Caroline Flack found dead

SusieBlue · 19-02-2020 08:41PM

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Apparently the biggest reason she wanted the court case to be stopped was that the footage from the Police's bodycam when they arrived at the scene was going to be shown at the trial and it showed her in a very bad light.

This attempt by her management team and celebrity friends to try and white wash her attack is terrible.

She commited an act of violence against her boyfriend. She smashed him with a lamp whilst he slept. The Police arrived and arrested her. The CPS had viewed the evidence including the Bodycam footage and have deemed it serious enough for her to go to trial.

The message they are trying to put that vulnerable people shouldn't face prosecution is a very dangerous one. Domestic Violence is a massive problem in the UK.

By trying to excuse what she did is only going to make the situation worse.

But no one excused her?
She was being prosecuted despite her bf not wanting to press charges, she lost her job, her career & reputation were in tatters, she lost all public support and she got annihilated by the media.

The accusations and charges against her were taken seriously across the board, I genuinely can’t see what anyone could have done to take this any more serious than what they did.
I don’t know why people keep saying she got away with it when she literally lost everything she held dear because of what she did.
Her life was basically ruined because of it.

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 08:41PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Your post above claims that you remembered it was widely reported as being Caroline's blood. You are wrong. It was only after Lewis spoke out the media mentioned it could be her blood. You did a quick google and tried to rewrite history with it.

Yes which was one day after the original article. It has been widely reported since the 2nd of January that it was apparently Caroline’s blood. I said this in response to someone who claimed the public have been duped and manipulated into believing otherwise, and that the “facts” were not reported accurately. That is false.
It’s pretty simple.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-02-2020 08:49PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I agree it shouldn’t have been up for discussion, I’ve literally made this point at least four times now. I disagree people were left to fill in the blanks and the public were manipulated. I’ve known for some time now that Lewis was claiming this was not his blood and I don’t remember feeling duped by this revelation.

And I’m not shutting down discussion, I’m saying we are going back and forth and around in circles and saying absolutely nothing new in the process. So this is pointless and futile. You may continue with someone else if you wish.

The public were manipulated. Youve been manipulated to the point you think it might be his blood. You dont 100% accept, despite Lewis and Caroline saying its her blood. Why is it even a question? Because the media painted it that way.

Again, I say, this is the hounding she got and it served no purpose and added to the distress both were going through. Lewis, who was the one who endured what happened that night seened particularly distressed and asked for it all to stop.

No canonising. No banning of reporting, just not this muck

Hammer89 · 19-02-2020 08:51PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Any blow to the head can be very serious, people trivializing it because they don't see rivers of blood comng out of him need to have a word with themselves.

The public were made to believe that rivers of blood came out of him, and the more gruesome the crime, the higher the shock factor, which enhances the condemnation.

A lot of people condemning Caroline Flack aren't simply condemning for her assaulting her boyfriend, in the same way that the man who murdered Keane Mulready-Woods isn't just being condemned for the murder. In both cases it's the details which enhance the level of disgust and if the details have been sensationalised and manipulated in this instance, which they have, it means that the very foundations of their disdain for Caroline Flack are very shakey.

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 08:54PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

The public were manipulated. Youve been manipulated to the point you think it might be his blood. You dont 100% accept, despite Lewis and Caroline saying its her blood. Why is it even a question? Because the media painted it that way.

Again, I say, this is the hounding she got and it served no purpose and added to the distress both were going through. Lewis, who was the one who endured what happened that night seened particularly distressed and asked for it all to stop.

No canonising. No banning of reporting, just not this muck

I’m not being manipulated. I’m keeping an open mind because none of us know whose blood it was. And that is the truth. Why would I 100% accept his version? He also said he was never hit.

I actually feel like I’m going insane by repetition, and I’m not sure if there are comprehension issues at play here but I don’t think I can make my points any clearer.

ToddDameron · 19-02-2020 08:57PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

The public were made to believe that rivers of blood came out of him, and the more gruesome the crime, the higher the shock factor, which enhances the condemnation.

A lot of people condemning Caroline Flack aren't simply condemning for her assaulting her boyfriend, in the same way that the man who murdered Keane Mulready-Woods isn't just being condemned for the murder. In both cases it's the details which enhance the level of disgust and if the details have been sensationalised and manipulated in this instance, which they have, it means that the very foundations of their disdain for Caroline Flack are very shakey.

Nobody here changed their opinion once you posted that picture and deliberately tried to frame it as a minor incident. I have still the same amount of disdain for domestic violence as before you posted the picture, it changes nothing in the grand scheme of what happened.

Again, you're equating blood loss to severity. Which is beyond naive. Ever get a nose bleed? Ridiculous to say it was the sight of blood that outraged people.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-02-2020 09:00PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes which was one day after the original article. It has been widely reported since the 2nd of January that it was apparently Caroline’s blood. I said this in response to someone who claimed the public have been duped and manipulated into believing otherwise, and that the “facts” were not reported accurately. That is false.
It’s pretty simple.

It wasnt one day later! Where did you get that from? The picture was published by the Sun not long after the court appearance.

Galwayguy35 · 19-02-2020 09:00PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

The public were made to believe that rivers of blood came out of him, and the more gruesome the crime, the higher the shock factor, which enhances the condemnation.

A lot of people condemning Caroline Flack aren't simply condemning for her assaulting her boyfriend, in the same way that the man who murdered Keane Mulready-Woods isn't just being condemned for the murder. In both cases it's the details which enhance the level of disgust and if the details have been sensationalised and manipulated in this instance, which they have, it means that the very foundations of their disdain for Caroline Flack are very shakey.

Bit of an odd comparison there.

In my first post in this thread I said it was sad that she took her own life but to be honest I couldn't care less if criminals like Woods kill each other they are no loss to society.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-02-2020 09:01PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m not being manipulated. I’m keeping an open mind because none of us know whose blood it was. And that is the truth. Why would I 100% accept his version? He also said he was never hit.

I actually feel like I’m going insane by repetition, and I’m not sure if there are comprehension issues at play here but I don’t think I can make my points any clearer.

Because youve completely missed the point.

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 09:05PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

It wasnt one day later! Where did you get that from? The picture was published by the Sun not long after the court appearance.

See dates.

Hammer89 · 19-02-2020 09:06PM

ToddDameron wrote: »

Nobody here changed their opinion once you posted that picture and deliberately tried to frame it as a minor incident. I have still the same amount of disdain for domestic violence as before you posted the picture, it changes nothing in the grand scheme of what happened.

Again, you're equating blood loss to severity. Which is beyond naive. Ever get a nose bleed? Ridiculous to say it was the sight of blood that outraged people.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the sight of blood all over her bedroom didn't reinforce Caroline Flack's status as a public enemy and contribute to her image as a villain. You don't speak for everybody Britain and Ireland.

Tork · 19-02-2020 09:12PM

Leaving aside the tragedy of Caroline Flack's suicide, it's a real shame this didn't go to trial. It might have cleared up some of the questions and uncertainties around this. I'm instinctively sceptical of what her family and her boyfriend have to say because they've all got their own agendas. The same applies to the red tops and all her famous friends who are now crawling out of the woodwork. We still don't know why Lewis Burton dialled 999 and allegedly said "She tried to kill me mate" or why the prosecutor said he had sustained a significant head injury. Did she, or did she not hit him with a lamp? Why was this incident deemed serious enough to ban the pair of them from making contact, even though he was now a hostile witness? What was on that police bodycam footage?

There is only one person alive now who knows exactly what happened that night. And is he to be trusted? If it wasn't for Lewis Burton hooking up with Caroline Flack, he'd be a nobody. Something the likes of those Love Island people fear the most. If it is him who released that picture of his scalp, it's doing him no good. He'll be seen as the gutless drama queen who called 999 over nothing. So which is it? Is he a victim of domestic violence, the boy who cried wolf or a person cynically trying to control the narrative?

ToddDameron · 19-02-2020 09:13PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the sight of blood all over her bedroom didn't reinforce Caroline Flack's status as a public enemy and contribute to her image as a villain. You don't speak for everybody Britain and Ireland.

I think it is was the idea that she would break a lamp over a defenceless, sleeping man's head that did that.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-02-2020 09:17PM

retro:electro wrote: »

See dates.

Ok I'll give them that. I thought it had been around longer.

Abba987 · 19-02-2020 09:19PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

But no one excused her?
She was being prosecuted despite her bf not wanting to press charges, she lost her job, her career & reputation were in tatters, she lost all public support and she got annihilated by the media.

The accusations and charges against her were taken seriously across the board, I genuinely can’t see what anyone could have done to take this any more serious than what they did.
I don’t know why people keep saying she got away with it when she literally lost everything she held dear because of what she did.
Her life was basically ruined because of it.

I dont think they mean the pending prosecution. Since she died there is nothing but posts from the z listers about how she was a beautiful soul and kindest heart and so on. This is the excusing of what she did that i would be concerned about. Its very sad that she has taken her life. But it doesnt excuse hitting a defenceless person in the head with a lamp.

If the accused was a man who hit a sleeping woman with a lamp these same celebrities would not want to be associated with him at all dead or not.

I just feel the way she is being portrayed now as the innocent victim in all this is wrong.

Hammer89 · 19-02-2020 09:22PM

ToddDameron wrote: »

I think it is was the idea that she would break a lamp over a defenceless, sleeping man's head that did that.

See, you don't know if the lamp broke do you, but it sounds worse and conjures up a more violent image. Somebody said he got smashed over the head with it in the previous page. And somebody many pages ago said he had his head caved in by the lamp. I'm not being pedantic or petty. Language matters.

tillyfilly · 19-02-2020 09:23PM

retro:electro wrote: »

See dates.

I think she was innocent

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 09:26PM

tillyfilly wrote: »

I think she was innocent

And you’re well entitled to that belief.

abff · 19-02-2020 09:29PM

Lots of speculation here. The one thing we do know for sure is that she took her own life, for reasons that we may never know.

Personally, I find that very sad and I would hope that most decent minded people would feel the same way. But maybe I’m being naive in saying that?

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 09:30PM

abff wrote: »

Lots of speculation here. The one thing we do know for sure is that she took her own life, for reasons that we may never know.

Personally, I find that very sad and I would hope that most decent minded people would feel the same way. But maybe I’m being naive in saying that?

I don’t think you’ll find anyone disputing the fact that it’s desperately sad that she took her own life.

ToddDameron · 19-02-2020 09:32PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

See, you don't know if the lamp broke do you, but it sounds worse and conjures up a more violent image. Somebody said he got smashed over the head with it in the previous page. And somebody many pages ago said he had his head caved in by the lamp. I'm not being pedantic or petty. Language matters.

For certain? Of course not. I do know the prosecutor said in court that they were both covered in blood and police likened the scene to a horror movie. But keep going on about the Sun (which most reasonable people don't take seriously) if you like. I'm inclined to trust the Police's version for now.

abff · 19-02-2020 09:33PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t think you’ll find anyone disputing the fact that it’s desperately sad that she took her own life.

I wish that was true. But if you look through the thread, you won’t necessarily find a lot of posts that confirm it.

retro:electro · 19-02-2020 09:35PM

abff wrote: »

I wish that was true. But if you look through the thread, you won’t necessarily find a lot of posts that confirm it.

Maybe. But for the most part I think people would agree that it’s a tragic loss of life.

Galwayguy35 · 19-02-2020 09:37PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

See, you don't know if the lamp broke do you, but it sounds worse and conjures up a more violent image. Somebody said he got smashed over the head with it in the previous page. And somebody many pages ago said he had his head caved in by the lamp. I'm not being pedantic or petty. Language matters.

I don't think it makes it any less serious if the lamp broke or not, do you?

Wombatman · 19-02-2020 09:39PM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

It's never acceptable to hit anyone. How any poster can put a 'level' on the injury inflict is beyond me.

The Pope seems to have gotten away with it, the little scamp.

Hannibal_Smith · 19-02-2020 09:44PM

abff wrote: »

Lots of speculation here. The one thing we do know for sure is that she took her own life, for reasons that we may never know.

Personally, I find that very sad and I would hope that most decent minded people would feel the same way. But maybe I’m being naive in saying that?

Its horribly sad. The part about burying stresses resonates with a lot of us I'm sure. I really hope people who need help speak to some one. Suicide is a full stop. Everything else you can come back from.

Hammer89 · 19-02-2020 09:44PM

ToddDameron wrote: »

For certain? Of course not. I do know the prosecutor said in court that they were both covered in blood and police likened the scene to a horror movie.

The interesting thing here is that you said it was 'ridiculous' to think the sight of her bedroom covered in blood could influence anybody in their outrage. And yet you've referenced the horror movie element, which is BASED on the fact the bedroom was covered in blood. You've been influenced by the same thing you said you wouldn't have been influenced by.

ToddDameron · 19-02-2020 09:47PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

The interesting thing here is that you said it was 'ridiculous' to think the sight of her bedroom covered in blood could influence anybody in their outrage. And yet you've referenced the horror movie element, which is BASED on the fact the bedroom was covered in blood. You've been influenced by the same thing you said you wouldn't have been influenced by.

No, I just directly quoted the Police, who said they opened the door covered in blood. This is a factual statement made by a person first on the scene. No "join the dots" by the Sun. Read something other than the Sun, like a good lad. You don't even have the basics.

Hammer89 · 19-02-2020 09:49PM

ToddDameron wrote: »

No, I just directly quoted the Police, who said they opened the door covered in blood. Read something other than the Sun, like a good lad.

The quote from the police is nowhere near as strong without the picture to support it. The picture, which shouldn't have been released or printed in a million years, undeniably contributed to the condemnation.

borderlinemeath · 19-02-2020 09:50PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t think you’ll find anyone disputing the fact that it’s desperately sad that she took her own life.

Plenty throughout the thread have said they don't care. I recall seeing a post ending in "lol" which was in particularly poor taste but I'm not going back 90 odd pages to find it. This post yesterday contained this lovely comment struck me as rather callous though.

What I'm seeing is misery porn by idiots for idiots about an idiot who killed herself because she couldn't face dealing with the consequences of her actions

Caroline Flack found dead

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