the IRA survived after the IRA stole the intelligence files from Castlereagh.

    Even Kieran Conway, Head of IRA intelligence admits the IRA were compromised to the point of being ineffective. I think his words were “a complete and utter defeat”.

    If you ever want to see what victory looks like take a look at the Russian infantryman flying the Hammer & Sickle from the burning embers of the Reichstag.

    Compare that with a cavalcade of a dozen black taxi drivers waving tricolours claiming “we won the war”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    And why Freddie Scappaticci is still walking around today and why the British agents inside the IRA survived after the IRA stole the intelligence files from Castlereagh.

    Even Kieran Conway, Head of IRA intelligence admits the IRA were compromised to the point of being ineffective. I think his words were “a complete and utter defeat”.

    If you ever want to see what victory looks like take a look at the Russian infantryman flying the Hammer & Sickle from the burning embers of the Reichstag.

    Compare that with a cavalcade of a dozen black taxi drivers waving tricolours claiming “we won the war”.

    It's over SS...relax.

    Everyone usually claims they were the winners after a conflict.

    I take it all with a pinch of salt and just look at the situations the combatants are in now, compared to the one they were in before it started.


    You should try it sometime and decommission the propaganda files.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Whatever about numbers the Shinners are certainly bad with security. Half of all leading republicans were recruited as British intelligence agents. Sinn Fein were heavily infiltrated with British intelligence agents. Heck, even the IRA’s head of counterintelligence was a British agent.
    Sinn Fein aren’t the Manchurian Candidate, they are the Manchurian Party.




    ...bit odd that the Brits did a deal with them then so. Bit mad, in fact. Almost like they didn't actually have them in the position you're implying.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Whatever about numbers the Shinners are certainly bad with security. Half of all leading republicans were recruited as British intelligence agents. Sinn Fein were heavily infiltrated with British intelligence agents. Heck, even the IRA’s head of counterintelligence was a British agent.
    Sinn Fein aren’t the Manchurian Candidate, they are the Manchurian Party.

    I dont think true republicans should be taking it at all lightly, that with SF/IRA so infiltrated by British agents, what the south is verging ever closer to with the increase in SF representation at its political nexus, is in fact the UK retaking control of the all Ireland. All the 'up-the-ra', 'Come Outside now Black and Tans', etc stuff is all part of a cover. The greater the outrage, the better they are dismissed as brainless terrorists - and the closer the UK comes to reuniting the full Kingdom. The irony of them having done it through SF/IRA itself is exquisite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I dont think true republicans should be taking it at all lightly, that with SF/IRA so infiltrated by British agents, what the south is verging ever closer to with the increase in SF representation at its political nexus, is in fact the UK retaking control of the all Ireland. All the 'up-the-ra', 'Come Outside now Black and Tans', etc stuff is all part of a cover. The greater the outrage, the better they are dismissed as brainless terrorists - and the closer the UK comes to reuniting the full Kingdom. The irony of them having done it through SF/IRA itself is exquisite.

    Have you told John Bruton this? He'll be only delighted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I dont think true republicans should be taking it at all lightly, that with SF/IRA so infiltrated by British agents, what the south is verging ever closer to with the increase in SF representation at its political nexus, is in fact the UK retaking control of the all Ireland. All the 'up-the-ra', 'Come Outside now Black and Tans', etc stuff is all part of a cover. The greater the outrage, the better they are dismissed as brainless terrorists - and the closer the UK comes to reuniting the full Kingdom. The irony of them having done it through SF/IRA itself is exquisite.

    The full truth about the extent of British intelligence infiltration of the IRA will remain secret until the 100 year release of state papers. To do so earlier would be detrimental to the peace process. One can however draw one's own conclusions.
    The truth remains that many, many senior republicans were compromised and became British intelligence agents.
    Few would argue over their influence in the ultimate capitulation of physical force republicanism, as directed by their British paymasters. Many would argue that this influence was a force for good as no doubt it saved lives. How the British intelligence service decides to use these compromised senior republicans and whether they would be used to advance British aims from within a future Irish government is a question that should concern us all.

    These are the questions that should be of most concern about Sinn Fein in government. Not anti semitism, racism, hate speech, welfare fraud or any of the other allegations being thrown at them.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    The full truth about the extent of British intelligence infiltration of the IRA will remain secret until the 100 year release of state papers. To do so earlier would be detrimental to the peace process. One can however draw one's own conclusions.
    The truth remains that many, many senior republicans were compromised and became British intelligence agents.
    Few would argue over their influence in the ultimate capitulation of physical force republicanism, as directed by their British paymasters. Many would argue that this influence was a force for good as no doubt it saved lives. How the British intelligence service decides to use these compromised senior republicans and whether they would be used to advance British aims from within a future Irish government is a question that should concern us all.

    These are the questions that should be of most concern about Sinn Fein in government. Not anti semitism, racism, hate speech, welfare fraud or any of the other allegations being thrown at them.

    The white bearded men in the Antrim hills are really the British you reckon?

    The plot thickens....tune in next week when it will be something completely different the same old tired ****e.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The white bearded men in the Antrim hills are really the British you reckon?

    The plot thickens....tune in next week when it will be something completely different the same old tired ****e.
    Do you deny that the republican movement was heavily infiltrated by British intelligence? Do you claim to know more than the former head of IRA intelligence?

    It’s a matter of public record that compromised IRA pedophiles like Brendan Davidson and many others were recruited by British intelligence. Gerry Adams driver, bodyguard and chief aide were all long time British agents who’s role was both to provide information but more importantly to exert influence on republican leaders from within.

    Are you denying this entirely or just the extent of it?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    SafeSurfer were you in the IRA?

    You seem to know a whole lot more about them than the average SF voter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Do you deny that the republican movement was heavily infiltrated by British intelligence? Do you claim to know more than the former head of IRA intelligence?

    It’s a matter of public record that compromised IRA pedophiles like Brendan Davidson and many others were recruited by British intelligence. Gerry Adams driver, bodyguard and chief aide were all long time British agents who’s role was both to provide information but more importantly to exert influence on republican leaders from within.

    Are you denying this entirely or just the extent of it?

    The conflict is over SS. The IRA no longer exist as an operational organisation.

    I am glad about that. I wonder are you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The conflict is over SS. The IRA no longer exist as an operational organisation.

    I am glad about that. I wonder are you?

    It’s no problem if you don’t want to answer.

    I am happy to answer your question however. Yes I am glad the conflict is over.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Do you deny that the republican movement was heavily infiltrated by British intelligence? Do you claim to know more than the former head of IRA intelligence?

    It’s a matter of public record that compromised IRA pedophiles like Brendan Davidson and many others were recruited by British intelligence. Gerry Adams driver, bodyguard and chief aide were all long time British agents who’s role was both to provide information but more importantly to exert influence on republican leaders from within.

    Are you denying this entirely or just the extent of it?

    so basically the British were actually fighting themselves since they ran the IRA? How devilishly clever of them - who would have thunked it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    maccored wrote: »
    so basically the British were actually fighting themselves since they ran the IRA? How devilishly clever of them - who would have thunked it.


    Apparently so.

    And just to make it even more compelling, Maggie Thatcher decided that the IRA would totally destroy the Brighton hotel herself and most of the cabinet were staying in. Maybe that was a totally different IRA that was not completely infiltrated or controlled by the British government.

    Some people should really think through an argument before going near a keyboard.


    What the IRA has to do with the current election is totally beyond me. Almost all of the SF TD elected were'nt even born when the IRA was active so how could they possibly be responsible for anything the IRA did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    efanton wrote: »
    Apparently so.

    And just to make it even more compelling, Maggie Thatcher decided that the IRA would totally destroy the Brighton hotel herself and most of the cabinet were staying in. Maybe that was a totally different IRA that was not completely infiltrated or controlled by the British government.

    Some people should really think through an argument before going near a keyboard.


    What the IRA has to do with the current election is totally beyond me. Almost all of the SF TD elected were'nt even born when the IRA was active so how could they possibly be responsible for anything the IRA did.

    The relevance to the current election of the massive infiltration of the IRA by British intelligence. Which none of the Sinn Fein sycophants have addressed by the way. Is that these people remain compromised. We know that ex IRA senior republicans must ok decisions of Sinn Fein ministers in the north. We also know that half of these senior republicans were recruited as British agents. So the very real prospect exists of Sinn Fein ministers in the south, being directed by ex IRA members, who are themselves being directed by their British intelligence handlers.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    efanton wrote: »
    Apparently so.

    And just to make it even more compelling, Maggie Thatcher decided that the IRA would totally destroy the Brighton hotel herself and most of the cabinet were staying in. Maybe that was a totally different IRA that was not completely infiltrated or controlled by the British government.

    Some people should really think through an argument before going near a keyboard.


    What the IRA has to do with the current election is totally beyond me. Almost all of the SF TD elected were'nt even born when the IRA was active so how could they possibly be responsible for anything the IRA did.

    When you say “almost all of the SF TDs elected weren’t even born when the IRA was active”, you must realise this is completely untrue.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    efanton wrote: »
    Apparently so.

    And just to make it even more compelling, Maggie Thatcher decided that the IRA would totally destroy the Brighton hotel herself and most of the cabinet were staying in. Maybe that was a totally different IRA that was not completely infiltrated or controlled by the British government.

    Some people should really think through an argument before going near a keyboard.


    What the IRA has to do with the current election is totally beyond me. Almost all of the SF TD elected were'nt even born when the IRA was active so how could they possibly be responsible for anything the IRA did.

    What the **** is this? How many of SF's TD are 23 years of age or younger?

    I think you should stay away from your keyboard.
    Delusions, delusions everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    The relevance to the current election of the massive infiltration of the IRA by British intelligence. Which none of the Sinn Fein sycophants have addressed by the way. Is that these people remain compromised. We know that ex IRA senior republicans must ok decisions of Sinn Fein ministers in the north. We also know that half of these senior republicans were recruited as British agents. So the very real prospect exists of Sinn Fein ministers in the south, being directed by ex IRA members, who are themselves being directed by their British intelligence handlers.

    I'm sure you were equally concerned about the current Garda commissioner being an ex member of a an armed force who have been found to have colluded and complicit in many murders of members of the community, both north and south of the island.

    Let me guess though, the RUC operated completely independently and under the radar of the same British intelligence?

    FG had no such concerns - so maybe time for you to follow their leadership SS, no?

    There's no provos or brit handlers under your bed. Chill out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    The relevance to the current election of the massive infiltration of the IRA by British intelligence. Which none of the Sinn Fein sycophants have addressed by the way. Is that these people remain compromised. We know that ex IRA senior republicans must ok decisions of Sinn Fein ministers in the north. We also know that half of these senior republicans were recruited as British agents. So the very real prospect exists of Sinn Fein ministers in the south, being directed by ex IRA members, who are themselves being directed by their British intelligence handlers.
    This fantasy lacks credibility. Old IRA folk from Belfast are not relevant for the issues of today re housing and health. If this malign brit influence was evident, why are SF making a big deal about a border poll? I'm quite happy to see FFG to continue to haemorrhage support because of their IRA obsession and inability to see that the electorate have in large part moved on or the whole point of GFA.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I'm sure you were equally concerned about the current Garda commissioner being an ex minister member of a an armed force who have been found to have colluded and complicit in many murders of members of the community, both north and south of the island.

    Let me guess though, the RUC operated completely independently and under the radar of the same British intelligence?

    FG had no such concerns - so maybe time for you to follow their leadership SS, no?

    There's no provos or brit handlers under your bed. Chill out.


    You are creating strawman arguments now.

    Of course there was collusion between the British security services, RUC and loyalist paramilitaries just as the IRA and Sinn Fein, especially the higher reaches of both organisations were infiltrated by British intelligence.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    You are creating strawman arguments now.

    Of course there was collusion between the British security services, RUC and loyalist paramilitaries just as the IRA and Sinn Fein, especially the higher reaches of both organisations were infiltrated by British intelligence.

    Strawmen me Barney.

    If the Irish electorate are happy enough (and they seem to be) with an ex RUC man holding the keys to the park, and move the hell along, bit hypocritical to complain about the shinners.

    You want your cake and to be left alone to eat it, there's inconsistencies in your argument though.

    No harm pointing it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Hmmmm first they're directed by a defunct paramilitary wing, now they're directed by shadowy forces in Whitehall.

    We're firmly in the realms of the conspiracy theory now.

    FWIW, there was disquiet about Harris' appointment as Garda chief in Defense Forces circles. He presumably had the highest security clearance and worked cheek by jowl with MI5.

    The above doesn't bother terribly much btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Hmmmm first they're directed by a defunct paramilitary wing, now they're directed by shadowy forces in Whitehall.

    We're firmly in the realms of the conspiracy theory now.

    FWIW, there was disquiet about Harris' appointment as Garda chief in Defense Forces circles. He presumably had the highest security clearance and worked cheek by jowl with MI5.

    The above doesn't bother terribly much btw.

    If the argument by yourself and Mc Murphy is, “ah sure Drew Harris worked with British intelligence too, great bunch of lads, be grand”.

    You are entirely missing the point.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    If the argument by yourself and Mc Murphy is, “ah sure Drew Harris worked with British intelligence too, great bunch of lads, be grand”.

    You are entirely missing the point.

    If there is evidence of SF being directed by MI5 assets at the moment I'll listen. Otherwise, such posts belong firmly in the conspiracy theory forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yurt! wrote: »
    If there is evidence of SF being directed by MI5 assets at the moment I'll listen. Otherwise, such posts belong firmly in the conspiracy theory forum.

    Wait there while I get the current secret British intelligence documents.

    When do agents stop being compromised?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Wait there while I get the current secret British intelligence documents.

    When do agents stop being compromised?

    Well there we have it. We don't have compelling evidence than SF are directed by members of a moribund army council, much less evidence of those same said members are comprised by MI5.

    We may as well be saying Ruth Coppinger is a KGB agent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Well there we have it. We don't have compelling evidence than SF are directed by members of a moribund army council, much less evidence of those same said members are comprised by MI5.

    We may as well be saying Ruth Coppinger is a KGB agent.


    No members of people before profit have been revealed to have been agents of Russian intelligence whereas many members of Sinn Fein, in senior positions of influence, have been revealed to have been British intelligence agents for many years.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What are the British infiltrators going to do anyhow?

    Get Shinners to suggest having state commemorations for their armed wings and sanitise what they did here or something??

    Sure that would never happen would it? :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What are the British infiltrators going to do anyhow?

    Get Shinners to suggest having state commemorations for their armed wings and sanitise what they did here or something??

    Sure that would never happen would it? :eek:

    Your making progress by accepting the heavy infiltration of the IRA and Sinn Fein by British intelligence.

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