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Caroline Flack found dead

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    dubstarr wrote: »
    A lot of the celebs giving out on Twitter are the same ones need Twitter and the Red Tops to survive.Half of them are not any way in the slightest talanted.

    So they basically are biting the hands that feed them.

    Love Island is basically porn.If you want to have sex on Telly go on Love Island or Big Brother.And you are sure to be rewarded with a job on This Morning.But you better toe the line,otherwise they will turn on you.
    Great point, I don't see how girls can criticise Babestation but obsess over Love Island when they are just as misogynistic as each other. Double standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Everyone seems to be attacking "online trolls". They are getting all sorts of abuse from Kerry Katona to Bernie Sanders to Bressie.

    I hope all the trolls out there aren't too upset by all this criticism, to the point of doing something drastic. What can be done to protect the troll?

    BTW Is a troll still a troll when they agree with you?

    #BeKindToTrolls


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    dubstarr wrote: »
    A lot of the celebs giving out on Twitter are the same ones need Twitter and the Red Tops to survive.Half of them are not any way in the slightest talanted.

    So they basically are biting the hands that feed them.

    Love Island is basically porn.If you want to have sex on Telly go on Love Island or Big Brother.And you are sure to be rewarded with a job on This Morning.But you better toe the line,otherwise they will turn on you.

    Nail.On.Head.

    I went through a difficult time a few years ago, and although my only social media is here and Facebook, I gave them up completely. I was worried about people knowing my whereabouts, judging my actions, and the effect that might have on me. Life went on, and believe me, suffering from mental illness makes you an absolute master at compartmentalising.

    Having mental health issues doesn't deplete your intelligence. Social media is not a necessary part of anyone's career. If you put yourself out there, it certainly enhances your earning power- no such thing as bad publicity. Z listers choose to share every minute detail of their lives, because it earns them more than a living. Even when it's off season for Love Island, or the X-Factor, or whatever, they're canvassing. For "normal" people, does anyone notice if you're not active on LinkedIn for a little while? Maybe for someone who's self employed, because technically their earning power is only limited by their own say so. They need to set their own boundaries- if they don't, they are considered fair game.

    It is a tragedy for Caroline's family and friends, and condolences are warranted, but the media are the divil we all know. Blaming them and CPS is a total farce, and all of the Zelebrities can f off with their accusations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Millicently


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I think the only buzzwords you missed in your post were "snowflakes" and "boomers".

    I find the level of hostility and aggression and lack of compassion in your posts to be worrying.
    Why do you care so much that some people find it upsetting that a person took their own life? Who made you the authority on the matter?

    Its quite pathetic actually that you are taking such pleasure in dehumanising and devaluing the life of a person who committed suicide. You seem almost gleeful.
    We get it, you don't give a f*ck that she's dead, you're so edgy.

    People care because suicide is an issue that has touched almost everyone, and no one should be rejoicing at the death of another. Its just pathetic.
    What I'm seeing is misery porn by idiots for idiots about an idiot who killed herself because she couldn't face dealing with the consequences of her actions. I simply cannot believe how many deluded people on this thread think that they knew the woman because she was on TV. Honestly how old are you because you sound like a teenager. I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm simply concerned about how truly vacuous so many people are. Give me strength. Christ on a bike, do any of you really think that any of the celebrities going on TV or in the press or on Social Media talking about her actually cared about her? Newsflash, they didn't and they don't it's simply another self serving self promotion opportunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They wouldn’t dare because they might actually have to get a job then, and they don’t want that.
    It only seems to be the ones at the bottom of the barrel who are crying intrusion.

    Actual celebrities seem to know how the industry works and are able to live semi private lives and go about their day without being stalked. And that’s because they actually have something to exchange in return for coverage, be that a movie, music, whatever. All the z listers have to exchange is their love lives and whatever drama they’ve got embroiled into this time — they thrive on the interest it brings and for that they’ve no one to blame but themselves. They’re the ones who bring it to the forefront.

    That's not actually true.

    Leveson Inquiry: Steve Coogan 'never played the fame game'

    The Gutter Scum only know one thing, bottom line, if the story makes them money they don't care what or who they report on.

    You just had a Royal leave the family because he was convinced (with good reason) that factions of the British press would endanger his family, specifically his wife.

    A month later a young lady of similar age is dead.

    The parallels are there, Leveson spelled them out pretty clearly, but it is like that inquiry never actually happened.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    What I'm seeing is misery porn by idiots for idiots]about an idiot who killed herself because she couldn't face dealing with the consequences of her actions.I simply cannot believe how many deluded people on this thread think that they knew the woman because she was on TV. Honestly how old are you because you sound like a teenager. I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm simply concerned about how truly vacuous so many people are. Give me strength. Christ on a bike, do any of you really think that any of the celebrities going on TV or in the press or on Social Media talking about her actually cared about her? Newsflash, they didn't and they don't it's simply another self serving self promotion opportunity.

    I literally never even defended any of that behaviour but right, ok.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Take Stephanie Davis as an example.

    She goes to events, posing to make sure she gets her exposure, sells exclusive interviews and magazine spreads to the highest bidder, documents every aspect of her life online (especially her young son), but now is calling the press and media the big bad monster.

    She, herself has used the media to be quite nasty about other people, but, like most in her profession, they like the media and exposure as long as they control the narrative.

    The press usually write about alleged criminals and their crimes.
    Should Caroline have been exempt because she was famous? Good looking? Had mental health problems?

    No she shouldnt exempt from being reported on. And no one is suggesting that. Reporting is one thing, what she got was a relentless tirade. Thats not reporting, thats hanging someone out to dry. There was nothing to report since the last court appearance. But she was still used as by tabloids to try and get clicks.

    If some one poses to make sure they get their exposure, or sells their story, does that mean anything goes? You can post what you like to them and about them? I dont agree that it does.

    If Davis has used the media to troll some one else, then what she's saying now is hypocritical. But its the trolling and media harrassment she's talking about. Not social media and newspapers in general.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    So this is what Stephanie is all about

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4865786/Stephanie-Davis-flaunts-cleavage-trolls-jibe-her.html

    Flashes her ti!s on social media after being trolled


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭statto25


    blade1 wrote: »
    I see a lot of abuse being aimed at Laura Whitmore now ( from both sides).
    So one dies, time to move onto the next one, is it?
    The people giving out then can't seem to see they are part of the problem.


    No absolutely not. I suppose what I'm saying is people have been cnuts since time began, its just that they have so many mediums in which they can now be cnuts that its nearly impossible to stop it. So if you cant stop the people we try and support the folks who are suffering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,477 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Stephanie Davis

    I think this is somebody of whom we can legitimately ask 'who?'


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    is it just me, or are people becoming EXTREMELY deluded????????


    It’s just you.

    I know I should have resisted, but I can resist anything except temptation :D

    Someone more famous for being more intelligent than I am said that once, can’t remember who now but I always found it amusing :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Harleen Quinzel


    No she shouldnt exempt from being reported on. And no one is suggesting that. Reporting is one thing, what she got was a relentless tirade. Thats not reporting, thats hanging someone out to dry. There was nothing to report since the last court appearance. But she was still used as by tabloids to try and get clicks.

    If some one poses to make sure they get their exposure, or sells their story, does that mean anything goes? You can post what you like to them and about them? I dont agree that it does.

    If Davis has used the media to troll some one else, then what she's saying now is hypocritical. But its the trolling and media harrassment she's talking about. Not social media and newspapers in general.

    My honest opinion is, if you choose to sell your life for a living, you have to accept that your life will be commented on.

    Good and bad.

    Especially if you’re accused of an alleged assault.

    I’ve stated previously that I feel deeply sorry that Caroline felt her only option was to end her life and I have every sympathy for her loved ones left behind.

    But, the press photographing you walking your dog is publicity, the same press posting about an alleged attack you were involved in is still publicity, just not the kind that’s wanted.

    The only one responsible for Caroline’s actions, alleged or otherwise, is herself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Descended into a cesspit of comments.

    Closed pending review


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    im fine darling - except for when i have to deal with braindead psychos online. apart from that, grand. yeah.

    what you are doing is goading - you're harrassing in fact.

    why arent you being more caring - given everything said in this thread.

    you and susie are hypocrites, and your opinions wont mean sh!t when people see what you have posted in this thread.

    good day

    Mod

    Do not post in this thread again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Reopening, if you can't be civil with each other, dont post.
    A number of cards have been handed out and multiple posts deleted.

    If there is a repeat of uncivil comments, it will be closed for good


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    The release of a previously unreleased Instagram post by her family only adds fuel to the Caroline Flack media fire. They really should leave well alone and let the media frenzy die down. It smacks of hypocrisy. Blaming the media on one hand and then stoking the fire on the other. No matter what Caroline Flack wrote the perception is that she was the perpetrator of domestic violence against her partner. Only a court acquittal or time may have somewhat restored her reputation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,955 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I hate the blame game people play after these kinds of story's ,

    People there family and friends are absolutely fine using the Media and social media sites to up there profile and make every penny they can from them when the going is good and there life is on the up , but someone how are shocked when you do smoothing bad that the same media also reports on it,

    Caroline made 2 big mistakes

    The first one was the "accident " with her boyfriend that in time would be forgotten about no one would care when the next celeb makes a cock up of things , A year or two down the line its all forgotten ,

    The second bigger mistake was ending her own life,

    The biggest problem I have in this whole thing is no one seems to be saying and telling young people ITS IS NOT THE ANSWER ,

    Stop printing and posting blame and start telling people the solution is never ever to take your own life, Stop trying to play the blame game and lets start making it clear the act its self is not acceptable ,

    I'm no expert but back in the day it was a taboo and you where buried in different grave yards and it was shunned upon but since mental health has become a common topic(rightly so ) we seem to have by some how made the act of suicide more acceptable , it needs to stop its not ok no matter what,

    Her family are the real victims here as they get the life sentence ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    d.png

    This was reportedly taken 'straight after' the incident. That's the 'significant head injury' that the prosecution claimed the boyfriend suffered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Lillyfae



    The second bigger mistake was ending her own life,

    The biggest problem I have in this whole thing is no one seems to be saying and telling young people ITS IS NOT THE ANSWER ,

    Stop printing and posting blame and start telling people the solution is never ever to take your own life, Stop trying to play the blame game and lets start making it clear the act its self is not acceptable ,

    I'm no expert but back in the day it was a taboo and you where buried in different grave yards and it was shunned upon but since mental health has become a common topic(rightly so ) we seem to have by some how made the act of suicide more acceptable , it needs to stop its not ok no matter what,

    Her family are the real victims here as they get the life sentence ,

    I get what you're saying but I think your articulation of it will be criticized here. What you're saying is that suicide is being glorified and might look mighty attractive to someone with the outpouring of sympathy and love for someone famous who does it, not that people who commit suicide are selfish, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,955 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I get what you're saying but I think your articulation of it will be criticized here. What you're saying is that suicide is being glorified and might look mighty attractive to someone with the outpouring of sympathy and love for someone famous who does it, not that people who commit suicide are selfish, right?

    Exactly if you notice the conversation in the media has never got to condemning the actually act ,
    I wonder have we as human actually done our kids a disfavour by somehow allowing a once shunned act become mainstream ,We just blame now and say oh look what the media made her do ,

    You don't hear anyone for fear of being turned into the villain say wait hold on a minute what she done is not a solution in fact it shouldn't even be an option ,

    A lot of suicidal people are lonely and want recognition and for many they keep seeing people who kill themselves get that out pouring of love and recognition , In some cases its almost like the person will then be remembered more fondly simply from how they went,

    Its very sad and wish we could find the answer's ,its becoming more common instead of less common ,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    My honest opinion is, if you choose to sell your life for a living, you have to accept that your life will be commented on.

    Good and bad.

    Especially if you’re accused of an alleged assault.

    I’ve stated previously that I feel deeply sorry that Caroline felt her only option was to end her life and I have every sympathy for her loved ones left behind.

    But, the press photographing you walking your dog is publicity, the same press posting about an alleged attack you were involved in is still publicity, just not the kind that’s wanted.

    The only one responsible for Caroline’s actions, alleged or otherwise, is herself.

    Perfectly put. The z listers who are now crying about intrusion should have a long hard look at themselves and how they’ve contributed to the standards of the industry they are now shaming.
    They made their private lives and string of failed relationships their currency, nobody else. Look at Taylor Swift, she’s in a relationship for a few years and there’s only ever been a handful of photos of herself and her boyfriend. Compare that to her previous relationships when she obviously courted attention. Anna Kournikova who recently gave birth managed to keep her whole pregnancy under wraps until after she’d had her baby. Kim Murray, the wife of Andy Murray leads a perfectly private life and manages to say out of the rags. We don’t even know the names of their children.

    It’s easily done when you don’t offer up your private life for public consumption. If they don’t like it then they could always put their instagrams on private or get a job in Tesco.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    d.png

    This was reportedly taken 'straight after' the incident. That's the 'significant head injury' that the prosecution claimed the boyfriend suffered.

    Looks pretty nasty to me. That’s a deep gash. And adds weight to the fact she hit him while he was laying down, since she’s pretty tiny and wouldn’t be able to reach there. Why are you trivialising it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    d.png

    This was reportedly taken 'straight after' the incident. That's the 'significant head injury' that the prosecution claimed the boyfriend suffered.

    My goodness....she was well and truly stitched up the press coverage :mad: Anyone reading the tabloids would think she had launched a frenzied and violent attack on him leaving him in a terrible condition and needing to be rushed to A & E.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    I've had bigger cuts shaving


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    Looks pretty nasty to me. That’s a deep gash. And adds weight to the fact she hit him while he was laying down, since she’s pretty tiny and wouldn’t be able to reach there. Why are you trivialising it?

    It's OK to hit someone as long as you don't do visible damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Looks pretty nasty to me.

    Of course it does. I could've told you your own reaction to the picture before I posted it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    It's never acceptable to hit anyone. How any poster can put a 'level' on the injury inflict is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,536 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Strazdas wrote: »
    My goodness....she was well and truly stitched up the press coverage :mad: Anyone reading the tabloids would think she had launched a frenzied and violent attack on him leaving him in a terrible condition and needing to be rushed to A & E.

    Well he was terrified on the 911 call. But sure Caroline’s sound and a woman so we’ll give her a pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Strazdas wrote: »
    My goodness....she was well and truly stitched up the press coverage :mad: Anyone reading the tabloids would think she had launched a frenzied and violent attack on him leaving him in a terrible condition and needing to be rushed to A & E.

    Do you have some sort of chart to indicate what in the scale of violence is acceptable or not?

    Would you say the same if it was him doing that to her?

    The police said there was lots of blood and their body cameras have it captured as well as her confession and they had to restrain her. I guess she didn't like that she was going to be completely found out once it went to court.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Looks pretty nasty to me. That’s a deep gash. And adds weight to the fact she hit him while he was laying down, since she’s pretty tiny and wouldn’t be able to reach there. Why are you trivialising it?

    There's no blood on his hair! If that was taken shortly after the incident, it was a very minor nick to his scalp that barely drew blood at all.


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